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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On May 17 2017 02:35 M2 wrote: Why is everyone assuming that Flash is a given finalist? Going through Last and Soulkey does not look so free to me Last -> Flash, that's my prediction here. I think Last is just the better tvt player atm. | ||
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Miragee
8714 Posts
On May 17 2017 02:35 M2 wrote: Why is everyone assuming that Flash is a given finalist? Going through Last and Soulkey does not look so free to me Usual flash-is-god-so-he-wins yadayada... Of course he is the favourite but he may very well lose vs Last. | ||
Arrian
United States889 Posts
On May 17 2017 02:35 M2 wrote: Why is everyone assuming that Flash is a given finalist? Going through Last and Soulkey does not look so free to me Because he's pretty much the best player ever to play the game...and it's a lot easier to remember how awesome he was than to look at the momentary glimpses of Last, Soulkey and say that they can even touch the Ultimate Weapon. The only one who's got a shot is BeSt. His PvT is very good, but his PvZ is putrid and he'll probably lose to Soulkey. In sum, Flash is Flash, 'nuff said. | ||
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
Glad Shine proves them wrong ! It also shows that all this balance whining is just non-sense, you can play differently, in a lot of ways. Mong didn't play very well (that wall in game 4 with the scvs behind...) but playing against this kind of well prepared cheese is reaaaaally though. Talking about game4 I really wonder what was Mongs plan for the rest of the game, he was sitting on 3 bases (2gas) and not doing much ? Was he happy because Shine hadn't taken any expansion ? Did he want to switch to mech ? Or was he preparing a very late push ? I really don't know what he was doing. | ||
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ortseam
996 Posts
On May 17 2017 03:41 Arrian wrote: Because he's pretty much the best player ever to play the game...and it's a lot easier to remember how awesome he was than to look at the momentary glimpses of Last, Soulkey and say that they can even touch the Ultimate Weapon. The only one who's got a shot is BeSt. His PvT is very good, but his PvZ is putrid and he'll probably lose to Soulkey. In sum, Flash is Flash, 'nuff said. Last has the best chance, he went 3-0 in ASL1 and Flash was already in very good form. Best and Bisu (and even Soulkey) have Outsider and Andromeda, so without Camelot double map it's absolutely doable. That said, all of them are underdogs of course. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 17 2017 03:57 ortseam wrote: Last has the best chance, he went 3-0 in ASL1 and Flash was already in very good form. Best and Bisu (and even Soulkey) have Outsider and Andromeda, so without Camelot double map it's absolutely doable. That said, all of them are underdogs of course. Pretty much. I think Last can actually beat Flash. Not 3-0 of course, maybe 3-1 or 3-2. Regardless, it'll be really intense. Flash might be solid and the GOAT but Last is just as great of a player at the moment and has been keeping up with him in rankings for the last good year or so. Also, not sure how many posters remember but Last's TvT is one of his strong matchups. It's actually amazing to see how he has grown since the SSL days. I'm talking drastic improvements. His TvT was solid back then to the point where he rode it to the finals while his TvP/Z needed work. I remember back when he lost to Guemchi's forge FE and Kwarno's zerg on Sin Peaks of Baedu in SSL10. I was not impressed with his matchups other than TvT but he's made such a turnaround these last couple of years. If Last beats Flash, I think he has a shot at the finals but there's always a chance that BeSt will become the macro monster he was last season (if he beats SK) or that SK will upset him much like ATB finals. Then there always Bisu (if he beats Shine) or Shine who I wouldn't hesitate to call a monster at series' preparation. Basically, Last is one of the contenders for top players atm and I think Flash fans should be a bit concerned about him facing Last. I could go on and on... Anyways, for me, there's a great storyline to write about if any of the players win the finals and I'm expecting some intense games (except BeSt vs SK, that might be a stomp unless BeSt pulls off the same form during hero last ASL) so all good :D | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
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Arrian
United States889 Posts
On May 17 2017 04:19 BigFan wrote: Pretty much. I think Last can actually beat Flash. Not 3-0 of course, maybe 3-1 or 3-2. Regardless, it'll be really intense. Flash might be solid and the GOAT but Last is just as great of a player at the moment and has been keeping up with him in rankings for the last good year or so. Also, not sure how many posters remember but Last's TvT is one of his strong matchups. It's actually amazing to see how he has grown since the SSL days. I'm talking drastic improvements. His TvT was solid back then to the point where he rode it to the finals while his TvP/Z needed work. I remember back when he lost to Guemchi's forge FE and Kwarno's zerg on Sin Peaks of Baedu in SSL10. I was not impressed with his matchups other than TvT but he's made such a turnaround these last couple of years. If Last beats Flash, I think he has a shot at the finals but there's always a chance that BeSt will become the macro monster he was last season (if he beats SK) or that SK will upset him much like ATB finals. Then there always Bisu (if he beats Shine) or Shine who I wouldn't hesitate to call a monster at series' preparation. Basically, Last is one of the contenders for top players atm and I think Flash fans should be a bit concerned about him facing Last. I could go on and on... Anyways, for me, there's a great storyline to write about if any of the players win the finals and I'm expecting some intense games (except BeSt vs SK, that might be a stomp unless BeSt pulls off the same form during hero last ASL) so all good :D You have a lot more faith in Last's TvT than I do. I will admit Last's TvZ is currently monstrous and I don't think there's a Zerg around who could best him in a Bo5 (and watching streams, it might be worse than I'm even letting on) but Flash might have the best TvT in BW history. I know anything can happen in a Bo5, but my intuition is screaming that it'll be a 3-1 victory for Lee Young Ho. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10888 Posts
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
On May 17 2017 03:49 RouaF wrote: It also shows that all this balance whining is just non-sense, you can play differently, in a lot of ways. It's not nonsense, TvZ winrate post-kespa is 60%. It's very hard to play vs 5rax into mech. What Shine pulled off is very hard to do consistently and repeatedly. Once people are aware of his tricky ways, they'll be less susceptible to them. I'm also not sure he could have pulled off something like that against Flash and Last, or some other terrans, for example. Can't wait for Bisu vs Shine. Bisu's worst nightmare is coming. :D | ||
TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
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kerpal
United Kingdom2695 Posts
lol - the polls for game 1,2 and 4 are all unanimous. Shine is my new hero. | ||
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raff100
498 Posts
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NickHotS
United States105 Posts
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kaspa84
Brazil169 Posts
On May 16 2017 19:35 Arvendilin wrote: How great would it be if SHINE ended this series with a proxy Nydus? That would be my personal fanfiction lol You're a prophet. English casters said that they knew of no game like the last one... | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On May 17 2017 02:35 M2 wrote: Why is everyone assuming that Flash is a given finalist? Going through Last and | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
Thank you | ||
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sixfour
England11062 Posts
You magnificent bastard | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5966 Posts
On May 17 2017 06:21 kaspa84 wrote: You're a prophet. English casters said that they knew of no game like the last one... Then you're very likely listening to the wrong English casters. I'm pretty sure any BW fan who kept up a little bit knows about the following game: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/120822_Flash_vs_Shine/vod | ||
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