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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
April 07 2020 11:35 GMT
#281
Disgusting.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
April 07 2020 11:35 GMT
#282
Every zerg should be ashamed of themselves after seeing that final game. Sad to knock out such a good player by just spamming the Hy button and hydra busting.
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
April 07 2020 11:35 GMT
#283
On April 07 2020 20:34 konadora wrote:
ROUND OF 4 FOR MY BOY SOMA

Unfortunately.
why even
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3424 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-07 11:36:30
April 07 2020 11:36 GMT
#284
I was really hoping Bisu would win just because he found the time to drop the dt into Soma's main in the meantime.

That was really impressive, to do that under so much pressure where your only instinct is to hold.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
April 07 2020 11:36 GMT
#285
it doesnt matter how you win as long as you won without cheating. soma is getting all the hate here the same way flash got his hate when he started winning during his debut

haters gonna hate
POGGERS
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
April 07 2020 11:36 GMT
#286
Btw this version of the hydra bust seems to be so strong against gateway expand cause your stargate is much later.
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
April 07 2020 11:36 GMT
#287
i think bisu needs to practice his pvz more
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
April 07 2020 11:36 GMT
#288
Soma with the Shine tactics against Bisu lmaoo, flashbacks.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Deleted User 513418
Profile Joined November 2019
138 Posts
April 07 2020 11:36 GMT
#289
Probably the most tense game I've seen in many many years. Too bad my hero lost.

Oh well. Light v Soma. Probably even better than Light v Bisu.

And Soma v Flash would be fun.

Bisu will be back much stronger next season.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
April 07 2020 11:36 GMT
#290
LOL soma saying how nervous he was that he feels like throwing up
POGGERS
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6592 Posts
April 07 2020 11:36 GMT
#291
time to learn Soma builds and win zvp
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3116 Posts
April 07 2020 11:36 GMT
#292
Damn I thought Bisu was going to hold on for a bit there. Very tense game.
Artosis loves Starcraft
Deleted User 513418
Profile Joined November 2019
138 Posts
April 07 2020 11:37 GMT
#293
On April 07 2020 20:27 PVJ wrote:
Soma has such good builds for each game. He's my new july


That's a great comparison.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
April 07 2020 11:37 GMT
#294
On April 07 2020 20:26 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 20:18 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:16 Lachrymose wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:13 Lachrymose wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:06 Lachrymose wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:02 whaski wrote:
Eat that you disgusting cheeser!


uhh ok, this is the saddest line of reasoning

Hydra bust -> hidden expo -> Lurker bust

There's nothing wrong with having disdain for somebody playing the odds fishing for free wins over and over rather than trying to outplay somebody.


bamboozling is outplaying, killing the scouting probe is outplaying because he was denied scouting info, soma knowing that you can end the match when you're ahead is outplaying.

long macro games aren't the only way to say if someone is better or not, its the most archaic thinking on our forums.

bisu got played, and he would have been out if he did not correctly scout.

Killing a scouting probe with speedlings is not outplaying.

Throwing the dice in the dark is not outplaying.

Well, ok then, by your own words, Soma is outplaying Bisu because Bisu cannon rushed.

No, by my own words winning with a cannon rush is not a meaningful measure of outplaying somebody. I didn't claim Bisu was outplaying Soma by dying to a hidden expo.

Winning = outplaying. That's the only definable measure of skill. To win.


This assertion is wrong. In a game where luck is a component, skill will never be the only determining factor to win, which means not every victory is caused by higher skill. And it also very much varies between games. When you place all your hopes into a strategy that is largely luck-based and win then the win is also largely luck-based as opposed to skill-based. Obviously skill plays a roll as well. I wouldn't have hold any of the cheeses here against those two even if I scouted them. But when players are on a similar level, these strategies are largely luck-based because it only comes down to scouting in time.

Where was the luck on game 1 and 2? Soma outplayed Bisu in both those games, partially because Bisu played worse, but Soma also played more intelligently and more skillfully as well.
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
April 07 2020 11:37 GMT
#295
good to see theres still a chance for new people to break into the scene
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-07 11:39:06
April 07 2020 11:38 GMT
#296
On April 07 2020 20:35 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Every zerg should be ashamed of themselves after seeing that final game. Sad to knock out such a good player by just spamming the Hy button and hydra busting.


Meaning that good player can't hold hydra bust after 15 years of this build existing ?

+ Show Spoiler +
Just joking. I don't even know if that was a standard hydra bust and don't even remember how it was done
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
April 07 2020 11:38 GMT
#297
On April 07 2020 20:36 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
time to learn Soma builds and win zvp


I think he learned most of it from Shine
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
April 07 2020 11:38 GMT
#298
no matter what builds he go for an amateur always deserves more respect and encouragement, not hate. hating on upcoming talent is the last thing the scene needs
JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria408 Posts
April 07 2020 11:38 GMT
#299
Ah, even though I main P and am a dirty scumbag, this series left me smiling. It was so intense and fun to watch. I always feel the winner deserves it because he made less mistakes but this time even more so - such a dirty and scrappy last game, not allowing Bisu to comfortably reach the stage where he shines. I love it! I am thrilled to see more of Soma in the Ro4. And the fact that he's an amateur lacking the pro-background - oh so tasty!
The subject-matter of the art of living is each person's own life.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8051 Posts
April 07 2020 11:38 GMT
#300
On April 07 2020 20:36 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
time to learn Soma builds and win zvp

You already know how to 1sh2sh3sh4sz
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
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