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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51717 Posts
March 29 2022 10:24 GMT
#21
eh nobody is right all the time, nothing to apologize for
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51717 Posts
March 29 2022 10:25 GMT
#22
Poll: Recommend Rain vs Soulkey Set 1?

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Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-29 10:29:29
March 29 2022 10:28 GMT
#23
I'm not saying I know better than Rain by the way.... maybe he thought soulkey would 12 pool or overpool. It's just what I thought about the map and the game. 12 pool was a possible opener. The early gates wouldve crushed the 12 pool and preformed well against the over pool(larvae wouldve been delayed). Just want to be clear...I was just calculating risks.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-29 10:34:57
March 29 2022 10:31 GMT
#24
This is a hard map to get a third base. I think Rain will go gateway with zealot drip into a massive gate count on 2 base.
My bad...i missed he scouted after pylon. The second part is true though. Rain will need to get a lot of offense on 2 base.
The cannon timing is not ideal. If you look at Mini's successful games he delays the first cannon. Rain didn't do it. Really slow growth for rain and the hydras are coming. Rain should be very scared about everything. It's such a hard spot. Obviously we can see everything but Rain has no idea if it's Muta/scourge or hydra bust.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-29 10:37:04
March 29 2022 10:35 GMT
#25
HE SEES THE HYRDA! GET 4 CANNONS ASAP. He needs 5 cannons to be safe. It's not a good spot but he needs them.
Needs to rebuild the forge and get armor...it will be a tough spot.
This is a nightmare situation for Rain to be honest... but he can do it.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-29 10:42:31
March 29 2022 10:38 GMT
#26
I Don't think the shuttle will do anything...I absolutely think Soulkey will make like 4 mutas or something with a couple pairs of scourge.
This is a terrible position for Rain
It's a nightmare to get the third base for Rain.
Great counter with zealots on the far top right to deny a base. But it doesn't really matter if rain can't get a solid third.
Rain does start a mineral only but he really needs a third gas.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-29 10:46:14
March 29 2022 10:43 GMT
#27
OMG HE SHREDDED THOSE MUTAS! THAT WAS HUGE!
OMG AGAIN RAIN SHOWING HIS MIDGAME SKILL!
Rain doing everything he needed to do. Amazing skills.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
March 29 2022 10:46 GMT
#28
ok rain went god mode this game
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oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1268 Posts
March 29 2022 10:47 GMT
#29
Damn, this is why I missed rain. Perfect strat for this map.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-29 10:48:45
March 29 2022 10:47 GMT
#30
I seriously don't understand how Rain won that game like that Him shredding the mutas so easily was a big part of it.
His midgame play is so great. He just needs to lean on that. If he can set himself up for a solid midgame he will take the series. Much easier said than done.
Zariel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1312 Posts
March 29 2022 10:48 GMT
#31
That lone zealot deserves a medal for taking down the forth base himself
sup
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51717 Posts
March 29 2022 10:48 GMT
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
March 29 2022 10:48 GMT
#33
that one zealot hitting the hatch for like 2 minutes lol
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Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-29 10:51:48
March 29 2022 10:48 GMT
#34
LOL play by Soulkey "ok lets pretend pvz is balance" lets play randomly throwing the army away after a clear lead .... sometime i really doubt the intention of the players ..

Edit: Ohhh and i fotgot the wonderfull mutas sacrifice ... sent in the middle of a goon templar army. Not even a D+ player could do worse than that.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 29 2022 10:49 GMT
#35
On March 29 2022 19:48 Zariel wrote:
That lone zealot deserves a medal for taking down the forth base himself

Yea lol that zealot was insane.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
March 29 2022 10:50 GMT
#36
On March 29 2022 19:48 Xeln4g4 wrote:
LOL play by Soulkey "ok lets pretend pvz is balance" lets play randomly throwing the army away after a clear lead .... sometime i really doubt the intention of the players ...

It's really hard man when you're doing 10 things at once but yes...in this instance Soulkey was not microing his hydra groups well especially versus the storms.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
March 29 2022 10:51 GMT
#37
intotherain showing a new chug style!
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Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-29 10:57:07
March 29 2022 10:53 GMT
#38
Rain needs to gate expand and show those skills imo. Soulkey will over pool imo. I'm not a good player these days but I've watched a lot of games. Forcing lings from an over pool and then going into a gate expand will be huge for him. Forcing the lings from over pool while getting a safe gateway nexus is the best way to play this map imo.
If he does forge expand that's fine but with the quick scouting i think Soulkey will expand and drone too rapidly.
It will be a harder game for Rain.
However if Soulkey goes for a 12 hatch it will be tricky for Rain and pretty even based on how greedy Rain plays.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3414 Posts
March 29 2022 10:56 GMT
#39
Rain should learn his lesson now: no need to copy Mini, you are also an ASL champion.
To think he could have 3-0 Soulkey if he didn't throw away the first game on THE Protoss map with that cheese.
Soulforged
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Latvia984 Posts
March 29 2022 10:56 GMT
#40
Initial hydra pressure set Rain behind quite a bit as he went hard tech and Soulkey was able to drone up as much as he wanted.

Harass of dts/ht did enough, even if not enough drone kills it forced a lot of pulls were made and those are expensive.
Mutas did not pay off, in comparison. They forced couple extra cannons and killed one templar. They did not prevent zealots from denying top right and didn't kill them either, the poke of goons to the nat has kept mutas busy.

Those 2 things brought the game to even, with Rain having some 20 supply lead instead of equal supply in the early midgame.

Even game state = bad attack by soulkey was a throw.
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