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Optimate
Profile Joined August 2020
257 Posts
October 05 2021 04:49 GMT
#101
Mini looking like the best Protoss at the moment. He has as good a chance as any other Protoss. Rooting for you my Protoss brethern.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1147 Posts
October 05 2021 05:27 GMT
#102
Hes indeed the best protoss at the moment. However, Snow, Best, Stork, probably even Shuttle and retired Bisu all have better PvsT than Mini. Hes going to face a 1st place RO16er (soma excluded i think), which will be sOrry, Light and possibly Rush... :/
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey853 Posts
October 05 2021 06:30 GMT
#103
Stork expressed he is working on mechanics as todays matches shows he is far behind. It is hard for protoss players balance the ht ratio of their army on pvz. As Snow has 2 more ht he can keep up the game tempo.He also need a gate to produce ht on exps. Only canons are not enough.

For r8 only mini left. On proleague matches he showed he is getting better on pvt. Also agro opening on pvt will be fun to watch.
b0lt
Profile Joined March 2009
United States790 Posts
October 05 2021 07:35 GMT
#104
On October 05 2021 11:35 TornadoSteve wrote:
It certainly doesn't look good as sOrry and Light are both monsters in TvsP.


Intellectually, I know this is true, but reading that light is a monster in TvP just feels so wrong...
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4186 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-05 09:47:14
October 05 2021 09:46 GMT
#105
Can we get the right (working) wiki link on the OP? This one I suppose: (Wiki)AfreecaTV StarCraft League Remastered/12
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1548 Posts
October 05 2021 10:51 GMT
#106
Very disappointing Snow didn't make it out, he's been looking so strong lately. Sad for Stork too, I can't see Mini making it much further so disappointing for Protoss all round.
If in doubt, differentiate and set equal to zero
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
October 05 2021 13:19 GMT
#107
Every time Snow's army is near maxed out, his army looks tiny. Does he have too many probes? Happened in both the PvT and PvZ.
NotoriousSCV
Profile Joined September 2021
27 Posts
October 05 2021 14:58 GMT
#108
Heavy sair count prehaps i'm surprised he took that one game even, ZerO made poor decisions in going all-out on 4base when it didn't look vital to end the game immediately.

PvZ is horrible to watch sometimes watching P desperately hang on by a storm or 2 in the midgame. Mobility between bases makes P so vulnerable. Such a familiar situation - P on 2base about equal supply but unable to produce units as efficiently. This is why Mini tends to always turn around the aggression against Z (certainly worked against ZerO, consistently).
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4186 Posts
October 05 2021 15:25 GMT
#109
On October 05 2021 23:58 NotoriousSCV wrote:
Heavy sair count prehaps i'm surprised he took that one game even, ZerO made poor decisions in going all-out on 4base when it didn't look vital to end the game immediately.

PvZ is horrible to watch sometimes watching P desperately hang on by a storm or 2 in the midgame. Mobility between bases makes P so vulnerable. Such a familiar situation - P on 2base about equal supply but unable to produce units as efficiently. This is why Mini tends to always turn around the aggression against Z (certainly worked against ZerO, consistently).

For me the biggest (and the main) issue in PvZ is the early game before the first corsair reaches Zerg's main. In this period Zerg has absolute domination on the map with close to 0 trade off if they make a mistake. The combination of Protoss unable to scout properly in this period (I mean relying on probe micro is such a band aid which does not even work anymore in most of the games) and the nature of the match where if Protoss makes a mistake in this period he is just dead (or behind enough to die few minutes later, but mostly just dead) creates the biggest disparity in BW imo. Both of these things may happen separately in the other match ups, even in PvZ in other stages of the game, but its always one or the other, either scouting is shut down, but a misstep doesnt lose you the game or it can but you can scout what is coming. Nowadays, Zergs became even more precise in abusing this stage, so Protoss either dies or often cannot get into midgame having the attacker advantage they are supposed to have in the next phase. So, they have a very short timing to use it to gain an advantage or win the game
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States402 Posts
October 05 2021 18:27 GMT
#110
Light was SO good in his games. Really fun to watch. Good vessel control and timing and everything! Easily could see him winning this ASL.

Ugh watching Stork lose that shuttle for nothing was heartbreaking. I hope he keeps it up because if he weren't in this group, I think he would have had a great shot at moving to the Ro8.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 10 2021 00:56 GMT
#111
This was by far the best group this Ro16. The games were almost all terrific and the players showed insane skills. ZerO's clinical vP against Stork and Light's solid defensive game against Snow. Then we got that fantastic TvZ series in the winners' and Stork put up a great fight against Snow in the losers'. Lemon is quite the map, all 3 games on it this season have been interesting! Finally, ZerO vs Snow. Both deserve to advance, but having it decided in the final game was just great.

Light and ZerO advance, top players from each race atm imo.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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