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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4267 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:43 Rainalcar wrote: That is not a fair comparison. Cannon rushes are seen as often as 2hatch lurker all-ins, so, rare. Hydras are seen all the time. exactly, this is not SC2.. cannon rushes are superultra rare. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8901 Posts
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Garrl
Scotland1978 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:45 M3t4PhYzX wrote: exactly, this is not SC2.. cannon rushes are superultra rare. that is the point, you make cannons warp in 3 seconds earlier and then p players start cannon rushing every game because it would be super ultra broken... | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:40 tanngard wrote: I actually stopped breathing and started hyperventilating during that bust. How can anyone ever, EVER, cheer for zergs vs protoss when this is the kind of disgusting play they keep showing over and over? Not seeing justice prevail like tonight really does break my heart. But that's life, can't ever quit trying even though life is unfair. I'm P and I wouldn't say I cheered for Soma but his intelligence transcends race | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3433 Posts
Bisu is known to play macro games and likes to get ahead early on as much as possible, so Soma decided to end the game early. Except the 2 hatch lair (weird) game (which I think Bisu should have won, to be honest) there was nothing innovative or particularily impressive about what he did - I honestly believe holding strats like that as a protoss is a really hard balancing act that's relatively easy to abuse as a zerg unless the protoss overcommits to defences and puts himself at a disadvantage in the mid game. If every Terran won most of all their games vs zerg doing BBS rushes people would get bored of that really quickly, too; Maybe that's my bias speaking here, but I tend to see zergs winning with hydra busts *much* more often than protoss holding them. Nevertheless, the series was fun to watch and the last game especially had me on my toes! | ||
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oxKnu
1259 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:42 goody153 wrote: Is he the biggest contender to upsetting flash ? Soma has had very decent spon games results against Flash. However it's a final so Flash will be at 120%. Can't see Flash losing a TvT final either. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66363 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:42 Rainalcar wrote: It's a thin line and sometimes you simply cannot know in TvZ. Even up to this day we see hydra all-ins killing great players all the time. For an all-in, it should be more risky for the Zerg. it is? because when protoss builds cannons and plays defensively while zergs are going all-in, it truly is an all-in. for protoss, they can spam cannons but it's not the end of the line for them. protoss players just need to stop playing greedily against an anti-greed build | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4267 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:47 Garrl wrote: that is the point, you make cannons warp in 3 seconds earlier and then p players start cannon rushing every game because it would be super ultra broken... i really don't think it would be broken at all.. but this is a dull discussion anyways, because there is not a chance that they will make this change in 2020 for BW  or any other change for that matter. | ||
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Miragee
8671 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:40 konadora wrote: guess you've not seen the sponsored matches then? soma's lategame is pretty good as well, it's not going to be that easy for light No I haven't. I hope you are proven correct. TvZ is my favourite match up and it would be sad to have 2 roll-overs. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66363 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:43 FFW_Rude wrote: It's like people don't understand map/player preparation and forget that most of the star player started by doing allin and cheese (Looking at you Boxer... or FlaSh)  ^ | ||
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Motivate
2860 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:48 oxKnu wrote: Soma has had very decent spon games results against Flash. However it's a final so Flash will be at 120%. Can't see Flash losing a TvT final either. i dont know if its just me, but flash seems to be so much stronger offline than online... online he seems to be regularly upsetted | ||
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prosatan
Romania8901 Posts
I thought about it right now!!! As soon as the sair is out, you make 3 or 4 cannons at your nat. By the time he arrives at zerg base the cannons aren't yet done! And if you see lair , quickly cancel them. And if you see hydra den , you let them finish! And if you cancel them you only lose few minerals ! | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:49 konadora wrote: it is? because when protoss builds cannons and plays defensively while zergs are going all-in, it truly is an all-in. for protoss, they can spam cannons but it's not the end of the line for them. protoss players just need to stop playing greedily against an anti-greed build Protoss needs to get out on the map ASAP if Zerg is powering instead. If you make enough cannons in the dark to hold a Hydrabust blind you won't have a critical mass of Zealots to move out for a very long time and you will have to play even more defensive. At some point down this game tree your third is just a losing battle one way or another. | ||
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Piste
6183 Posts
And a typical day for a Bisu fan.. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6998 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:53 prosatan wrote: A solution may exist! I thought about it right now!!! As soon as the sair is out, you make 3 or 4 cannons at your nat. By the time he arrives at zerg base the cannons aren't yet done! And if you see lair , quickly cancel them. And if you see hydra den , you let them finish! And if you cancel them you only lose few minerals ! funny how this solutions always appears when Bisu loss games xD. | ||
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Miragee
8671 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:40 BLinD-RawR wrote: if you want to see what light vs soma might look like check this Hm, I think I remember watching this. Forgot how the games went. : / | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
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Starecat
941 Posts
Not even pointing at SC2 many modern multiplayer games patch the game to please balance QQ instead of giving it time to see how it evolves and solve itself over the time. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
These best players in the world make these amount of cannons because these are the amount of cannons that win the most when they play. Your idea is not revolutionary or complicated. Over time the Protoss trend is to make less and less cannons. This is not because Protoss players are getting dumber and dumber. It is because the benefits of making less cannons is outweighs the negatives of making less cannons. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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