On March 29 2022 19:56 TMNT wrote:
Rain should learn his lesson now: no need to copy Mini, you are also an ASL champion.
To think he could have 3-0 Soulkey if he didn't throw away the first game on THE Protoss map with that cheese.

True that...I really wanted him to nexus into forge

Sirris

681 Posts

March 29 2022 10:59 GMT

#42

PLEASE DONT CANNON RUSH! THANK YOU GOD lol

Sirris

681 Posts

March 29 2022 11:00 GMT

#43

Whoa did not expect this. Double probe cannon rush....I don't like it Rain. You have amazing mid game PvZ skills

Don't risk this too hard. Just light harassment please...
FFS he did overpool....
WHY DIDNT YOU GATEWAY FIRST!
Just a terrible opener for Rain...like I said before Rain needs to win the opener and he failed massively. He's behind for sure. He might come back not saying the game is done, but it's a bad game for him so far.

TMNT

2723 Posts

March 29 2022 11:02 GMT

#44

Never mind he tried to cheese again LOL maybe his wrist is not in good condition

Sirris

681 Posts

March 29 2022 11:04 GMT

#45

On March 29 2022 20:02 TMNT wrote:
Never mind he tried to cheese again LOL maybe his wrist is not in good condition

I don't think his wrist is bad..was a bad gamble...but i really wish he would've just played towards a strong mid game.

Sirris

681 Posts

March 29 2022 11:05 GMT

#46

Soulkey is fine...Rain needed to double stargate imo.
I can't see Rain winning this game against someone like Soulkey. Mini in his championship run immediately saw the muta switch and got a second stargate instantly to counter.
That being said that hidden templar was great!

Soulforged

Latvia918 Posts

March 29 2022 11:07 GMT

#47

Muta scourge openers are so hard to deal with when you didn't open 2 stargate :|
You lose 1-2 sairs and you have no tempo for good 3 minutes...

Sirris

681 Posts

March 29 2022 11:08 GMT

#48

Denying the 4th was huge but I think soulkey can come back and take it....it's so damn hard for Rain right now.
This is a dire position for Rain. He has some options though. With the mutas and lurkers in play I can't see Rain winning this game.

BLinD-RawR

ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts

March 29 2022 11:09 GMT

#49

Rain is pretty boned right now.

Sirris

681 Posts

March 29 2022 11:10 GMT

#50

Rain absolutely needs to destroy a base RIGHT NOW but I don't think he can. It's lost.
It's done....the tempo from soulkey is winning. Rain can only stumple to a third at best.

Sirris

681 Posts

March 29 2022 11:11 GMT

#51

It's done now....
Like I said...Rain needs to get a lead in the beggining.

emperorchampion

Canada9496 Posts

March 29 2022 11:11 GMT

#52

that's nasty pushing with the hydras and sniping the templars with mutas

Sirris

681 Posts

March 29 2022 11:13 GMT

#53

I don't understand Rain's mindset. He can use builds that gain an advantage. But he must think theyll be countered.
This is Rain's champion test. He needs to come up with something special here. He can't play a basic game, the map is very hard for him. He needs to be something GREAT. Do it Rain

Sirris

681 Posts

March 29 2022 11:18 GMT

#54

I could see soulkey 4 pooling here...
i'd take the risk for Rain and 12 nexus 12 forge.
You're not hurting me Scan. I hate the way he played those games

Soulforged

Latvia918 Posts

March 29 2022 11:19 GMT

#55

Early game didn't matter period, what went wrong was he lost 2 sairs in the first attack(and did not order 5th sair for a long time).
He made 4 cannons to defend because of that(+2 in main and nat each), while Soulkey made no more muta and droned for a while. That's it, after then he was very behind and had no timing.
He'd have a shot to make it to lategame defensively, but losing templars to mutas sealed it.

Sirris

681 Posts

March 29 2022 11:20 GMT

#56

On March 29 2022 20:19 Soulforged wrote:
Early game didn't matter period, what went wrong was he lost 2 sairs in the first attack and he made 4 cannons to defend because of that, while Soulkey made no more muta and droned for a while. That's it, after then he was very behind and had no timing.
He'd have a shot to make it to lategame defensively, but losing templars to mutas sealed it.

If you don't think the early game mattered "at all" then you don't understand broodwar

Sorry to say man. The early game always matters...a lot. The situation wouldn't have been like that if the early game went Rain's way.

Sirris

681 Posts

March 29 2022 11:21 GMT

#57

12 NEXUS DO IT!
Yes.
12 nexus into 12 gateway...full mini mode.

Soulforged

Latvia918 Posts

March 29 2022 11:22 GMT

#58

Early game could result in there being 1-2 less zealots in that attack. It could be a contributing factor to the 5th sair not being ordered.
That 2nd probe wasn't so bad because it forced 4 lings and the 2nd hatch was delayed for the zerg as well, you're reading too much into the opener.
Like, he wasn't ahead after it obviously, but he wasn't significantly behind until after he lost sairs and made 4 unnecessary cannons.

TMNT

2723 Posts

March 29 2022 11:23 GMT

#59

On March 29 2022 20:11 Sirris wrote:
It's done now....
Like I said...Rain needs to get a lead in the beggining.

Well isn't it the case for Protoss in all PvZ anyway? If you don't get a lead somehow in the early, you'll get run over by Zerg.

I saw a lot of Bisu vs Soulkey practice games before this. And Bisu is probably the best with early Zealot aggression, but Soulkey dealt with it like it was nothing. Maybe that's the reason Rain opts for those weird builds.

Sirris

681 Posts

March 29 2022 11:24 GMT

#60

On March 29 2022 20:22 Soulforged wrote:
Early game could result in there being 1-2 less zealots in that attack. It could be a contributing factor to the 5th sair not being ordered.
That 2nd probe wasn't so bad because it forced 4 lings and the 2nd hatch was delayed for the zerg as well, you're reading too much into the opener.

Alright man...it's too much to debate

If you say so. I'm talking about gateway first into fast nexus against the build soulkey played. The build I called for Rain. After that it's so complicated.