• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 09:39
CET 15:39
KST 23:39
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)15Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1830
StarCraft 2
General
Custom Embroidered Patches | High-Quality & Person Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets When will we find out if there are more tournament
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates BW General Discussion A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone Potential ASL qualifier breakthroughs?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 SLON Grand Finals – Season 2
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Mechabellum Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Physical Exercise (HIIT) Bef…
TrAiDoS
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2269 users

[ASL12] Grand Finals - Page 11

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 9 10 11 All
Recommended Games
+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler [Set 1] +
Good timing from the winner

+ Show Spoiler [Set 2] +
Yes, some close calls and throws but fun nonetheless

+ Show Spoiler [Set 3] +
yes, you'll know when you see it.

+ Show Spoiler [Set 4] +
useful skill toi have

+ Show Spoiler [Set 5] +
when scouting goes good, it shows

+ Show Spoiler [Set 6] +
Slow moving car crash

+ Show Spoiler [Set 7] +
Useful skill toi have[2]

Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden310 Posts
November 12 2021 07:56 GMT
#201
On November 12 2021 07:27 psyCrowe wrote:
This isn't working on YT any more? Trying my damndest to avoid spoilers here. Have been watching over past few days and am on G4 but Youtube saying ' This video is unavailable on this device' ???


Which version are you watching?

The Tastosis cast works fine for me.
nah
nyoken
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States102 Posts
November 12 2021 09:02 GMT
#202
On November 12 2021 07:27 psyCrowe wrote:
This isn't working on YT any more? Trying my damndest to avoid spoilers here. Have been watching over past few days and am on G4 but Youtube saying ' This video is unavailable on this device' ???


Cruiser contacted Youtube and it should be working now
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden310 Posts
November 13 2021 13:31 GMT
#203
On November 12 2021 18:02 nyoken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2021 07:27 psyCrowe wrote:
This isn't working on YT any more? Trying my damndest to avoid spoilers here. Have been watching over past few days and am on G4 but Youtube saying 'This video is unavailable on this device' ???


Cruiser contacted Youtube and it should be working now


I have the same issues now, I also get "This video is unavailable on this device" when I try and watch it.

nah
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-13 15:26:49
November 13 2021 15:23 GMT
#204
On November 12 2021 18:02 nyoken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2021 07:27 psyCrowe wrote:
This isn't working on YT any more? Trying my damndest to avoid spoilers here. Have been watching over past few days and am on G4 but Youtube saying ' This video is unavailable on this device' ???


Cruiser contacted Youtube and it should be working now


The video is working now. I just watched your cast with Scan on Afreeca and I loved it so much! Thank you very much for you time and effort. As I am a noob, you guys bring my level of understanding and therefore enjoyment of the games to a next level!

On November 12 2021 06:45 Barneyk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2021 22:57 RKC wrote:
Out of curiosity, how exactly does Flash counter 2-base carrier play? What does he do differently or better than other Terrans?


I think people in this thread isn't giving enough credit to Minis early game here. How he cuts corners very well, like skipping goon range, and puts on soft pressure and scouts very well with excellent probe micro to stay alive as long as possible.

It seemed to me that Mini was doing better overall in the small micro-engagements, Rush had a few moments of great success but overall Mini did better.

In game 1 he does a very awkward zealot heavy ground army that Rush didn't expect after having a really good opener and being in control.

The perfect counter to the dropship play in game 2 was amazing, he knows Rush likes to go for it so he countered it. He lost the game by underestimating the defense and doing a poor attack.

In game 3 the way he scouted with an empty shuttle and went for scouts when he saw the 5 fact won him the game, Rush would've busted him if he hadn't done that.

Overall I felt like Rush was a bit to passive on several occasions and Mini usually won the mind game, like with the very late gas steal.

But Rush playing so safe is what won him game 2, 5 and 6. He punished Mini hard when Mini was cheesy or overaggressive.

But to passive when Mini played greedy and got his machine rolling.

And I mean, there is so much more to these games, I thought they were amazing and both played very well.

But Mini was definitely the more deserving winner, there was a lot of special flair and preparation to his play here while Rush played a bit to standard.

It really could've been a 4-0 if Mini didn't throw that 2nd game with that poor attack.

Also, someone that knows this better, to me it seemed a bit like Rush microd his Goliaths wrong in some engagements, when the carriers where on top of the goliaths they were still shooting down interceptors, isn't it better to target down the carriers then? There were so many goliaths it wouldn't take many volleys to bring a carrier down? But I felt like the carriers stayed alive forever, so after the fight Mini is out of interceptors and Rush is out of Goliaths.

Sure, if often times the carriers are not in range to be attacked effectively, but even when they were it seemed like Rush didn't target them as much as he should've.

Or is it something I don't know about Carrier vs. Goliath fights to explain it?

Thank you for your input. I play zerg but I've been so impressed with Mini creativity. I'm very happy for him.
Please send me a PM of any song you like that I most probably never heard of! I am looking for people to chat about writing and producing music | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noD-bsOcxuU |
Holint_Casazr
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Germany72 Posts
November 13 2021 22:14 GMT
#205
StarCast VoD on YT is still messed up for me, but their Afreeca VoD worked fine - thanks for a great season of casts and what a nice final to end with. Would have liked rush to win but Mini really deserved a titel finally.

Legend of the Fall I guess! Though can't beat that first JangBi OSL season when it comes to that (that was 10 years ago now, wow).
nyoken
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States102 Posts
November 14 2021 03:18 GMT
#206
On November 14 2021 07:14 Holint_Casazr wrote:
StarCast VoD on YT is still messed up for me, but their Afreeca VoD worked fine - thanks for a great season of casts and what a nice final to end with. Would have liked rush to win but Mini really deserved a titel finally.

Legend of the Fall I guess! Though can't beat that first JangBi OSL season when it comes to that (that was 10 years ago now, wow).

Also not working for me now. I let Cruiser know
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
November 14 2021 10:07 GMT
#207
What's with Rush doing these late scouts against Protoss on 4 player maps, yes you're good TvP but that is never a good idea. Protoss can get away with so much if you scout them late.
ajmbek
Profile Joined November 2008
Italy460 Posts
November 15 2021 15:19 GMT
#208
Really nice games. Mini show. Bought when he won and lost, he dictated the tempo of the game and how it will unfold.
Sic iter ad astra
moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1546 Posts
November 16 2021 17:01 GMT
#209
On November 14 2021 12:18 nyoken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2021 07:14 Holint_Casazr wrote:
StarCast VoD on YT is still messed up for me, but their Afreeca VoD worked fine - thanks for a great season of casts and what a nice final to end with. Would have liked rush to win but Mini really deserved a titel finally.

Legend of the Fall I guess! Though can't beat that first JangBi OSL season when it comes to that (that was 10 years ago now, wow).

Also not working for me now. I let Cruiser know

Still not working I'm afraid.
If in doubt, differentiate and set equal to zero
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden310 Posts
November 27 2021 21:32 GMT
#210
The video is working well now!

I was curious to see some of Nyokens and Scans comments and analysis but I gave up when it wasn't working for so long, but now it does!
nah
Zeronova
Profile Joined September 2020
54 Posts
December 03 2021 04:59 GMT
#211
On November 10 2021 22:57 RKC wrote:
Out of curiosity, how exactly does Flash counter 2-base carrier play? What does he do differently or better than other Terrans?


Multi layered question here.

First of all, Flash never just "lets" a Protoss go Nexus first. Three scenarios are what I am used to:

1. Flash went 14 cc. When he scouts Toss went Nexus first, he doesnt care. That means he can macro up and maybe even skip a bunker. This is likely the best scenario.

2. Flash is going gasless expand. Again, he doesnt care too much but worse than the above situation. He may make a snap decision to marine/bunker/scv rush to kill the nexus but not too likley.

3. Flash is going for gas and/or delayed expand: Flash immediately sends all his marines with at least 3+ SCVs to go kill the nexus. Likely vultures rallied in behind with mines researching and eventually tanks. Even if he kills the Nexus he can STILL be behind. However, unlike other Terrans, Flash gets maximum value and will likely trade very well with the Dragoons.

As long as Flash doesnt get more than 1 base behind, I dont think any toss can really beat him. Even if they go carriers, as long as he isnt behind on bases or no more than 1 behind, Flash will stomp carriers almost every time because he will get out enough goliaths to deal with it. Other Terrans just arent as good at or as inclined to macro as Flash is.

Another advantage Flash has is he never delays his comstats. He would rather lose than lose because he didnt have the detection/info from comstats. He ALWAYS sniffs out carrriers almost immediately. It seems almost impossible how quickly he finds out every time.

Once Flash has 3 bases he is almost unstoppable. Once he gets that much money that means his upgrades are rolling and he is getting close to maxed and once that happens, its almost impossible for the Protoss to win.
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden310 Posts
December 04 2021 10:16 GMT
#212
Is there anything special Flash does with his Goliath micro?

nah
Prev 1 9 10 11 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
12:00
Season 13 World Championship
Lemon vs TriGGeRLIVE!
Gerald vs Cure
Creator vs SHIN
WardiTV841
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko462
LamboSC2 148
SC2Nice 45
StarCraft: Brood War
Horang2 6129
Sea 2497
EffOrt 1307
Shuttle 925
Larva 681
ZerO 613
ggaemo 583
Soma 490
Snow 350
Rush 316
[ Show more ]
firebathero 306
Mini 273
BeSt 254
Hyuk 229
Light 228
hero 209
Mong 128
Mind 120
Hyun 115
Sharp 107
Barracks 106
Pusan 67
Sea.KH 62
Killer 43
Sexy 38
sorry 27
GoRush 21
Terrorterran 21
910 20
HiyA 19
SilentControl 16
zelot 16
scan(afreeca) 15
ivOry 13
Dota 2
Gorgc2668
qojqva1593
XcaliburYe86
Counter-Strike
fl0m2075
olofmeister940
x6flipin600
edward85
markeloff82
Other Games
singsing3000
B2W.Neo967
hiko590
Sick240
Hui .205
Mlord185
Mew2King93
ArmadaUGS76
Livibee59
QueenE55
XaKoH 52
ZerO(Twitch)18
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2591
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HappyZerGling 115
• iHatsuTV 1
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki17
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV386
• Noizen92
League of Legends
• Jankos3369
• TFBlade608
Upcoming Events
OSC
21h 21m
All Star Teams
1d 11h
INnoVation vs soO
Serral vs herO
Cure vs Solar
sOs vs Scarlett
Classic vs Clem
Reynor vs Maru
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 21h
AI Arena Tournament
2 days
All Star Teams
2 days
MMA vs DongRaeGu
Rogue vs Oliveira
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-14
Big Gabe Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W4
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
SC2 All-Star Inv. 2025
Nations Cup 2026
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.