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Recommended Games + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [ZerO vs Stork] + showcase of what it means to have great mechanics + Show Spoiler [Snow vs Light] + Sometimes a good defense is all you need. + Show Spoiler [Winners Game] + + Show Spoiler [Set 1] + yes, we don't get to see a lot of this map, you can see why. + Show Spoiler [Set 2] + fantastic set well worth a watch. + Show Spoiler [Set 3] + if you have time. + Show Spoiler [Losers Game] + + Show Spoiler [Set 1] + EE-Han timing! + Show Spoiler [Set 2] + worth a watch + Show Spoiler [Set 3] + solid game from winner. + Show Spoiler [Final Game] + + Show Spoiler [Set 1] + if you have time + Show Spoiler [Set 2] + Absolutely yes! + Show Spoiler [Set 3] + the gameplan worked out a lot better for the winner. | ||
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hiro protagonist
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prosatan
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LB: Light / Zero Heart: Stork / Light / Zero / Snow in no particular order  | ||
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angry_maia
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On October 04 2021 16:18 prosatan wrote: Group of Death ! LB: Light / Zero Heart: Stork / Light / Zero / Snow in no particular order I guess overall Light / Zero has to be the correct bet, but I really feel Snow vs Light vs Zero are all razor thin matchups. | ||
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prosatan
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On October 04 2021 17:48 angry_maia wrote: I guess overall Light / Zero has to be the correct bet, but I really feel Snow vs Light vs Zero are all razor thin matchups. Yess!! But perhaps Snow is a bit dizzy from his wedding yesterday  Half an hour left !  | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Lets get this started | ||
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prosatan
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BW FOREVER !!!!!!! | ||
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prosatan
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But somehow it is a bit delayed.... | ||
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Miragee
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On October 04 2021 19:09 prosatan wrote: English stream is up! good !!! But somehow it is a bit delayed.... Isn't it always a bit delayed? I remember it was when Scan had internet issues. | ||
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prosatan
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On October 04 2021 19:14 Miragee wrote: Isn't it always a bit delayed? I remember it was when Scan had internet issues. Yes, you're right Miragee... I'll watch korean stream now | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On October 04 2021 19:14 Miragee wrote: Isn't it always a bit delayed? I remember it was when Scan had internet issues. yeah always around 30s to a full minute behind. | ||
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RowdierBob
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If it's a relatively straightforward affair, Zero takes it comfortably. | ||
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prosatan
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prosatan
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Very standard 5 hatch play | ||
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prosatan
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6th hatch up for Zero and the basic 7:30 zealot pressure mutas + scourge vs sairs zelots went straight to the main and snipe the spire ! | ||
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prosatan
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Stork trying to take his 3rd | ||
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prosatan
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136/126 | ||
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prosatan
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come on Stork , use some storms ! | ||
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prosatan
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he is heading to storks 4th | ||
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Miragee
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Miragee
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On October 04 2021 19:35 RowdierBob wrote: TF is Stork doing charging Zealots into a deep lurker line -_- Hoping they'll hit each other with the spines. | ||
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prosatan
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and he snipes many probes also 3rd getting destroyed also GG incoming | ||
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prosatan
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24k - Pusan 11k - Calm Best , Movie, Horangee - 2.8 k Official Stream - 12.7 k Last and Mini combined - 3k Nice nice nice !!! | ||
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RowdierBob
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M2
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prosatan
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He is more afraid of Light for sure ! | ||
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prosatan
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Zealot incomingggg let's see lights micro | ||
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prosatan
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Reaver for Snow - obviously | ||
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prosatan
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I'm surprised he doesn't go for carriers now | ||
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Miragee
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prosatan
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Nice storms and a bit of vulture harass | ||
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prosatan
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Very good game ! | ||
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prosatan
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GG Light vs Zero in winners game !!! | ||
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RowdierBob
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On October 04 2021 20:18 BLinD-RawR wrote: Light really won that by not attacking. Didn’t really need to with Snow going gateway only. If he made a carrier switch Light would’ve been much more active. Great map control from Light and scouting. | ||
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Miragee
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On October 04 2021 20:18 BLinD-RawR wrote: Light really won that by not attacking. Yeah lol. Well played by him. I still question a lot of Snows attacks. Feel like he didn't do his best there. Stasises were way too late as well. That was a very entertaining game though. | ||
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prosatan
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I will drink a redbull now ! | ||
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Miragee
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On October 04 2021 19:40 RowdierBob wrote: I think Nyo is making too much of the early zeal attack from Stork. He killed a sunk, spire and couple of drone for almost a whole control group of zeals. The overlord snipes were nice but once Zero stabilised he was always going to have the army advantage. The random push into the deep lurker line sealed it for Stork. I think you are right, it looked much more damaging than it was because he didn't lose that many drones and Stork didn't capitalise on the spire-kill. He killed like 2 overlords before it was back up... gz to our 12345 posts btw. :> | ||
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prosatan
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Light - bottom left One LB is safe ! | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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niteReloaded
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I was hoping to rewind as I just joined... | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On October 04 2021 20:19 RowdierBob wrote: Didn’t really need to with Snow going gateway only. If he made a carrier switch Light would’ve been much more active. Great map control from Light and scouting. oh yeah no, it was basically me putting it very lightly with snow's questionable decisions like the number of times he attacked the high ground with against tanks, some which were dmatrixed too. | ||
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RowdierBob
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On October 04 2021 20:46 BLinD-RawR wrote: oh yeah no, it was basically me putting it very lightly with snow's questionable decisions like the number of times he attacked the high ground with against tanks, some which were dmatrixed too. I thought Snow played pretty well. Light was just impenetrable. He stuffed up a bit not trying to take the two mid centre bases though IMO. That would’ve forced Light to get out on the map a bit sooner I think and given snow more chances to create a hole in the tank line. | ||
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On October 04 2021 21:32 BLinD-RawR wrote: stork is always like this in pvp remember his KSL run from a few years back? Not quite, my memory is hazy. But it makes sense that PvP is the match up in which he maintains his skill level the most. //about to eat my words, that engagement was abysmal. | ||
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TMNT
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On October 04 2021 21:40 Miragee wrote: Not quite, my memory is hazy. But it makes sense that PvP is the match up in which he maintains his skill level the most. //about to eat my words, that engagement was abysmal. Here's how you should put it: PvP is the match up that with his skill level nowadays he can still keep up with other Protoss players. | ||
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On October 04 2021 21:47 TMNT wrote: Here's how you should put it: PvP is the match up that with his skill level nowadays he can still keep up with other Protoss players. :D But no, this is not what I wanted to say. | ||
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prosatan
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 120 / 90 supply in favor of Snow | ||
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itsdaniel
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prosatan
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1-0 GG | ||
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On October 04 2021 22:33 RowdierBob wrote: Ugh ZvP is so gross sometimes. How do you go from a failed ling bust to failed hydra bust and still be in such a good position in the mid game. I’m not sure what Snow should’ve done differently there. Agreed, zerg has a lot of agency at this stage of the match up... This was a fantastic hold by Snow though. And he should be fine against mutas. //Where's all the protoss? Did Snow build 100 probes again? | ||
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prosatan
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Final game ! Let's go ! I root for both | ||
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prosatan
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I like all players from this group.... | ||
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itsdaniel
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On October 04 2021 23:24 BLinD-RawR wrote: rare that I get it right these days. i told you | ||
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Optimate
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TMNT
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On October 04 2021 22:33 RowdierBob wrote: Ugh ZvP is so gross sometimes. How do you go from a failed ling bust to failed hydra bust and still be in such a good position in the mid game. I’m not sure what Snow should’ve done differently there. The ling bust failed but the hydra bust didn't actually. Queen didn't commit an all-in, so the hydra bust served it purpose as it destroyed the gate and the core, and forced Snow to build a bunch of cannons, slowing down his tech and army . Meanwhile Queen was able to drone up and transition to midgame without any restrictions. What could have Snow done differently? Not much up to that point I think. After that maybe he could have multitasked like crazy with a storm/DT drop here and there, or whatever harassment tools Protoss has. I mean, you put Bisu on that position in the game and he could still lose as well. | ||
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oxKnu
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Things are looking quite dire for this race. That cancer map, Largo was a nail in the coffin. Why are these ASL mapmakers repeatedly handing out free wins to either Terran/Zerg by map selection in these tournaments. It's insane. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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its tough | ||
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TMNT
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On October 05 2021 00:02 oxKnu wrote: That cancer map, Largo was a nail in the coffin. Why are these ASL mapmakers repeatedly handing out free wins to either Terran/Zerg by map selection in these tournaments. It's insane. Can you elaborate on why Largo is bad for Protoss. I havent paid much attention to this map. Thought it was just similar to Polypoid, except you go up a ramp to the centre of the map. | ||
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oxKnu
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On October 05 2021 00:24 TMNT wrote: Can you elaborate on why Largo is bad for Protoss. I havent paid much attention to this map. Thought it was just similar to Polypoid, except you go up a ramp to the centre of the map. Well checkout some of the PvZ's in this ASL and count up how the engages on that ramp are going so far. It's ridiculous. That third is worse than maps from 15 years ago. | ||
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whaski
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On October 05 2021 00:24 TMNT wrote: Can you elaborate on why Largo is bad for Protoss. I havent paid much attention to this map. Thought it was just similar to Polypoid, except you go up a ramp to the centre of the map. Toss cannot take 3 gas against zerg in Largo, because of the distance so its usually 2 gas an mineral only. That is if you can take 3rd nexus. To add that quote to Kiante, the "imba highground of imbalance" means protoss gets contained. There is no way to secure highground be it against lurkers or hydras. And with big main zerg can go mutas, drops whatever. And how can protoss stop zerg from expanding like crazy? Sorry for the rant, but this is yet again zergmaps for all the way, most likely even more zergmaps than asl 9. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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GGs.. | ||
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ERSJ
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Zeronova
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Still though,ALL the games were good in C and it definitely lived up to expectations | ||
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TornadoSteve
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It certainly doesn't look good as sOrry and Light are both monsters in TvsP. I am not even sure if Rush would be an underdog against Mini. Also, Sk won 5-4 in a recent match against Mini. It remains to be seen, but its not going to be a walk in the Fort de Soto park for Mini. | ||
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hiro protagonist
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Optimate
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HOLYBATS
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For r8 only mini left. On proleague matches he showed he is getting better on pvt. Also agro opening on pvt will be fun to watch. | ||
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b0lt
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On October 05 2021 11:35 TornadoSteve wrote: It certainly doesn't look good as sOrry and Light are both monsters in TvsP. Intellectually, I know this is true, but reading that light is a monster in TvP just feels so wrong... | ||
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M2
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NotoriousSCV
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PvZ is horrible to watch sometimes watching P desperately hang on by a storm or 2 in the midgame. Mobility between bases makes P so vulnerable. Such a familiar situation - P on 2base about equal supply but unable to produce units as efficiently. This is why Mini tends to always turn around the aggression against Z (certainly worked against ZerO, consistently). | ||
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M2
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On October 05 2021 23:58 NotoriousSCV wrote: Heavy sair count prehaps i'm surprised he took that one game even, ZerO made poor decisions in going all-out on 4base when it didn't look vital to end the game immediately. PvZ is horrible to watch sometimes watching P desperately hang on by a storm or 2 in the midgame. Mobility between bases makes P so vulnerable. Such a familiar situation - P on 2base about equal supply but unable to produce units as efficiently. This is why Mini tends to always turn around the aggression against Z (certainly worked against ZerO, consistently). For me the biggest (and the main) issue in PvZ is the early game before the first corsair reaches Zerg's main. In this period Zerg has absolute domination on the map with close to 0 trade off if they make a mistake. The combination of Protoss unable to scout properly in this period (I mean relying on probe micro is such a band aid which does not even work anymore in most of the games) and the nature of the match where if Protoss makes a mistake in this period he is just dead (or behind enough to die few minutes later, but mostly just dead) creates the biggest disparity in BW imo. Both of these things may happen separately in the other match ups, even in PvZ in other stages of the game, but its always one or the other, either scouting is shut down, but a misstep doesnt lose you the game or it can but you can scout what is coming. Nowadays, Zergs became even more precise in abusing this stage, so Protoss either dies or often cannot get into midgame having the attacker advantage they are supposed to have in the next phase. So, they have a very short timing to use it to gain an advantage or win the game | ||
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Lazyer
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Ugh watching Stork lose that shuttle for nothing was heartbreaking. I hope he keeps it up because if he weren't in this group, I think he would have had a great shot at moving to the Ro8. | ||
BigFan
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Light and ZerO advance, top players from each race atm imo. | ||
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