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On October 15 2017 21:35 EsportsJohn wrote:
As a Protoss player, you can't let Zerg just sit back and macro off 4 bases because eventually the cracklings will just eat you alive, especially with how Larva was consistently using ling runbys, drops, etc.
I just cant see it. Cracklings are imba and zerg has more mobility from mass drops. But with reavers and stoms, I cant see how Z can trade more efficiently than P when the latter isnt trying to charge into a well defended area. Equal bases I dont think one has a distinct advantage over the other. At least not so much that its do or die I have to break you or I lose for sure.
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why are you guys talking about compositions? this ain't sc2
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Maybe Zergs are more gas-efficient in late-game trades? A Protoss army filled with HTs and reavers needs a shitload of gas, that's for sure.
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To me Rain's real mistake was relying on small shuttle drops for way too long. A full-army recall could have easily ended the game or atleast swing the game into Rain's favor if used earlier.
That being said, Larva played absolutely fantastic and there's no denying he may just be the very best Z right now. So what is there to complain about? It was an amazing series.
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I was pretty surprised by how one sided this was. Does Bisu have a better chance to knockout Flash than Jaedong's 2-3 versus Flash in ASL2?
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On October 15 2017 21:16 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:zesagi??
zvp has always been broken lol. only bisu can consistently win in that mu
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What a fantastic series. Larva held so many times by the skin of his teeth, unbelievable. Rain made some errors but I don't feel like he played super bad. Larva was just a bit superior and edged it out in the end. I'm super impressed by Larvas' concentration throughout the longer games. It felt like he never slipped up with the multitasking, which is incredible hard, especially in games that almost reach the 40 minute mark.
On October 15 2017 23:59 Alpha-NP- wrote:
I was pretty surprised by how one sided this was. Does Bisu have a better chance to knockout Flash than Jaedong's 2-3 versus Flash in ASL2?
I think Bisu got a chance, yes. He is in better shape than Jaedong and has a similar mindset. Most people are too impressed by Flash when they play him. Too much respect makes you play worse. Bisu and Jaedong don't have that problem.
On October 15 2017 22:05 duke91 wrote:
why are you guys talking about compositions? this ain't sc2
But composition is quite important in PvZ for the P...
On October 16 2017 01:23 yOngKIN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 21:16 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:On October 15 2017 21:14 t2azor wrote:
lol ZvP looks broken zesagi?? zvp has always been broken lol. only bisu can consistently win in that mu
Bisu was ahead of everyone in that MU but I would argue that some other protoss players had good PvZ. Stork and Movie for example. Especially Stork, even if it didn't seem like it compared to his other MU's.
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On October 15 2017 16:23 usopsama wrote:![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/uooKPsq.jpg) 2.5 more hours to go. I can't wait.
Oops.
On October 13 2017 06:13 usopsama wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 05:09 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:On October 13 2017 04:44 Alpha-NP- wrote:
The ro8 has Larva against Rain. Does Larva actually have a chance? I like him in that he is the good villain. Only I don't wanna tune in if Rain is going to newb smack him in a blowout. I think he is favoured vs Rain actually, especially given his ro16 performance Larva's coin-flipping zvz results in the RO16 makes him favorable against Rain? What the fuck are you talking about? Larva isn't even that good.
Next time, consider watching some streams and paying attention to how players are playing before you post a bunch of ignorant stuff. Being an anti-fan or fan is all good, and I fully encourage it, but when you post stuff as off base as "Larva isn't even that good" combined with the audacity to insult other posters, that's not cool. Especially when it comes from a place of total ignorance.
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On October 15 2017 21:27 Essbee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 21:26 traxamillion wrote:
Yea maybe the Ling + drone drill he maybe coulda sniffed out, but who proxy hatches? Haven't seen that in the last couple hundred games I've watched (closest was shine on Andromeda in his quarterfinal last season but that was mid/lategame). Sick hard counter to the ramp block Shine proxy hatched flash in the finals
Yea he did kinda but it was at a resource base and he droned there so it was more of a hidden expo with dual purpose of facilitating the slow drop
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"Larva isn't even that good"
LuL
Put your foot in your mouth brah
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On October 15 2017 22:05 duke91 wrote:
why are you guys talking about compositions? this ain't sc2
I'm confused by this statement on multiple levels. What units are being built is a pretty universally important part of RTS games lol, not something that SC2 came up with.
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On October 15 2017 23:59 Alpha-NP- wrote:
I was pretty surprised by how one sided this was. Does Bisu have a better chance to knockout Flash than Jaedong's 2-3 versus Flash in ASL2?
Let's not get that far ahead of ourselves. That series wasn't THAT one sided. Rain crushed Larva game 2 (admittedly in part because Larva got way overconfident with his attack at Rain's third), and game 3 was a very close game. Larva had 3 times at least where he was in definite danger of losing. Same with game 4 really, both that elevator and the point where Rain stormed the nat and had DTs go noticed while Larva was attacking Rain's 3' could have been bad. I thought Rain was in an OK spot after that to be honest, but then he got a little crazy trying to break Larva then and there.
On October 15 2017 21:19 jtan wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say Rain was outplayed in the series, and even less fair to complain about the state of pvz. Crossing fields was cheese, on Gladiator Rain was dominating, and the Goldrush game could have gone either way.
Way too far the other way.
For Game 1, getting cheesed IS getting outplayed. You don't lose without getting outplayed. He knew something was up, couldn't sniff it out and didn't make the right decisions to defend. Flat out didn't play well enough to win.
Game 2 Rain outplayed Larva, I actually thought both were playing VERY well up until Larva's blunder of an overextension at Rain's third. Larva's hydra movements and threat was absolutely insane, some of the best movement I've seen in a long time, and Rain's defense was impeccable. I don't think Larva picked off a single templar with all of that. Unfortunately for what could have been a great game, Larva went and blundered massively attacking Rain's third. He went from a comfortable, even game to getting rolled over. Dumb decision by Larva, and thus he was brutally outplayed by Rain.
Game 3 was close between both. Larva won primarily because his defense was too damn good. Rain tried and tried to harass, but Larva was incredibly on top of it. He missed almost nothing out of what must have been 30+ harass attempts. His scourge positioning and control were about as good as you can imagine. Rain tried hard, and was ahead early on, but Larva's defense was close to "out of this world" good and he thus went on to win.
Game 4, similar story. Larva's defense was incredible. Holding your natural against a giant army while getting elevatored at the same time without even losing drones. That was a jaw dropper, as were some of those drone blocks against zealots. Larva's one blunder was when he went for Rain's third (only a minor blunder in itself imo) and got too focused on that attack thus letting his natural get stormed and DTs go to town on his main. After that, Rain was in a pretty good spot, but then for some reason he also blundered with a huge overextension to kill Larva. After that Larva was way ahead, especially since Rain did a terrible job of blocking expansions at 12' and 9', and all he could really do was try and try to break, but Larva was far enough ahead at that point Rain never had a chance.
On October 16 2017 01:38 Miragee wrote:
What a fantastic series. Larva held so many times by the skin of his teeth, unbelievable. Rain made some errors but I don't feel like he played super bad. Larva was just a bit superior and edged it out in the end. I'm super impressed by Larvas' concentration throughout the longer games. It felt like he never slipped up with the multitasking, which is incredible hard, especially in games that almost reach the 40 minute mark.
This I feel is spot on. It was a good series, and the level from both was high; though neither played perfect. Many close moments, and the multitasking by Larva absolutely agree with.
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Dohsairs and too few observers lost Rain the series.
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Russian Federation19 Posts
I wish someone who knows Korean could translate a bit what was in this on & off segment after the second map. Was it just banter or some interesting moments there?
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
Larva, your next ASL champion.
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FUCK Larva and FUCK PvZ
Up 80 supply in Game 3 and 4, can't do shit vs Zerg.
Wow I played much better than my opponent for the first 20 minutes of the game to get to 80 supply up, guess I can't do anything
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On October 16 2017 03:49 ShowTheLights wrote:
FUCK Larva and FUCK PvZ
Up 80 supply in Game 3 and 4, can't do shit vs Zerg.
Wow I played much better than my opponent for the first 20 minutes of the game to get to 80 supply up, guess I can't do anything The mature way to think about is this: being up 80 supply in a pvz is not really that large of an advantage [in certain contexts]. Your not 'playing well to be up 80 supply' if that supply advantage is a gimme.
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That was a nice series. I d like to see bisu vs larva.
Rain played well but made a couple of bad decisions while larva was an absolute beast (except in game 2)
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Man Larva is such an incredible defender. So many times I thought he was going to lose but somehow he'd hang in there... Game 4 did it really come down to just losing observers every time? I thought that with the amount of drone kills that surely Rain was going to pull ahead. But somehow he kept failing to break through.
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