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[ASL3] Ro8 Mong vs Shine - Page 16

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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
May 16 2017 18:10 GMT
#301
On May 17 2017 02:35 M2 wrote:
Why is everyone assuming that Flash is a given finalist? Going through Last and Soulkey does not look so free to me



Last -> Flash, that's my prediction here. I think Last is just the better tvt player atm.
Broodwar for life!
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8575 Posts
May 16 2017 18:16 GMT
#302
On May 17 2017 02:35 M2 wrote:
Why is everyone assuming that Flash is a given finalist? Going through Last and Soulkey does not look so free to me


Usual flash-is-god-so-he-wins yadayada... Of course he is the favourite but he may very well lose vs Last.
Arrian
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States889 Posts
May 16 2017 18:41 GMT
#303
On May 17 2017 02:35 M2 wrote:
Why is everyone assuming that Flash is a given finalist? Going through Last and Soulkey does not look so free to me


Because he's pretty much the best player ever to play the game...and it's a lot easier to remember how awesome he was than to look at the momentary glimpses of Last, Soulkey and say that they can even touch the Ultimate Weapon. The only one who's got a shot is BeSt. His PvT is very good, but his PvZ is putrid and he'll probably lose to Soulkey.

In sum, Flash is Flash, 'nuff said.
Writersator arepo tenet opera rotas
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-16 18:49:48
May 16 2017 18:49 GMT
#304
And some people still think starcraft is not a strategy game but just a game of measuring how fast you can click...
Glad Shine proves them wrong !

It also shows that all this balance whining is just non-sense, you can play differently, in a lot of ways.
Mong didn't play very well (that wall in game 4 with the scvs behind...) but playing against this kind of well prepared cheese is reaaaaally though.

Talking about game4 I really wonder what was Mongs plan for the rest of the game, he was sitting on 3 bases (2gas) and not doing much ? Was he happy because Shine hadn't taken any expansion ? Did he want to switch to mech ? Or was he preparing a very late push ? I really don't know what he was doing.
ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
May 16 2017 18:57 GMT
#305
On May 17 2017 03:41 Arrian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2017 02:35 M2 wrote:
Why is everyone assuming that Flash is a given finalist? Going through Last and Soulkey does not look so free to me


Because he's pretty much the best player ever to play the game...and it's a lot easier to remember how awesome he was than to look at the momentary glimpses of Last, Soulkey and say that they can even touch the Ultimate Weapon. The only one who's got a shot is BeSt. His PvT is very good, but his PvZ is putrid and he'll probably lose to Soulkey.

In sum, Flash is Flash, 'nuff said.

Last has the best chance, he went 3-0 in ASL1 and Flash was already in very good form. Best and Bisu (and even Soulkey) have Outsider and Andromeda, so without Camelot double map it's absolutely doable. That said, all of them are underdogs of course.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 16 2017 19:19 GMT
#306
On May 17 2017 03:57 ortseam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2017 03:41 Arrian wrote:
On May 17 2017 02:35 M2 wrote:
Why is everyone assuming that Flash is a given finalist? Going through Last and Soulkey does not look so free to me


Because he's pretty much the best player ever to play the game...and it's a lot easier to remember how awesome he was than to look at the momentary glimpses of Last, Soulkey and say that they can even touch the Ultimate Weapon. The only one who's got a shot is BeSt. His PvT is very good, but his PvZ is putrid and he'll probably lose to Soulkey.

In sum, Flash is Flash, 'nuff said.

Last has the best chance, he went 3-0 in ASL1 and Flash was already in very good form. Best and Bisu (and even Soulkey) have Outsider and Andromeda, so without Camelot double map it's absolutely doable. That said, all of them are underdogs of course.

Pretty much. I think Last can actually beat Flash. Not 3-0 of course, maybe 3-1 or 3-2. Regardless, it'll be really intense. Flash might be solid and the GOAT but Last is just as great of a player at the moment and has been keeping up with him in rankings for the last good year or so. Also, not sure how many posters remember but Last's TvT is one of his strong matchups. It's actually amazing to see how he has grown since the SSL days. I'm talking drastic improvements.

His TvT was solid back then to the point where he rode it to the finals while his TvP/Z needed work. I remember back when he lost to Guemchi's forge FE and Kwarno's zerg on Sin Peaks of Baedu in SSL10. I was not impressed with his matchups other than TvT but he's made such a turnaround these last couple of years. If Last beats Flash, I think he has a shot at the finals but there's always a chance that BeSt will become the macro monster he was last season (if he beats SK) or that SK will upset him much like ATB finals. Then there always Bisu (if he beats Shine) or Shine who I wouldn't hesitate to call a monster at series' preparation.

Basically, Last is one of the contenders for top players atm and I think Flash fans should be a bit concerned about him facing Last. I could go on and on... Anyways, for me, there's a great storyline to write about if any of the players win the finals and I'm expecting some intense games (except BeSt vs SK, that might be a stomp unless BeSt pulls off the same form during hero last ASL) so all good :D
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
May 16 2017 19:24 GMT
#307
Give me Bisu vs Flash for the finals and I'll be happy.
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
May 16 2017 19:25 GMT
#308
Yeah, I'm sort of disappointed that Last vs. Flash is in the quarterfinals, just like I was disappointed that Flash vs. JD was in the semis last season. Feels a lot more like a finals matchup.
Arrian
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States889 Posts
May 16 2017 19:28 GMT
#309
On May 17 2017 04:19 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2017 03:57 ortseam wrote:
On May 17 2017 03:41 Arrian wrote:
On May 17 2017 02:35 M2 wrote:
Why is everyone assuming that Flash is a given finalist? Going through Last and Soulkey does not look so free to me


Because he's pretty much the best player ever to play the game...and it's a lot easier to remember how awesome he was than to look at the momentary glimpses of Last, Soulkey and say that they can even touch the Ultimate Weapon. The only one who's got a shot is BeSt. His PvT is very good, but his PvZ is putrid and he'll probably lose to Soulkey.

In sum, Flash is Flash, 'nuff said.

Last has the best chance, he went 3-0 in ASL1 and Flash was already in very good form. Best and Bisu (and even Soulkey) have Outsider and Andromeda, so without Camelot double map it's absolutely doable. That said, all of them are underdogs of course.

Pretty much. I think Last can actually beat Flash. Not 3-0 of course, maybe 3-1 or 3-2. Regardless, it'll be really intense. Flash might be solid and the GOAT but Last is just as great of a player at the moment and has been keeping up with him in rankings for the last good year or so. Also, not sure how many posters remember but Last's TvT is one of his strong matchups. It's actually amazing to see how he has grown since the SSL days. I'm talking drastic improvements.

His TvT was solid back then to the point where he rode it to the finals while his TvP/Z needed work. I remember back when he lost to Guemchi's forge FE and Kwarno's zerg on Sin Peaks of Baedu in SSL10. I was not impressed with his matchups other than TvT but he's made such a turnaround these last couple of years. If Last beats Flash, I think he has a shot at the finals but there's always a chance that BeSt will become the macro monster he was last season (if he beats SK) or that SK will upset him much like ATB finals. Then there always Bisu (if he beats Shine) or Shine who I wouldn't hesitate to call a monster at series' preparation.

Basically, Last is one of the contenders for top players atm and I think Flash fans should be a bit concerned about him facing Last. I could go on and on... Anyways, for me, there's a great storyline to write about if any of the players win the finals and I'm expecting some intense games (except BeSt vs SK, that might be a stomp unless BeSt pulls off the same form during hero last ASL) so all good :D


You have a lot more faith in Last's TvT than I do. I will admit Last's TvZ is currently monstrous and I don't think there's a Zerg around who could best him in a Bo5 (and watching streams, it might be worse than I'm even letting on) but Flash might have the best TvT in BW history. I know anything can happen in a Bo5, but my intuition is screaming that it'll be a 3-1 victory for Lee Young Ho.
Writersator arepo tenet opera rotas
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10682 Posts
May 16 2017 19:34 GMT
#310
Handsome toss Bisu for the win
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-16 19:53:29
May 16 2017 19:42 GMT
#311
In the last few monthly sponmatch reports, Flash > Last, so Flash is the favorite against Last. That 3-0 was just a one time thing imo. Last is very good though, and can certainly win or give Flash a run for his money.

On May 17 2017 03:49 RouaF wrote:
It also shows that all this balance whining is just non-sense, you can play differently, in a lot of ways.


It's not nonsense, TvZ winrate post-kespa is 60%. It's very hard to play vs 5rax into mech. What Shine pulled off is very hard to do consistently and repeatedly. Once people are aware of his tricky ways, they'll be less susceptible to them.

I'm also not sure he could have pulled off something like that against Flash and Last, or some other terrans, for example.

Can't wait for Bisu vs Shine. Bisu's worst nightmare is coming. :D
All candles lit within him, and there was purity. | First auto-promoted BW LP editor.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
May 16 2017 19:46 GMT
#312
Everyone is like: Bottom Bracket? Yeah Flash or Last, maybe Soulkey, is going through. Meanwhile I'm sitting here and I know BeSt is gonna be ASL3 champion
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-16 19:54:39
May 16 2017 19:54 GMT
#313
Holy shit i just finished watching these games. That was amazing!

lol - the polls for game 1,2 and 4 are all unanimous. Shine is my new hero.
raff100
Profile Joined April 2011
498 Posts
May 16 2017 20:15 GMT
#314
Both ro8 series were awesome
NickHotS
Profile Joined May 2014
United States105 Posts
May 16 2017 20:47 GMT
#315
If you guys missed this series, you have to check out the VODs. Most entertaining series of the year for me.
kaspa84
Profile Joined July 2016
Brazil169 Posts
May 16 2017 21:21 GMT
#316
On May 16 2017 19:35 Arvendilin wrote:
How great would it be if SHINE ended this series with a proxy Nydus?

That would be my personal fanfiction lol


You're a prophet. English casters said that they knew of no game like the last one...
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
May 16 2017 21:32 GMT
#317
On May 17 2017 02:35 M2 wrote:
Why is everyone assuming that Flash is a given finalist? Going through Last and SoulkeyBest does not look so free to me

KTY
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
May 16 2017 21:34 GMT
#318
On May 17 2017 06:32 Xxio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2017 02:35 M2 wrote:
Why is everyone assuming that Flash is a given finalist? Going through Last and SoulkeyBest does not look so free to me


Thank you
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
May 16 2017 21:52 GMT
#319
Just watched the series

You magnificent bastard
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5167 Posts
May 16 2017 21:52 GMT
#320
On May 17 2017 06:21 kaspa84 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 19:35 Arvendilin wrote:
How great would it be if SHINE ended this series with a proxy Nydus?

That would be my personal fanfiction lol


You're a prophet. English casters said that they knew of no game like the last one...

Then you're very likely listening to the wrong English casters. I'm pretty sure any BW fan who kept up a little bit knows about the following game: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/120822_Flash_vs_Shine/vod
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