On November 13 2017 04:21 Liquid`Drone wrote: Game two though, he was literally 1 second away from taking that, or even a slight miscontrol on his behalf. If he had killed the scv before the bunker finished, he'd be able to kill the 2 rines before any other scvs could finish it, and then he'd be able to kill a couple more scvs, two depots, one lone tank wouldn't be able to help out without the wall so his expansion would be delayed.. Like it was ridiculously close.
Yeah that was a knife's edge timing. I don't think he quite had enough time to kill the SCV before it finishes the bunker, though. If I calculate correctly, it takes 12 Hydra shots to kill an SCV (60 health, 10*0.5=5 damage per shot), and he only had 5 Hydras there, so he'd need almost 3 volleys. It looks like he didn't even manage 2 volleys (which hit the vulture) before the bunker completed.
All sorts of tiny optimizations mattered for that encounter. Flash did some really nice micro to pull his marines back slightly while the bunker was finishing so that they couldn't be immediately sniped by the hydras.
Here's a link to the VOD at 1:06:01, when the Hydras move out: youtu.be
On November 13 2017 05:22 Burned Toast wrote: Watch the FlashFTW cast of these matches, the guy has a really up to date understanding of the game/maps/strategies. He insisted on how crucial this was, indeed.
I really should, I just rewatched that exacr sequence and he called it just like it was instead of focusing on something else.
Artosis and Tasteless both have far better understanding of the game than I do but they so often fail to mention crucial aspects of what is happening, no matter how obvious it is. Sometimes they call really interesting details that I miss, but just as often they miss huge obvious things.
I almost always watch the games on youtube later in the day with anticipation addon so I don't get spoiled with the duration, but for the next season I think I am gonna go with FlashFTW anyway, I always mess up the spoil the duration for myself somehow anyway.
lol, I also always mess up the anticipation addon because it shows the time for a short period of time and I always look at it... It was the only reason to go for the youtube stream but since I'm a retard and spoil myself either way I can just watch FlashFTW and get the better casting.
On November 12 2017 20:16 chuDr3t4 wrote: all that ruler ruckus reminded me of
Wins in SC2 doesnt count.
pretty much. This is BW we're talking about after all, not SCII.
I have a feeling if FlaSh sticked around with SC2 I think he if not dominate as hard as he is doing today he could be capable of winning more than 1 trophy on that game. He was just too sick from David Kim's non stop nerf & buff & vice versa bullshit so he retired.
Well the game is very volatile compared to BW. Not the better player overall wins always, but too much a sudden moment of luck or storm/beneling hit or whatever or something similar. So even if you play better 99% it can always flip and the better player loses in a second whereas he built up a lead for the whole game. Whatever the reason for that is: units that deal too much damage or are moving too fast to get caught or whatever. Cheese is too strong for some races or there are too many possibilities whereas other races have only so many good openers.
There is a huge difference to BW as far as I can see it: battles last longer and even if you lose one in a very bad way, you always have a very realistic chance to come back, whereas in SC2 its more realistic that you get rolled over. That volatile game design was, what made me quit playing and watching the game, since it was always a pain and I lost many games where I was the "better" player but lost because of a single big mistake and couldn't defend the then overwhelming opponent -whereas I can do that in BW.
This is common sentiment of BW fans but it's completely ignorant of the reality in SC2 competition. If the game is so volatile, why do upset of koreans by foreigners almost never happen? Why is the top players in tourneys always the same people?
The previous post which is quoted here is also absurd. Flash just wasn't a top player in SC2. It wasn't "david kim's" fault, he just wasn't as good in it as he was in BW and a lot of his fame came from the hype around his BW results.
If the game isn't so volatile, how come BO1 is never played, but only BO3, BO5 - and all finals (to my admittedly limited knowledge) are BO7?
On November 13 2017 04:21 Liquid`Drone wrote: Game two though, he was literally 1 second away from taking that, or even a slight miscontrol on his behalf. If he had killed the scv before the bunker finished, he'd be able to kill the 2 rines before any other scvs could finish it, and then he'd be able to kill a couple more scvs, two depots, one lone tank wouldn't be able to help out without the wall so his expansion would be delayed.. Like it was ridiculously close.
Yeah that was a knife's edge timing. I don't think he quite had enough time to kill the SCV before it finishes the bunker, though. If I calculate correctly, it takes 12 Hydra shots to kill an SCV (60 health, 10*0.5=5 damage per shot), and he only had 5 Hydras there, so he'd need almost 3 volleys. It looks like he didn't even manage 2 volleys (which hit the vulture) before the bunker completed.
All sorts of tiny optimizations mattered for that encounter. Flash did some really nice micro to pull his marines back slightly while the bunker was finishing so that they couldn't be immediately sniped by the hydras.
Here's a link to the VOD at 1:06:01, when the Hydras move out: youtu.be
yeah I think it might not have been possible for him to get it at his timing either, but if he was there literally 1 second earlier and targeted the scv right away, he would have been. It was sooo close, and I think most likely game deciding.
Flash is similar to Klitschko brothers. He/they reached greatest heights in BW/boxing, but to the (arguably) boring styles of play (playing Terran, methodical, almost computer-like approach/distance jabs) and overwhelming dominance, not too many people actually care. I dare to say that Flash's dominance is detrimental for BW. Let's see where do we go from here.
On November 13 2017 09:40 Rainalcar wrote: Flash is similar to Klitschko brothers. He/they reached greatest heights in BW/boxing, but to the (arguably) boring styles of play (playing Terran, methodical, almost computer-like approach/distance jabs) and overwhelming dominance, not too many people actually care. I dare to say that Flash's dominance is detrimental for BW. Let's see where do we go from here.
I agree. I think most people would agree that having one person being so good means the beauty of the game remains 'hidden' because the games are such rolls.
On November 13 2017 04:03 PVJ wrote: I wasn't able to watch the whole show, was there any news / announcement on ASL 5?
Based on the lack of threads / comments, I guess not but anyone could confirm that would be great.
No announcement or plans
FBH said if there is no sign like that, it means there is no asl in planning
I hope this is not true.
Sadly, it makes sense. JD and Bisu not competing means there's less chance of someone challenging Flash. ASL5 would be like a teacher competing vs students in school... heck, even the studio for the finals wasn't nearly full.
They COULD make a new type of show that would somehow build it's intrigue, suspense and thrill on the fact that Flash IS such a dominant figure. Make him the guy to 'decapitate'... some type of new vibe show.
On November 13 2017 05:22 Burned Toast wrote: Watch the FlashFTW cast of these matches, the guy has a really up to date understanding of the game/maps/strategies. He insisted on how crucial this was, indeed.
I really should, I just rewatched that exacr sequence and he called it just like it was instead of focusing on something else.
Artosis and Tasteless both have far better understanding of the game than I do but they so often fail to mention crucial aspects of what is happening, no matter how obvious it is. Sometimes they call really interesting details that I miss, but just as often they miss huge obvious things.
I almost always watch the games on youtube later in the day with anticipation addon so I don't get spoiled with the duration, but for the next season I think I am gonna go with FlashFTW anyway, I always mess up the spoil the duration for myself somehow anyway.
d-do i tell him that I'm retiring from ASL casting? O.O
On November 13 2017 09:40 Rainalcar wrote: Flash is similar to Klitschko brothers. He/they reached greatest heights in BW/boxing, but to the (arguably) boring styles of play (playing Terran, methodical, almost computer-like approach/distance jabs) and overwhelming dominance, not too many people actually care. I dare to say that Flash's dominance is detrimental for BW. Let's see where do we go from here.
I agree. I think most people would agree that having one person being so good means the beauty of the game remains 'hidden' because the games are such rolls.
On November 13 2017 04:03 PVJ wrote: I wasn't able to watch the whole show, was there any news / announcement on ASL 5?
Based on the lack of threads / comments, I guess not but anyone could confirm that would be great.
No announcement or plans
FBH said if there is no sign like that, it means there is no asl in planning
I hope this is not true.
Sadly, it makes sense. JD and Bisu not competing means there's less chance of someone challenging Flash. ASL5 would be like a teacher competing vs students in school... heck, even the studio for the finals wasn't nearly full.
They COULD make a new type of show that would somehow build it's intrigue, suspense and thrill on the fact that Flash IS such a dominant figure. Make him the guy to 'decapitate'... some type of new vibe show.
I also agree with this sentiment that too dominant of a player does indeed make the games unfun to watch. As much as I love FlaSh, it's exciting when he has this rival that can stand up to him and have a good chance of upsetting him. When he loses, everyone loses their heads and everyone is cheering for the underdog because he's been at the top for so long. Really wished Larva or SK met him in the finals, I think it would have been extremely competitive but alas, no dice.
On November 13 2017 09:40 Rainalcar wrote: Flash is similar to Klitschko brothers. He/they reached greatest heights in BW/boxing, but to the (arguably) boring styles of play (playing Terran, methodical, almost computer-like approach/distance jabs) and overwhelming dominance, not too many people actually care. I dare to say that Flash's dominance is detrimental for BW. Let's see where do we go from here.
On November 13 2017 12:07 Miragee wrote: You won't do any more ASL casts? o.O
No. Sadly people grow up and life has more responsibilities for you. I need to apply to law school soon and take my LSATs. Which means time for starcraft and casting has become almost 0. I'll try to do some casts on my youtube here or there but for official casts, I'm going to need to take a step back. Hopefully more talent can develop and keep the scene going though. I remember when Bisudagger first brought me onto the casts and it helped me grow tremendously and then he left and I brought Esportsjohn. The cycle continues friend. Also I have a really good replacement for myself who has top notch analysis that makes mine look weak in comparison.
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