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[ASL5] Ro8 Shuttle vs Rain
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Miragee
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Alpha-NP-
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orvinreyes
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Creepy perv fighting! | ||
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phosphorylation
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two games on semi island map and a game on a full on island map | ||
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Miragee
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On April 22 2018 12:53 orvinreyes wrote: Creepy perv vs Nice guy. Hmm. Creepy perv fighting! What? | ||
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superjoppe
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On April 22 2018 11:43 Miragee wrote: Rooting for Shuttle after his Ro16 performance! He's great at PvZ, but can he really beat Rain in PvP? Doubt it. | ||
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LongShot27
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Miragee
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On April 22 2018 15:41 superjoppe wrote: He's great at PvZ, but can he really beat Rain in PvP? Doubt it. Depends very much on how seriously Rain takes his practice. If he slacks, Shuttle may very well win this. Rain's performance in the Ro16 looked quite shaky at times. If you want, take a look at the preview for this round (in the Featured News). It has a statistic showing the PvP winrate of both and they are similar. Apparently PvP is Shuttle's strongest MU atm. | ||
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Wonk
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On April 22 2018 15:56 LongShot27 wrote: Anyone know who's replacing Tasteless? Huh? Is Tasteless not casting tonight? I can't find info on this anywhere. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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LongShot27
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On April 22 2018 16:31 Wonk wrote: Huh? Is Tasteless not casting tonight? I can't find info on this anywhere. He said he was cutting off his cats balls during GSL yesterday | ||
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LongShot27
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On April 22 2018 17:10 BLinD-RawR wrote: its our pal rapid. MEME MACHINE STATUS: ONLINE | ||
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PVJ
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PVJ
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On April 22 2018 17:57 LongShot27 wrote: He said he was cutting off his cats balls during GSL yesterday What? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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hes getting his cat neutered | ||
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LongShot27
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That's what I said | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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sometimes how you say it matters too. | ||
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LongShot27
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Semantics are the tools of buttholes | ||
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LongShot27
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On April 22 2018 19:12 reincremate wrote: I predict Shuttle 3-1. Shuttle is great at PvP and most likely had more preparation, which will make a different on these maps. Rain in a 3-2 | ||
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r.Evo
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Mind: Rain 3-1 | ||
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bovienchien
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Skeny
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Shuttle hwaiting! | ||
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BlackJack
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On April 22 2018 19:38 reincremate wrote: Rain's 5th coming up at the same time as Shuttle's 4th. Shuttle finally scouting hidden 3rd base. the game ended 5 minutes ago, mate. Could do without the play-by-play. | ||
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phosphorylation
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seems different than whats been said earlier | ||
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reincremate
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On April 22 2018 19:41 BlackJack wrote: the game ended 5 minutes ago, mate. Could do without the play-by-play. lol my bad. my stream is apparently 5 minutes behind | ||
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RKC
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Talk about losing battles to win the war! | ||
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xccam
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On April 22 2018 19:48 RKC wrote: Rain did take some bad engagements from bad positions. But it's probably part of his larger strategy to make them appear as desperation moves from a player behind, and also to keep Shuttle away from his hidden expo. If he had sat back and try to macro safely, that would've given the initative to Shuttle to control the game an equalize his economic advantage. Talk about losing battles to win the war! I think you're reading too much into things there. | ||
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xccam
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r.Evo
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On April 22 2018 19:53 xccam wrote: What on earth - what was happening at rain's ramp to stop him reacting for so long to that reaver? He split two goons to defend against the drop but that wasn't nearly enough. | ||
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Jackal03
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RHoudini
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On April 22 2018 19:50 xccam wrote: I think you're reading too much into things there. I don't think so. Rain's strategy was to force some engagements, even if they would be sligly advantageous for Shuttle. | ||
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Jackal03
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chrisolo
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User was warned for this post | ||
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xccam
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On April 22 2018 19:55 RHoudini wrote: I don't think so. Rain's strategy was to force some engagements, even if they would be sligly advantageous for Shuttle. Yes, to trade armies because he has more economy - I don't think the idea was to appear desperate and behind. Either way, in game 2 Rain's response to that first drop was ridiculously bad. It was like he didn't notice the drop was already in his mineral line until 15 probes were dead. | ||
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TaardadAiel
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On April 22 2018 19:57 chrisolo wrote: That was so bad from Rain, could have been matchfixing lmao. Please don't bring such stuff up, even in jest, we cannot afford to discuss it. but yea, it was that bad. | ||
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xccam
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On April 22 2018 19:57 chrisolo wrote: That was so bad from Rain, could have been matchfixing lmao. You're gonna get warned for this I imagine, but the response was terrible. Everyone makes mistakes though... | ||
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Jackal03
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On April 22 2018 19:57 chrisolo wrote: That was so bad from Rain, could have been matchfixing lmao. Yeah, I tought the same thing, lol. But it was just a brain fart | ||
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chrisolo
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On April 22 2018 19:58 xccam wrote: You're gonna get warned for this I imagine, but the response was terrible. Everyone makes mistakes though... Nope it wasn't, if you play brain afk like this, you can't hope to get a good response to it... | ||
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Abjurer
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xccam
Great Britain1150 Posts
On April 22 2018 20:00 chrisolo wrote: Nope it wasn't, if you play brain afk like this, you can't hope to get a good response to it... Rain's response to the drop, not your comment. | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
So, the dt vs 3 gate vs gate robo into 3 gate gamble now. I love Gladiator for that. | ||
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xccam
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On April 22 2018 20:04 TaardadAiel wrote: I really hope this doesn't scramble Rain's brains and tilt him, I am looking forward to an entertaining series. So, the dt vs 3 gate vs gate robo into 3 gate gamble now. I love Gladiator for that. So far Shuttle's control has seemed MUCH better than Rains across 2 games, if I was him I'd be playing a safe 1 gate robo build. | ||
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xccam
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You catch 3 goons out for a free kill, and then throw down a support bay instead of an observatory... | ||
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letian
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 22 2018 20:13 xccam wrote: PvP was a mistake. if I could frame this I would. | ||
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xccam
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On April 22 2018 20:16 The_Red_Viper wrote: Horrible games but hey Rain is winning I liquibet Rain, but if he qualifies today on the back of this performance he's lucky we can't replace him with the loser of Ro8 match 2. | ||
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Skeny
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xccam
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On April 22 2018 20:18 orvinreyes wrote: Sorry i missed it, what happened in G3? PvP | ||
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TaardadAiel
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We're up for a migraine fest, similar color schemes and mass sair battles with all the shields flashing. | ||
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Jackal03
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xccam
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On April 22 2018 20:37 superjoppe wrote: Yellow vs Orange.. Can't see shit when they're fighting If a unit dies, it was shuttle's. | ||
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Jackal03
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r.Evo
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ilikeredheads
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Malinor
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I assume observers cannot change the colours anymore? How did this even go through. | ||
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Levque
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Jackal03
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realistically, it's impossible for shuttle to win | ||
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oxKnu
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On April 22 2018 20:44 Jackal03 wrote: 4 games, only the first one was worth it I thought the first one was the worst. | ||
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reincremate
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On April 22 2018 20:43 orvinreyes wrote: apparently Rain is better at shuttling stuff than Shuttle He is better at using shuttles to let the units rain down on enemy bases. | ||
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xccam
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wow. | ||
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reincremate
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Well, despite the fact that Rain was ahead for pretty much the entire game, there was at least some chance of Shuttle coming back and some nice engagements in that game, unlike in game 4 where Shuttle just continuously took a beating. Games 2 and 3 were just Rain and Shuttle making bad mistakes respectively. | ||
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MarcoJ
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TaardadAiel
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On April 22 2018 20:48 reincremate wrote: Well, despite the fact that Rain was ahead for pretty much the entire game, there was at least there was some chance of Shuttle coming back in that game and some nice engagements, unlike in game 4 where Shuttle just continuously took a beating. Games 2 and 3 were just Rain and Shuttle making bad mistakes respectively. Pretty much sums it up. But Shuttle's game plan for game 4 was pretty horrid - he invested in two supremely useless dark archons before the first drop into his main; then he used high templar for storm, whereas Rain had a bunch of archons; and somehow he had less sairs in the beginning of the game. And Rain made some great strategic moves in game 1. Transistor is such a tense map, I swear. | ||
Peeano
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Hope Shuttle realizes he's too good to cow into submission. His lack of confidence spiraled into defeat. Rain didn't win this as much as Shuttle lost this.  | ||
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oxKnu
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On April 22 2018 20:48 reincremate wrote: Well, despite the fact that Rain was ahead for pretty much the entire game, there was at least some chance of Shuttle coming back and some nice engagements in that game, unlike in game 4 where Shuttle just continuously took a beating. Games 2 and 3 were just Rain and Shuttle making bad mistakes respectively. There was zero chance of Shuttle of every competing in that game. He had a third of the map unscouted for 10 minutes. It was dreadful stuff to watch. | ||
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RWLabs
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Meanwhile in Ygosu everyone has been given a license to hate Protosses. | ||
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orvinreyes
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On April 22 2018 20:49 MarcoJ wrote: so Rain won by being a trickster. I dont blame him, this was probably his best approach to the series, cause in a long macro game i see shuttle doing way better recently. Game 1 was a macro game, and game 4 too, albeit via shuttle drops. I don't think uncontested hidden bases qualify as being a "trickster", Shuttle has no excuse for poor map awareness and control. | ||
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tanngard
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On April 22 2018 21:29 RWLabs wrote: That was just bad. I feel sorry for people who spent money to watch this live. Meanwhile in Ygosu everyone has been given a license to hate Protosses. There was two pretty alright games and two anticlimactic ones. Nothing too terrible. Why are people overreacting? Why on earth would people hate protoss players just because they dont like pvp? | ||
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RAPiDCasting
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On April 22 2018 21:37 Yoshimi wrote: I spent money to watch this live. It was my first live Brood War game. I guess I should feel bad? The only thing you should feel bad about is not saying hi! | ||
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RAPiDCasting
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On April 22 2018 19:33 StarscreamG1 wrote: Who's the guy casting with artosis? I don't want to be harsh but.... I'm glad you don't want to be harsh but..... | ||
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Alpha-NP-
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TaardadAiel
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On April 23 2018 01:48 Alpha-NP- wrote: I like how in every thread about these tournaments, there are arm chair newbs claiming that the korean pros played horribly. They produced games that were not entertaining and, at least in game 2 and 3, their reactions and control were below their usual standards - and in game 4 Shuttle had a very disadvantageous unit composition. Hindsight is everything, of course, so I don't claim they are horrible, but the series weren't good and this is fact, although subjective. I don't think anyone here is bashing either player or saying they suck. | ||
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FlowerBunny
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On April 23 2018 03:12 nurle wrote: There must be a better caster than Rapid...Im sorry but its getting ridiculous. He is contradicting everyone, including himself while watching the games live ffs. What happened to "if you don't have anything nice to say, better not say anything at all"? We all have different preferences. If you feel like coming with some constructive criticism - feel free, but right now you are just saying stuff that are only designed to make a certain person feel bad. Please keep it to yourself next time sir. I think he is doing a great job, always bringing a lot of energy to the cast and makes it fun to watch! | ||
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BlackJack
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On April 23 2018 01:48 Alpha-NP- wrote: I like how in every thread about these tournaments, there are arm chair newbs claiming that the korean pros played horribly. Pretty much. Just look at all the people calling out Shuttle for not getting obs before reavers in game 3. They didn't say a thing when he did the exact same thing in game 2. It just so happened that Rain went DT in game 3 and Shuttle paid for his attempt, so all these armchair warriors with the benefit of hindsight can look at the result and call Shuttle's build order dumb on the game he lost but not say anything about his build order on the game he won. Obviously Shuttle's decision to omit observers was an intentional gamble in an effort to try to get an army advantage on the 2 maps that have unforgiving ramps if you can push your opponent back into their base. | ||
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Cele
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On April 23 2018 01:48 Alpha-NP- wrote: I like how in every thread about these tournaments, there are arm chair newbs claiming that the korean pros played horribly. I like how you act as if you could judge it any better? From a pro gamer's perspective, your play is only a bit less flawed than the plays of your average 1500 mmr player. None of us is in the position to judge shuttles play because we are better, or even close enough to tell. But the point of a thread like this is to discuss the games, i guess. | ||
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Dazed.
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On April 23 2018 03:12 nurle wrote: Yeah, its nuts. He watches the white army die and declares it the victor, its just...what...There must be a better caster than Rapid...Im sorry but its getting ridiculous. He is contradicting everyone, including himself while watching the games live ffs. | ||
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Miragee
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On April 23 2018 04:52 FlowerBunny wrote: What happened to "if you don't have anything nice to say, better not say anything at all"? That was a thing? :D | ||
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RAPiDCasting
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On April 23 2018 03:12 nurle wrote: There must be a better caster than Rapid...Im sorry but its getting ridiculous. He is contradicting everyone, including himself while watching the games live ffs. There must be a better poster than nurle...Im sorry but its getting ridiculous. He is contradicting everyone, including himself while watching the games live ffs. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
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On April 23 2018 06:36 Dazed. wrote: Yeah, its nuts. He watches the white army die and declares it the victor, its just...what... What was with calling those rain dts '85% cacao dark templars'? I like him for such bizarre commentary | ||
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RAPiDCasting
Korea (South)594 Posts
On April 23 2018 08:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: What was with calling those rain dts '85% cacao dark templars'? I like him for such bizarre commentary They were dark Templar hiding in the shadows. Extra dark. Extra dark chocolate has higher cacao content. | ||
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Miragee
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On April 23 2018 08:34 rapidtransit247 wrote: There must be a better poster than nurle...Im sorry but its getting ridiculous. He is contradicting everyone, including himself while watching the games live ffs. There are better posters. You just continue to reply to the shitty ones somehow. | ||
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ColdLava
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Watching him seemingly confused as to whether he was going to respond to the surprise DT, for instance, by having a couple dragoons in his base, his probes scattering but making themselves available to be killed, while he has another group of units going into the middle of the map accomplishing absolutely nothing was aggravating. Nevermind the fact that he got a robo in the first place made playing safe easy to begin with, which he failed to do. Players like him make me miss when players like Stork, Bisu, or Nal_Ra (among many others) were at the top of their game, where you didn't just respect their talent, but you respected their decision making. (Though, to be fair, sometimes Bisu's decision making let down his talent as well). Besides that, great games! | ||
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ShowTheLights
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I guess I do understand the whole OMG RAIN GIRL STREAMZ but goddamn Rain is a better player in almost every way over Shuttle | ||
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Yoshimi
United States163 Posts
On April 22 2018 23:35 rapidtransit247 wrote: The only thing you should feel bad about is not saying hi! Rip :/ Enjoyed your cast with artosis though! | ||
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darktreb
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On April 23 2018 13:10 ShowTheLights wrote: Can't believe you all thought Rain was going to lose lol I guess I do understand the whole OMG RAIN GIRL STREAMZ but goddamn Rain is a better player in almost every way over Shuttle Yeah, the talent and game sense differential were both on display. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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On April 23 2018 11:49 ColdLava wrote: Shuttle honestly played true to what his reputation was like when Broodwar was still rather mainstream: Someone who has decent mechanics, but lacks the vision and strategy (and honestly, brains) to put it together. Watching him play is incredibly frustrating as it consistently feels like he misreads opponents, under-scouts, has units in incorrect defensive positions, or focuses his attention on actions in the current moment that do not yield results. Watching him seemingly confused as to whether he was going to respond to the surprise DT, for instance, by having a couple dragoons in his base, his probes scattering but making themselves available to be killed, while he has another group of units going into the middle of the map accomplishing absolutely nothing was aggravating. Nevermind the fact that he got a robo in the first place made playing safe easy to begin with, which he failed to do. Players like him make me miss when players like Stork, Bisu, or Nal_Ra (among many others) were at the top of their game, where you didn't just respect their talent, but you respected their decision making. (Though, to be fair, sometimes Bisu's decision making let down his talent as well). Besides that, great games! so, so true... Stork is the perfect example. When you watch his stream, you dont understand why the slow and old Stork manages to hold his own against the very bests, Flash for instance, but then you look at his game deeper, he just understand the game so well and avoid bad decision making. He is not the best anymore and will never be again, but hes the perfect practice protoss for any pro imo. | ||
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RWLabs
Korea (South)273 Posts
On April 22 2018 23:11 tanngard wrote: There was two pretty alright games and two anticlimactic ones. Nothing too terrible. Why are people overreacting? Why on earth would people hate protoss players just because they dont like pvp? Ygosu is not a nice place for nice people. | ||
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On April 24 2018 07:21 Alpha-NP- wrote: Whose favored to win Hero against Mind? Betting sites are currently putting Mind very slightly ahead. | ||
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Barneyk
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The first game was very exciting and Rains strategy of keep losing battles like that to win the war and keep the base hidden was exciting as hell to watch. Game 2 I thought Shuttles pressure on the ramp to distract from the drop was well executed, Rain should've handled it better because a lazy half assed pressure on that tiny ramp shouldn't have distracted him that much and made him that slow to react to the drop, but it did and I thought it was exciting to see. Similar thing with game 3, the build orders were exciting and to see how much damage Rain was gonna be able to get done before the observer got out was also exciting. Not great, but I enjoyed it. Sparkle is so weird and it was fun to watch a PvP play out that way, I really enjoyed it... | ||
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Miragee
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On April 24 2018 10:41 Barneyk wrote: The first game was very exciting and Rains strategy of keep losing battles like that to win the war and keep the base hidden was exciting as hell to watch. I doubt it was his strategy to lose the battles. He was certainly active on the map, which was his plan to protect the hidden base from being scouted, but he lost the fights because of inferior unit positioning. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
On April 23 2018 05:19 BlackJack wrote: Pretty much. Just look at all the people calling out Shuttle for not getting obs before reavers in game 3. They didn't say a thing when he did the exact same thing in game 2. Game 2: Shuttle goes 1 gate --> robo. Going reaver before obs isn't a gamble. Game 3: Shuttle goes 2 gate --> robo. Going reaver before obs is a gamble. And a needless gamble, after he caught out Rain's dragoons. Shuttle-obs-reaver would've put Shuttle in a dominating position no matter what Rain was getting, and Shuttle had time to adjust his build after catching the dragoons, before the DT showed up. He rolled the dice when he didn't need to, and lost the roll. | ||
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