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Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden317 Posts
November 12 2021 07:56 GMT
#201
On November 12 2021 07:27 psyCrowe wrote:
This isn't working on YT any more? Trying my damndest to avoid spoilers here. Have been watching over past few days and am on G4 but Youtube saying ' This video is unavailable on this device' ???


Which version are you watching?

The Tastosis cast works fine for me.
nah
nyoken
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States102 Posts
November 12 2021 09:02 GMT
#202
On November 12 2021 07:27 psyCrowe wrote:
This isn't working on YT any more? Trying my damndest to avoid spoilers here. Have been watching over past few days and am on G4 but Youtube saying ' This video is unavailable on this device' ???


Cruiser contacted Youtube and it should be working now
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden317 Posts
November 13 2021 13:31 GMT
#203
On November 12 2021 18:02 nyoken wrote:
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On November 12 2021 07:27 psyCrowe wrote:
This isn't working on YT any more? Trying my damndest to avoid spoilers here. Have been watching over past few days and am on G4 but Youtube saying 'This video is unavailable on this device' ???


Cruiser contacted Youtube and it should be working now


I have the same issues now, I also get "This video is unavailable on this device" when I try and watch it.

nah
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-13 15:26:49
November 13 2021 15:23 GMT
#204
On November 12 2021 18:02 nyoken wrote:
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On November 12 2021 07:27 psyCrowe wrote:
This isn't working on YT any more? Trying my damndest to avoid spoilers here. Have been watching over past few days and am on G4 but Youtube saying ' This video is unavailable on this device' ???


Cruiser contacted Youtube and it should be working now


The video is working now. I just watched your cast with Scan on Afreeca and I loved it so much! Thank you very much for you time and effort. As I am a noob, you guys bring my level of understanding and therefore enjoyment of the games to a next level!

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On November 10 2021 22:57 RKC wrote:
Out of curiosity, how exactly does Flash counter 2-base carrier play? What does he do differently or better than other Terrans?


I think people in this thread isn't giving enough credit to Minis early game here. How he cuts corners very well, like skipping goon range, and puts on soft pressure and scouts very well with excellent probe micro to stay alive as long as possible.

It seemed to me that Mini was doing better overall in the small micro-engagements, Rush had a few moments of great success but overall Mini did better.

In game 1 he does a very awkward zealot heavy ground army that Rush didn't expect after having a really good opener and being in control.

The perfect counter to the dropship play in game 2 was amazing, he knows Rush likes to go for it so he countered it. He lost the game by underestimating the defense and doing a poor attack.

In game 3 the way he scouted with an empty shuttle and went for scouts when he saw the 5 fact won him the game, Rush would've busted him if he hadn't done that.

Overall I felt like Rush was a bit to passive on several occasions and Mini usually won the mind game, like with the very late gas steal.

But Rush playing so safe is what won him game 2, 5 and 6. He punished Mini hard when Mini was cheesy or overaggressive.

But to passive when Mini played greedy and got his machine rolling.

And I mean, there is so much more to these games, I thought they were amazing and both played very well.

But Mini was definitely the more deserving winner, there was a lot of special flair and preparation to his play here while Rush played a bit to standard.

It really could've been a 4-0 if Mini didn't throw that 2nd game with that poor attack.

Also, someone that knows this better, to me it seemed a bit like Rush microd his Goliaths wrong in some engagements, when the carriers where on top of the goliaths they were still shooting down interceptors, isn't it better to target down the carriers then? There were so many goliaths it wouldn't take many volleys to bring a carrier down? But I felt like the carriers stayed alive forever, so after the fight Mini is out of interceptors and Rush is out of Goliaths.

Sure, if often times the carriers are not in range to be attacked effectively, but even when they were it seemed like Rush didn't target them as much as he should've.

Or is it something I don't know about Carrier vs. Goliath fights to explain it?

Thank you for your input. I play zerg but I've been so impressed with Mini creativity. I'm very happy for him.
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Holint_Casazr
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Germany72 Posts
November 13 2021 22:14 GMT
#205
StarCast VoD on YT is still messed up for me, but their Afreeca VoD worked fine - thanks for a great season of casts and what a nice final to end with. Would have liked rush to win but Mini really deserved a titel finally.

Legend of the Fall I guess! Though can't beat that first JangBi OSL season when it comes to that (that was 10 years ago now, wow).
nyoken
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States102 Posts
November 14 2021 03:18 GMT
#206
On November 14 2021 07:14 Holint_Casazr wrote:
StarCast VoD on YT is still messed up for me, but their Afreeca VoD worked fine - thanks for a great season of casts and what a nice final to end with. Would have liked rush to win but Mini really deserved a titel finally.

Legend of the Fall I guess! Though can't beat that first JangBi OSL season when it comes to that (that was 10 years ago now, wow).

Also not working for me now. I let Cruiser know
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
November 14 2021 10:07 GMT
#207
What's with Rush doing these late scouts against Protoss on 4 player maps, yes you're good TvP but that is never a good idea. Protoss can get away with so much if you scout them late.
ajmbek
Profile Joined November 2008
Italy460 Posts
November 15 2021 15:19 GMT
#208
Really nice games. Mini show. Bought when he won and lost, he dictated the tempo of the game and how it will unfold.
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moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1548 Posts
November 16 2021 17:01 GMT
#209
On November 14 2021 12:18 nyoken wrote:
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On November 14 2021 07:14 Holint_Casazr wrote:
StarCast VoD on YT is still messed up for me, but their Afreeca VoD worked fine - thanks for a great season of casts and what a nice final to end with. Would have liked rush to win but Mini really deserved a titel finally.

Legend of the Fall I guess! Though can't beat that first JangBi OSL season when it comes to that (that was 10 years ago now, wow).

Also not working for me now. I let Cruiser know

Still not working I'm afraid.
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Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden317 Posts
November 27 2021 21:32 GMT
#210
The video is working well now!

I was curious to see some of Nyokens and Scans comments and analysis but I gave up when it wasn't working for so long, but now it does!
nah
Zeronova
Profile Joined September 2020
54 Posts
December 03 2021 04:59 GMT
#211
On November 10 2021 22:57 RKC wrote:
Out of curiosity, how exactly does Flash counter 2-base carrier play? What does he do differently or better than other Terrans?


Multi layered question here.

First of all, Flash never just "lets" a Protoss go Nexus first. Three scenarios are what I am used to:

1. Flash went 14 cc. When he scouts Toss went Nexus first, he doesnt care. That means he can macro up and maybe even skip a bunker. This is likely the best scenario.

2. Flash is going gasless expand. Again, he doesnt care too much but worse than the above situation. He may make a snap decision to marine/bunker/scv rush to kill the nexus but not too likley.

3. Flash is going for gas and/or delayed expand: Flash immediately sends all his marines with at least 3+ SCVs to go kill the nexus. Likely vultures rallied in behind with mines researching and eventually tanks. Even if he kills the Nexus he can STILL be behind. However, unlike other Terrans, Flash gets maximum value and will likely trade very well with the Dragoons.

As long as Flash doesnt get more than 1 base behind, I dont think any toss can really beat him. Even if they go carriers, as long as he isnt behind on bases or no more than 1 behind, Flash will stomp carriers almost every time because he will get out enough goliaths to deal with it. Other Terrans just arent as good at or as inclined to macro as Flash is.

Another advantage Flash has is he never delays his comstats. He would rather lose than lose because he didnt have the detection/info from comstats. He ALWAYS sniffs out carrriers almost immediately. It seems almost impossible how quickly he finds out every time.

Once Flash has 3 bases he is almost unstoppable. Once he gets that much money that means his upgrades are rolling and he is getting close to maxed and once that happens, its almost impossible for the Protoss to win.
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden317 Posts
December 04 2021 10:16 GMT
#212
Is there anything special Flash does with his Goliath micro?

nah
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