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_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-20 18:22:46
October 20 2017 18:16 GMT
#441
On October 19 2017 13:14 mcmascote wrote:
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On October 16 2017 08:29 _Animus_ wrote:
watching game 3 and i feel a bit funny for all the people who was trying to convince me Larva is the man to take down Flash.
Larva almost constantly on even bases with protoss, how that can be a macro zerg who will beat flash in BO series lol

LOL. You again?

Do you realize that ZvP and ZvT are completely different match ups?

Nowadays Larva's best MU is ZvT (relatively, considering ZvP is easier for the Z). His ZvP is good but his main style of play doesn't match well against a dynamic toss that keeps harassing you on multiple fronts without missing macro rotations and keep his micro at the best level (basically, Rain and Bisu).

Still, in the last game after almost breaking Larva's 3rd base Rain then elevated 8 zeas on Larva's main while attacking his natural and miraculously Larva held that attack. It was amazing. He kept lossing drones at the end of Rain's attempts to break the natural and he managed to keep himself in the game.

Anyways, I remember in the first thread I think there was esportsjohn or his partner saying Light was favorite over Larva; Now, He's already at the r4. Only lost 1 game, IIRC.I said it back then and I kept saying throughout this season that Larva had become a S Level player. And I said that if people play standard against him, they will probably lose on the new maps. And seeing Flash's stream, he's not playing the standard fast expo - 5rax +1 into mech switch against Larva.

On some maps he's not switching to mech at all and on others he opens up with valks or wraiths/ports to keep larva at bay and make he loses scourges to set up some big drops later on and only then make the switch. But on most games he's not playing his standard and so the called "imba" style against freaking larva.

Now, lets hope he doesn't lose to Hero in the pathetic zvz semifinal. Because if hes doesn't choke, he's gonna put up a show against Flash.

(drops are his weakness right now, but considering how he was fast reacting against Rain he's prolly way too focused offline to get caught off guard

IF soulkey was not choking he had full potential to win vs hero, If last season mind was not choking he was about to break flash at ro16, and if soulkey didnt choked he wouldve killed flash dropships with scourges and win the series in ro4 instead of buging them out, many if's, but just talking is not enough, i need to see larva go up on stage and perform at least on soulkey level against Flash.
btw with all that Larva hype hasnt anyone noticed how Soulkey did 10 times better job vs Rain than Larva in any of his games? He left no chance for rain to win making it pretty onesided game.
Luv ya BroodWar!
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
October 21 2017 22:49 GMT
#442
How about that Bisu vs Killer hype? I have been impressed with Killer. He'll lose but his play has been very solid. I wouldn't care if he won because Flash's next 2 rounds would be TvZ. More fun to watch.
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2553 Posts
October 22 2017 01:44 GMT
#443
I actually think Killer vs Bisu will be S tier from both side. Let's not forget that Killer was potentially the best zerg in the post kespa scene for a while before leaving for army. I'm sure he has been getting back in shape since his last games (which shown us he was obviously rusty, but still capable of great plays)
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8714 Posts
October 22 2017 03:31 GMT
#444
On October 22 2017 10:44 sM.Zik wrote:
I actually think Killer vs Bisu will be S tier from both side. Let's not forget that Killer was potentially the best zerg in the post kespa scene for a while before leaving for army. I'm sure he has been getting back in shape since his last games (which shown us he was obviously rusty, but still capable of great plays)


The level of play in the direct post era of Kespa was also much lower. Killer dominated because there was nobody around except for Sea.
kidcrash
Profile Joined September 2009
United States624 Posts
October 22 2017 03:42 GMT
#445
After watching this series, I think a glaring problem from rain was losing too many sairs. I understand you want big pay off from them early but keeping them alive as long as possible can have huge benefits late game. They could protect his obs and make dt so much more effective.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-24 08:54:17
October 24 2017 08:52 GMT
#446
On October 22 2017 12:31 Miragee wrote:
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On October 22 2017 10:44 sM.Zik wrote:
I actually think Killer vs Bisu will be S tier from both side. Let's not forget that Killer was potentially the best zerg in the post kespa scene for a while before leaving for army. I'm sure he has been getting back in shape since his last games (which shown us he was obviously rusty, but still capable of great plays)


The level of play in the direct post era of Kespa was also much lower. Killer dominated because there was nobody around except for Sea.

Yup, Killer was a shining beacon in the darkest age of Starcraft, but now there are massive floodlights of players outshining him. Even Shine is probably shinier than Killer and his name probably doesn't even have anything to do with it. As much as I love Mini-dong, it has to be admitted that he has always been a tier or two below the top players.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 24 2017 11:30 GMT
#447
On October 24 2017 17:52 reincremate wrote:
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On October 22 2017 12:31 Miragee wrote:
On October 22 2017 10:44 sM.Zik wrote:
I actually think Killer vs Bisu will be S tier from both side. Let's not forget that Killer was potentially the best zerg in the post kespa scene for a while before leaving for army. I'm sure he has been getting back in shape since his last games (which shown us he was obviously rusty, but still capable of great plays)


The level of play in the direct post era of Kespa was also much lower. Killer dominated because there was nobody around except for Sea.

Yup, Killer was a shining beacon in the darkest age of Starcraft, but now there are massive floodlights of players outshining him. Even Shine is probably shinier than Killer and his name probably doesn't even have anything to do with it. As much as I love Mini-dong, it has to be admitted that he has always been a tier or two below the top players.

Killer has been in the military and just recently came out. Give him time to regain his form. Afaik, he was making Ro8 towards the end of pro-BW so he's got the skills for it. He's also one of the only zergs, aside from JD that showed double mutalisk control in a casted game and beat Last with it in SSL.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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