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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51716 Posts
April 07 2020 11:41 GMT
#321
On April 07 2020 20:39 RowdierBob wrote:
Feels like a Flash v Light final.

And I nearly forgot how salty Bisu fans got after he loses.


hah yeah, you got that right, forgot what its like to actually get behind a player instead of just rooting for good games.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
April 07 2020 11:41 GMT
#322
Soma didn't prepare for the last map omg hahaha.
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1268 Posts
April 07 2020 11:41 GMT
#323
On April 07 2020 20:35 Szinkler wrote:
This Soma guy, omg. Can literally only allin. Such amazing talent, so amazing games. Thank you Soma!
edit: how can anyone enjoy this, I have no idea.

I mean I sort of understand Soma because he wants the fame and probably money, so he cheeses every game because he knows he has no real chance in macro game. But why are people enjoy watching this? Ahh, let's not even go into this...


You're stupid.

Soma has incredible macro play. He played like this because it was Bisu and because of the maps.

It was a brilliant strategical move.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
April 07 2020 11:42 GMT
#324
On April 07 2020 20:39 RowdierBob wrote:
Feels like a Flash v Light final.

And I nearly forgot how salty Bisu fans got after he loses.


Soma vs Flash would be nice too. But really want to give Light another chance at a win.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia566 Posts
April 07 2020 11:42 GMT
#325
On April 07 2020 20:39 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 20:38 Rainalcar wrote:
We need cannons warping in 3 seconds faster:
negligible impact on PvT
less chance for hydra attacks or muta all-ins on the main and a more stable PvZ
less chance for DT chesse in PvP



or just build them faster and dont be so greedy lol


It's a thin line and sometimes you simply cannot know in TvZ. Even up to this day we see hydra all-ins killing great players all the time. For an all-in, it should be more risky for the Zerg.
j.r.r.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44313 Posts
April 07 2020 11:42 GMT
#326
On April 07 2020 20:40 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 20:39 Miragee wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:36 konadora wrote:
it doesnt matter how you win as long as you won without cheating. soma is getting all the hate here the same way flash got his hate when he started winning during his debut

haters gonna hate


Honestly don't care who won. They both didn't show a single inspiring game. A few great moments but as a whole this was a farce. I haven't seen Light play TvZ in a long time but if he is still playing TvZ as I remember he will rip Chosim to shreds. You can't do silly cheeses every game against terran.


Oh man you are in for a ride, Soma's ZvT is crazy good. I remember awhile back he was giving Flash a hard time.

Is he the biggest contender to upsetting flash ?
this is a quote
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
April 07 2020 11:42 GMT
#327
On April 07 2020 20:37 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 20:26 Miragee wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:18 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:16 Lachrymose wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:13 Lachrymose wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:06 Lachrymose wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:02 whaski wrote:
Eat that you disgusting cheeser!


uhh ok, this is the saddest line of reasoning

Hydra bust -> hidden expo -> Lurker bust

There's nothing wrong with having disdain for somebody playing the odds fishing for free wins over and over rather than trying to outplay somebody.


bamboozling is outplaying, killing the scouting probe is outplaying because he was denied scouting info, soma knowing that you can end the match when you're ahead is outplaying.

long macro games aren't the only way to say if someone is better or not, its the most archaic thinking on our forums.

bisu got played, and he would have been out if he did not correctly scout.

Killing a scouting probe with speedlings is not outplaying.

Throwing the dice in the dark is not outplaying.

Well, ok then, by your own words, Soma is outplaying Bisu because Bisu cannon rushed.

No, by my own words winning with a cannon rush is not a meaningful measure of outplaying somebody. I didn't claim Bisu was outplaying Soma by dying to a hidden expo.

Winning = outplaying. That's the only definable measure of skill. To win.


This assertion is wrong. In a game where luck is a component, skill will never be the only determining factor to win, which means not every victory is caused by higher skill. And it also very much varies between games. When you place all your hopes into a strategy that is largely luck-based and win then the win is also largely luck-based as opposed to skill-based. Obviously skill plays a roll as well. I wouldn't have hold any of the cheeses here against those two even if I scouted them. But when players are on a similar level, these strategies are largely luck-based because it only comes down to scouting in time.

Where was the luck on game 1 and 2? Soma outplayed Bisu in both those games, partially because Bisu played worse, but Soma also played more intelligently and more skillfully as well.

Protoss can't get info after Zergling speed finishes.
From there Zerg can choose from a series of all-ins/builds that payout when the first Corsair is available and Protoss can force scouting.
If Protoss doesn't guess right they are somewhere between severely behind and dead on the spot.

Luck is having the Protoss not guess right.

There is no option or mechanic in the game that allows Protoss to bypass this dice game, short of playing an even quicker dice game like a gate or cannon rush.
~
Deleted User 513418
Profile Joined November 2019
138 Posts
April 07 2020 11:42 GMT
#328
On April 07 2020 20:40 Motivate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 20:39 Cush wrote:
Bisu fanboys are mad lol. He should have scouted better. If he had seen the hydras in games 1 and 5 a few seconds earlier this would be a different series.

honestly you would be silly not to expect hydras that last game considering how hard soma was chasing that probe

Seriously.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51716 Posts
April 07 2020 11:43 GMT
#329
On April 07 2020 20:41 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Soma didn't prepare for the last map omg hahaha.


Neo Sylphid is the FS/CB of 2020, you don't really "prepare" for it, its your standard map.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-07 11:44:03
April 07 2020 11:43 GMT
#330
It's like people don't understand map/player preparation and forget that most of the star player started by doing allin and cheese (Looking at you Boxer... or FlaSh)
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9436 Posts
April 07 2020 11:43 GMT
#331
On April 07 2020 20:42 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 20:40 Dante08 wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:39 Miragee wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:36 konadora wrote:
it doesnt matter how you win as long as you won without cheating. soma is getting all the hate here the same way flash got his hate when he started winning during his debut

haters gonna hate


Honestly don't care who won. They both didn't show a single inspiring game. A few great moments but as a whole this was a farce. I haven't seen Light play TvZ in a long time but if he is still playing TvZ as I remember he will rip Chosim to shreds. You can't do silly cheeses every game against terran.


Oh man you are in for a ride, Soma's ZvT is crazy good. I remember awhile back he was giving Flash a hard time.

Is he the biggest contender to upsetting flash ?

Of the three players remaining , probably yes. He , then Zero , then Light
Imo Light has the least amount of chance
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44313 Posts
April 07 2020 11:43 GMT
#332
On April 07 2020 20:42 GorillaPimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 20:40 Motivate wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:39 Cush wrote:
Bisu fanboys are mad lol. He should have scouted better. If he had seen the hydras in games 1 and 5 a few seconds earlier this would be a different series.

honestly you would be silly not to expect hydras that last game considering how hard soma was chasing that probe

Seriously.

this is a quote
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2107 Posts
April 07 2020 11:43 GMT
#333
worth pointing out today's viewership was roughly ~2 higher than the previous peak for the season

we alive
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia566 Posts
April 07 2020 11:43 GMT
#334
On April 07 2020 20:41 Amanebak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 20:38 Rainalcar wrote:
We need cannons warping in 3 seconds faster:
negligible impact on PvT
less chance for hydra attacks or muta all-ins on the main and a more stable PvZ
less chance for DT chesse in PvP



More cannon rushes. Yes, I hope they make the change.


That is not a fair comparison. Cannon rushes are seen as often as 2hatch lurker all-ins, so, rare. Hydras are seen all the time.
j.r.r.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44313 Posts
April 07 2020 11:44 GMT
#335
On April 07 2020 20:43 prosatan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 20:42 goody153 wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:40 Dante08 wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:39 Miragee wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:36 konadora wrote:
it doesnt matter how you win as long as you won without cheating. soma is getting all the hate here the same way flash got his hate when he started winning during his debut

haters gonna hate


Honestly don't care who won. They both didn't show a single inspiring game. A few great moments but as a whole this was a farce. I haven't seen Light play TvZ in a long time but if he is still playing TvZ as I remember he will rip Chosim to shreds. You can't do silly cheeses every game against terran.


Oh man you are in for a ride, Soma's ZvT is crazy good. I remember awhile back he was giving Flash a hard time.

Is he the biggest contender to upsetting flash ?

Of the three players remaining , probably yes. He , then Zero , then Light
Imo Light has the least amount of chance


Cool. Light vs Chosim sounds fun
this is a quote
Deleted User 513418
Profile Joined November 2019
138 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-07 11:45:20
April 07 2020 11:45 GMT
#336
I love Bisu as much as anyone but Soma is an incredible player. I called 3-2 Soma before the set begun so I'm not surprised. Soma is the real deal. And he's a breath of fresh air. If you dislike Soma, you just aren't a fan of the game, you're a fan of a person or a race. Which is fine. Who cares. But it's not the same.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4300 Posts
April 07 2020 11:45 GMT
#337
On April 07 2020 20:42 GorillaPimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 20:40 Motivate wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:39 Cush wrote:
Bisu fanboys are mad lol. He should have scouted better. If he had seen the hydras in games 1 and 5 a few seconds earlier this would be a different series.

honestly you would be silly not to expect hydras that last game considering how hard soma was chasing that probe

Seriously.

Bisu constantly making the same mistake vs Z since.. idk, 2008-9? Wasnt surprised at all that he didn't make enough cannons.

well.. better to lose the game than be behind in minerals a bit, I guess.
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
April 07 2020 11:45 GMT
#338
On April 07 2020 20:43 Ziggy wrote:
worth pointing out today's viewership was roughly ~2 higher than the previous peak for the season

we alive

isolation
Amanebak
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Czech Republic528 Posts
April 07 2020 11:45 GMT
#339
On April 07 2020 20:40 tanngard wrote:
I actually stopped breathing and started hyperventilating during that bust.

How can anyone ever, EVER, cheer for zergs vs protoss when this is the kind of disgusting play they keep showing over and over?

Not seeing justice prevail like tonight really does break my heart. But that's life, can't ever quit trying even though life is unfair.

How one can ever cheer for zergs.
1) psi storms
2) archons
3) reavers
4) dts
5) zerg creatures are cute and fragile, I don't like them dying.
BW
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
April 07 2020 11:45 GMT
#340
On April 07 2020 20:43 Ziggy wrote:
worth pointing out today's viewership was roughly ~2 higher than the previous peak for the season

we alive


Aliens !
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
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