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EsportsJohn
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EsportsJohn
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Shine is gonna sweep Mong and go on to beat Flash in the finals. That's my prediction. | ||
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Terrorbladder
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On May 16 2017 18:44 EsportsJohn wrote: >implying Flash will not get drubbed 0-3 by Last who will then lose to BestSorry this is a bit later than usual! GET HYPE! Shine is gonna sweep Mong and go on to beat Flash in the finals. That's my prediction. his TvT is a shadow of what it once was, such a shame, he was light years ahead of everybody else when mass drops was meta | ||
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nojok
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letian
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YASHSHAKAR
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On May 16 2017 18:44 EsportsJohn wrote: Sorry this is a bit later than usual! GET HYPE! Shine is gonna sweep Mong and go on to beat Flash in the finals. That's my prediction. Lmao Mong looks like the most starcrafty starcrafter ever. Im rootin for him to win mainly to see Bisu Mantoss him in the semis. Shine has been scoping everybody out as an observer though, im sure he has some sneaky shit planned. Ima say Mong 3-2 shine | ||
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SCC-Faust
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YASHSHAKAR
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Mong: "Im only thinking about shine.." Stargirl: "Sounds like you got a bromance goin on over here." Me: Cringe | ||
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lolfail9001
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On May 16 2017 19:02 r.Evo wrote: I'm for Shine just for all the observer jokes. Talking about Shine and observer... who is it today? | ||
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Sajiki
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lolfail9001
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Scene of Mong preparing with that theme is just too adorable. | ||
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gngfn
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On May 16 2017 19:19 oEkY wrote: Seems a bit weird to me, that the map order is changed for the 2nd ro8 match They used to let each player veto one map from being used twice and then choose from the other maps. I don't know if that happened here but it's not a new thing. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On May 16 2017 19:20 r.Evo wrote: I love how Shine plays his reputation. The best cheese a cheeser can do is economic one. | ||
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YASHSHAKAR
United States75 Posts
Gonna be Great I can tell | ||
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BigFan
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D-light
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On May 16 2017 19:20 lolfail9001 wrote: The best cheese a cheeser can do is economic one. "The cheesiest thing a cheeser can do is play a macro game." | ||
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YASHSHAKAR
United States75 Posts
- These firebats are putting in some work tho. | ||
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ShloobeR
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nojok
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lolfail9001
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On May 16 2017 19:22 D-light wrote: "The cheesiest thing a cheeser can do is play a macro game." Shine confirmed not cheesy enough. That fake drop though, putting S into RTS. | ||
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BigFan
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gngfn
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D-light
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rotta
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Shield all your fears, release all your fury. Shine, shine on, through the darkness and the pain. Shine, shine on, Warrior. Shine, shine on, through the wind and the rain. Shine, shine on, Warrior. | ||
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Arvendilin
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On May 16 2017 19:26 D-light wrote: Mong using the Destiny magnets. KYYYYLLEEEE | ||
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Arvendilin
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EDIT: I mean Mongs are even worse ofcourse but still | ||
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Terrorbladder
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On May 16 2017 19:32 Arvendilin wrote: Aren't shines upgrades not that great? He had 2 armor upgrade. tbh Mong massively blundered when he pulled marines back to deal with the Overlords. Surely a Zerg can't afford a huge army at your front door and Ovie speed+drop at the same time | ||
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lolfail9001
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On May 16 2017 19:32 Arvendilin wrote: Aren't shines upgrades not that great? 0-0 mech tho. | ||
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Arvendilin
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Ohh ofcourse, I'm just thinking about future games | ||
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Arvendilin
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That would be my personal fanfiction lol | ||
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gngfn
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phosphorylation
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awesome strategy | ||
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nojok
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YASHSHAKAR
United States75 Posts
Mong had an okay idea with those firebats right there tho. He was at least able to do something in those dark swarms. Excellent game | ||
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FlaShFTW
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FlaShFTW
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On May 16 2017 19:32 Arvendilin wrote: Aren't shines upgrades not that great? EDIT: I mean Mongs are even worse ofcourse but still they were fine. | ||
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BigFan
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On May 16 2017 19:37 letian wrote: Shine is truly a good zerg when he is on point. his muta micro seemed solid too from the little I saw. Hoping he gives us a glimpse tonight. | ||
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3806 Posts
Good vessel sniping seems to be a real sticking point for modern Zergs | ||
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Arvendilin
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kk I had thought he wanted to be at 1-2 at that point but I'm no Zerg | ||
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Jacenoob
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BigFan
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On May 16 2017 19:48 Jacenoob wrote: Mong is fully retarded with these scouts... Shine has been sniping them well enough so I think its more 50/50 or so. | ||
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r.Evo
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On May 16 2017 19:37 Ota Solgryn wrote: Congratulations Mong, you played yourself. (And Shine made a good fake) I'm pretty sure he's doing it again. =D | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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is this new meta? :p | ||
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gngfn
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for ensnare and energy upgrade of course | ||
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gngfn
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BLinD-RawR
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hydra guardian | ||
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r.Evo
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YASHSHAKAR
United States75 Posts
GUARDIANS GG!!!!!!!!!!! Dude shine 2-0 so far! He is doing some very unique styles right now. Guardian is soo good against Terran mech. | ||
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D-light
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On May 16 2017 19:55 BLinD-RawR wrote: wow hydra guardian Lurker pretty important third part. | ||
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ShloobeR
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duke91
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edit: I actually called that hydra guardian may be having a comeback like 2-3 weeks back ;D | ||
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lolfail9001
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On May 16 2017 19:55 gngfn wrote: The more upsetting thing is that it looks like before the drop he was going to go for a Hydra/Guardian strategy and now we won't get to see how it was supposed to look You were saying? | ||
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3806 Posts
most zergs at the moment who go into guardians just lose them instantly | ||
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shadymmj
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but very exciting game | ||
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phosphorylation
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such improbable combination of units. guardian hydra lurker and yet the storm kept pushing the terran back | ||
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Terrorbladder
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we'll end up having 1 terran in Ro4. So much for "Terran OP" | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
Imagine how much worse Shine would have dominated with his full economy and not having to remake tech | ||
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Sajiki
Germany522 Posts
On May 16 2017 19:55 gngfn wrote: The more upsetting thing is that it looks like before the drop he was going to go for a Hydra/Guardian strategy and now we won't get to see how it was supposed to look :o | ||
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lolfail9001
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On May 16 2017 19:58 gngfn wrote: Imagine how much worse Shine would have dominated with his full economy and not having to remake tech That just begs the question of how the hell did Mong top his group. | ||
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phosphorylation
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Ota Solgryn
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On May 16 2017 19:58 ShloobeR wrote: That might be one of the best uses of guardians I've seen in modern BW, most zergs at the moment who go into guardians just lose them instantly This. The overlords for scouting and the good micro. He used all units perfectly there in combination. Lurkers to keep him from sniping guaridans, hydras to snipe vessels and wraiths and guardians to take tanks and potshots and marines. This was amazing! | ||
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FlaShFTW
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On May 16 2017 19:59 lolfail9001 wrote: That just begs the question of how the hell did Mong top his group. a terrible stork and only needing to practice one matchup in TvP | ||
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TheNewEra
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On May 16 2017 20:00 FlaShFTW wrote: a terrible stork and only needing to practice one matchup in TvP GuemChi, Jaehoon, BeSt was Mong's group. Stork was already dead in the Ro24. | ||
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Jacenoob
299 Posts
My opponent has 24 Zerglings on the map? Better send out a scouting SCV every 5 seconds! My opponent is all-in on Guardians and they are currently in his main base and I have 3 minutes until they are at my base? No fucking reason to start Wraith production prematurely... | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
Hopefully it's not gonna be a 3-0 as it is a great day of games so far, Shine is very composed. Was he the one who's in the middle of a divorce? | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:02 ShloobeR wrote: You have to be able to hold 3 gas with the bare minimum of gas usage for quite a long time using that strategy though, it will be interesting to see if more zergs try to figure a way to incorporate that into their play, maybe mass sunkens will make a return I don't see this working on other maps though. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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2port wraith coming this game. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:03 BLinD-RawR wrote: calling it now 2port wraith coming this game. I want to see valk-vulture again after sSak vs JaeDong game tbh. | ||
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YASHSHAKAR
United States75 Posts
Punishing terrans for being soo comfortable with just ground attack units. I love it. Now they gotta play on the worst possile map for TvZ. Mong better step up or he is DONE. | ||
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:00 FlaShFTW wrote: a terrible stork and only needing to practice one matchup in TvP Stork? You mean BeSt right? | ||
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BisuDagger
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 Modesty. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On May 16 2017 20:05 BisuDagger wrote: Shine could go for greater spire again since them map is Outsider. Would be awesome if he can harness his inner Modesty.I have inner feeling that you imply that greater spire is terrible on this map. P. S. Hey, i am honest BW noob even though everything annoying works on outsider from what i have seen. | ||
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Arvendilin
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On May 16 2017 20:03 Jacenoob wrote: Mong seems awful strategically. My opponent has 24 Zerglings on the map? Better send out a scouting SCV every 5 seconds! My opponent is all-in on Guardians and they are currently in his main base and I have 3 minutes until they are at my base? No fucking reason to start Wraith production prematurely... To be fair to the poor guy, he is playing against shine, the guy who literally built a proxy hatch to proxy nydus rush Flash iirc. The actual incarnation of Evil within Zerg | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On May 16 2017 20:06 lolfail9001 wrote: I have inner feeling that you imply that greater spire is terrible on this map. P. S. Hey, i am honest BW noob even though everything annoying works on outsider from what i have seen. nah its decent on this map. | ||
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Jacenoob
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On May 16 2017 20:07 Arvendilin wrote: To be fair to the poor guy, he is playing against shine, the guy who literally built a proxy hatch to proxy nydus rush Flash iirc. The actual incarnation of Evil within Zerg Yeah, but he also lost that series 3-1, despite a dubious regame... And sure, you want to scout against Shine, but please use your brain. I mean what was his thought process behind these scouting SCVs? 1st: Ah yeah the Zerglings he made after my Bunker Rush. 2nd: Yep, these same Zerglings killed my SCVs 3rd: Zerglings are still there, just checking. 4th: Oh right, Zerglings. 5th: Just wanna make sure the Zerglings have not disappered. 6th: Yep, still Zerglings on the map killing my SCV. Gained a lot of intel. | ||
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BisuDagger
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On May 16 2017 20:06 lolfail9001 wrote: I have inner feeling that you imply that greater spire is terrible on this map. P. S. Hey, i am honest BW noob even though everything annoying works on outsider from what i have seen. No, it is a serious comment. It's a good build and one that cost Last a loss recently in ATB to Zero. | ||
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:09 Jacenoob wrote: Yeah, but he also lost that series 3-1, despite a dubious regame... And sure, you want to scout against Shine, but please use your brain. I mean what was his thought process behind these scouting SCVs? 1st: Ah yeah the Zerglings he made after my Bunker Rush. 2nd: Yep, these same Zerglings killed my SCVs 3rd: Zerglings are still there, just checking. 4th: Oh right, Zerglings. 5th: Just wanna make sure the Zerglings have not disappered. 6th: Yep, still Zerglings on the map killing my SCV. Gained a lot of intel. Ohh ofcourse he is playing good or anything at all, all I'm saying is that I have sympathy for him | ||
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Ota Solgryn
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On May 16 2017 20:09 Jacenoob wrote: Yeah, but he also lost that series 3-1, despite a dubious regame... And sure, you want to scout against Shine, but please use your brain. I mean what was his thought process behind these scouting SCVs? 1st: Ah yeah the Zerglings he made after my Bunker Rush. 2nd: Yep, these same Zerglings killed my SCVs 3rd: Zerglings are still there, just checking. 4th: Oh right, Zerglings. 5th: Just wanna make sure the Zerglings have not disappered. 6th: Yep, still Zerglings on the map killing my SCV. Gained a lot of intel. And if he didnt scout? Then you would probably say "why didnt he send out SVCs to scout for the strat or fast 3rd gas expos when he is playing against shine known for cheeses". Sigh. | ||
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YASHSHAKAR
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Wow MONG nice win on Outsider. Shine went for the greater spire and mong hit him at just the right time. Once Shine was out of mutas it was a done deal. To be frank.. M&M with tanks is always cool to see. Reminds me of that Starcraft ghost cinematic. "Who called in Seige tanks? I wanna know who called in seige tanks onto MY BATTLEFIELD Lieutenant!!!!" - Sarge "We aint got no tanks sarge....." *Zerg begin to charge "Mother Mercy....." - Sarge | ||
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lolfail9001
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Yeah, i figured as much. But inner feeling proved stronger! | ||
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Terrorbladder
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On May 16 2017 20:03 Jacenoob wrote: Very hard. Mass Hydralisks+fast Ovie make flanking Guardians with Wraiths very ineffective.Mong seems awful strategically. My opponent has 24 Zerglings on the map? Better send out a scouting SCV every 5 seconds! My opponent is all-in on Guardians and they are currently in his main base and I have 3 minutes until they are at my base? No fucking reason to start Wraith production prematurely... | ||
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YASHSHAKAR
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Proxy Hatch/Nydus Dope af | ||
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On May 16 2017 20:30 Jacenoob wrote: ffs stop sending out SCVs YES THERE ARE ZERGLINGS no he's free to send as much as he likes. This latest one was a great success. | ||
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YASHSHAKAR
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Holy crap Shine FINAL 4!!!!!! HE DID IT!!! SHINE IS OFFICIALLY A TOP TIER zerg with that performance. | ||
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Also RIP Bisu! | ||
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On May 16 2017 19:35 Arvendilin wrote: How great would it be if SHINE ended this series with a proxy Nydus? That would be my personal fanfiction lol SOMEONE GIVE THIS MAN AN AWARD | ||
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On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote: ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot "Joined August 2014" | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On May 16 2017 20:38 gngfn wrote: I can picture the exact look Bisu has on his face right now. DESTINY DESTINY | ||
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SCC-Faust
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Bisu vs sSak was a great series, and this series was great as well. In fact, this Ro8 so far might've been some of the best sets out of any ASL. The games were exciting, we saw some really unique play, and overall it has been a huge blast. | ||
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Lachrymose
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On May 16 2017 20:39 BisuDagger wrote: That was poor by Mong. When Bonyth was playing versus FBH he straight up killed the neutral buildings so tank drops couldn't harass his natural later in the game. If you don't kill the neutral buildings you MUST keep an eye on it. Mong deserved to lose that map after making such a rookie mistake unfortunately. That said, Shine played brilliantly in this series and in that game. Mong deserved to lose for many reasons from every game. Really poor showing. | ||
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c3rberUs
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Bisu vs Shine The Rematch | ||
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Essbee
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On May 16 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote: What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol. People who complain about bw balance are people who has been watching bw for a few months, so yeah I am going to be a bw elitist snob, sorry about that. | ||
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On May 16 2017 20:40 c3rberUs wrote: Bisu vs Shine The Rematch DESTINY AWAITS BE THERE OR GET BUSTED | ||
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phosphorylation
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the new brain zerg? | ||
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alexpnd
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On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote: ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot | ||
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Essbee
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On May 16 2017 20:40 TT1 wrote: whats bisu's all time record vs shine? Good question lol | ||
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FlaShFTW
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On May 16 2017 20:40 c3rberUs wrote: Bisu vs Shine The Rematch FATE IS HERE!!! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On May 16 2017 20:40 Essbee wrote: People who complain about bw balance are people who has been watching bw for a few months, so yeah I am going to be a bw elitist snob, sorry about that. I thought you'd be in the studio today. | ||
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GTR
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On May 16 2017 20:40 TT1 wrote: whats bisu's all time record vs shine? quite even actually - mostly because bisu wins all the proleague/bo1 games while shine is better at preparing series matches. | ||
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BisuDagger
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On May 16 2017 20:40 TT1 wrote: whats bisu's all time record vs shine? They have an even record, but Bisu takes the lead with the SC2 tie breaker lol. | ||
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Essbee
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I'm quite busy these days, I'll probably go for bisu vs shine, and probably the finals too. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10092 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote: ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot 134 posts and joined in 2014. lol. how much brood war have you watched again? | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
 Bisu vs  ShineThe Rematch Overall Record Bisu 5:5 Shine50% | ||
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TT1
Canada9990 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:41 GTR wrote: quite even actually - mostly because bisu wins all the proleague/bo1 games while shine is better at preparing series matches. record in their non bo1 matches? | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
Shine 2-1 EVER OSL. Shine 2-0 Bacchus OSL. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10092 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49782 Posts
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:42 Arrian wrote: That was too much fun. Shine has to get past Bisu and probably Flash to walk the royal road, but what a story that would be. Man, I think Flash is wayyyyy above Mong and give Shine almost no chance if he ever gets to face Flash but if he prepares some other sick strats and keep surprising everyone with innovative and solid play, and gets to win even just a game or two, that would be absolutely awesome. I'm counting on soulkey and shine at the moment for zvt. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
 Consider it as a light warm up before HD realease. | ||
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YASHSHAKAR
United States75 Posts
"I sense a disturbance in the khala " "I too, sense that disturbance.. In the void." A dark templar shadow blinks into view. "A new cerebrate has been risen.. One that has watched our every move from the beginning." - Dark Templar "In its wake, there will follow a storm" - High Templar "Not if I have anything to say about it..." a fiery figure appears in the Templar Archives orange malestromic energy forming within its hands.. "The swarm will fall before our.... Before my.. Wrath!!!" - Dark Archon. BRING IT SHINE | ||
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:45 Essbee wrote: Man, I think Flash is wayyyyy above Mong and give Shine almost no chance if he ever gets to face Flash but if he prepares some other sick strats and keep surprising everyone with innovative and solid play, and gets to win even just a game or two, that would be absolutely awesome. I'm counting on soulkey and shine at the moment for zvt. agree. His build against Flash on Camelot was great, Flash is just really sick at defending and even he was forced to lift his main and evacuate for a while. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
I said it was a dream. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:45 repomaniak wrote: [url=http://i35.tinypic.com/w9ih5d.jpg]http://i35.tinypic.com/w9ih5d.jpg[/url] literally off by 5 second...5 Like 5 times Bisu lost vs Shine LOL DESTINY | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10092 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:45 duke91 wrote: DESTINY APPROACHES! SHINE VS BISU! | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10092 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:47 Lachrymose wrote: (I don't actually think Shine is going to beat Bisu.) INFIDEL! BLASPHEMY! THE CHURCH OF SHINE WILL RISE AGAIN! | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:46 BigFan wrote: agree. His build against Flash on Camelot was great, Flash is just really sick at defending and even he was forced to lift his main and evacuate for a while. Was this on stream? I can't recall seeing flash play on camelot recently haha. | ||
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Arrian
United States889 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:45 Essbee wrote: Man, I think Flash is wayyyyy above Mong and give Shine almost no chance if he ever gets to face Flash but if he prepares some other sick strats and keep surprising everyone with innovative and solid play, and gets to win even just a game or two, that would be absolutely awesome. I'm counting on soulkey and shine at the moment for zvt. I don't give him much of a chance either. Flash wouldn't make the mistakes Mong did, and I kinda feel like Shine showed too much if he wants to get past Flash. That said, anything can happen, and if it did, I'm coming out of writing retirement to put that story down. He's had a really crazy run this ASL, and beating Bisu and Flash to finish it off would make it an all-time underdog story. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2254 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote: What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol. Some people still believe that TL was the center of foreign BW since ever Xd | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
shine soulkey jaedong and effort | ||
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reminisce12
Australia318 Posts
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:49 Arrian wrote: I don't give him much of a chance either. Flash wouldn't make the mistakes Mong did, and I kinda feel like Shine showed too much if he wants to get past Flash. That said, anything can happen, and if it did, I'm coming out of writing retirement to put that story down. He's had a really crazy run this ASL, and beating Bisu and Flash to finish it off would make it an all-time underdog story. Very well said, I did think the same about the "I kinda feel like Shine showed too much if he wants to get past Flash", that's why that would be an exploit, to say the least. I think you said it better with "I'm coming out of writing retirement to put that story down". That about sums it up! | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10092 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:50 hitthat wrote: Some people still believe that TL was the center of foreign BW since ever Xd are you implying it wasnt? which other place was a contender for "center" | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:50 hitthat wrote: Some people still believe that TL was the center of foreign BW since ever Xd I never claimed this, but someone complaining about bw balance should prove my point without me having to say anything. With a signature like "Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.", you should know better. | ||
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mcmascote
Brazil1575 Posts
On May 16 2017 19:35 Arvendilin wrote: How great would it be if SHINE ended this series with a proxy Nydus? That would be my personal fanfiction lol OMG. I'm just reading the thread after watching the games so I wouldn't get spoiled and then I see this on page 2. What kind of Wizard are you mate? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49782 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:52 FlaShFTW wrote: are you implying it wasnt? which other place was a contender for "center" ggnet(or scgamers) | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:52 FlaShFTW wrote: are you implying it wasnt? which other place was a contender for "center" uhhh ever heard of a little place called gosugamers?? | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19202 Posts
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:39 BisuDagger wrote: That was poor by Mong. When Bonyth was playing versus FBH he straight up killed the neutral buildings so tank drops couldn't harass his natural later in the game. If you don't kill the neutral buildings you MUST keep an eye on it. Mong deserved to lose that map after making such a rookie mistake unfortunately. That said, Shine played brilliantly in this series and in that game. Lol, no. Don't compare PvT with TvZ. With terran in this critical period of the game you just don't go "oh i better defend against the fastest possible drone drop into proxy hatch nydus". Terran focuses on denying muta harrass/denying third/containing zerg/defending against lurk/lings. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:40 Essbee wrote: People who complain about bw balance are people who has been watching bw for a few months, so yeah I am going to be a bw elitist snob, sorry about that. On May 16 2017 20:42 FlaShFTW wrote: 134 posts and joined in 2014. lol. how much brood war have you watched again? Disgusting attitude. I mean the creepiest thing got to be that someone has bothered to look up somebody's join date. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19202 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:58 LRM)TechnicS wrote: Lol, no. Don't compare PvT with TvZ. With terran in this critical period of the game you just don't go "oh i better defend against the fastest possible drone drop into proxy hatch nydus". Terran focuses on denying muta harrass/denying third/containing zerg/defending against lurk/lings. That's not what I meant, but I see your point. It's more of, this is a map with a tricky spot right above your natural that can make you very vulnerable. Check on it periodically (Science Vessels) or put a building (turret) up there. | ||
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czechue
Poland13 Posts
WB guys, it's nice to be here in 2017 and comment BW again. | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:58 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Disgusting attitude. I mean the creepiest thing got to be that someone has bothered to look up somebody's join date. Tbf it's just a mouse hover about the username. Using it as an argument is silly tho. | ||
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Esp1noza
Russian Federation481 Posts
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On May 16 2017 21:03 Esp1noza wrote: I don't even know now who I love more - Soulkey or Shine. BeSt obviously | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49782 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:58 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Disgusting attitude. I mean the creepiest thing got to be that someone has bothered to look up somebody's join date. its not that hard to look up someones join date, you just hover your mouse over their name, also its usually a pretty decent way of telling how much they've followed/been involved. theres a lot of shaming of balance whiners in these parts in general(theres a difference between whining and attempting to discuss a solution). | ||
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hitthat
Poland2254 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:52 FlaShFTW wrote: are you implying it wasnt? which other place was a contender for "center" There were some condenders, that in early days had no less BW players (gosugamers, iccup) Netwars for polish BW scene - one of the bigger and better organised - seen the TL as the site for the North Americans f.e. I expect that chineese had some too before they switch to WarCraft 3). If you read some of the old BW pages here in TL, you would see they are not even that long as F.E. in 2010. Before Netwars became SC2 heaven I didnt cared about TL. I was wrong, sorry TL <3 | ||
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:37 c3rberUs wrote: A drop of sweat forms on Bisu's forehead. His knees weak, palms sweaty | ||
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:49 Essbee wrote: Was this on stream? I can't recall seeing flash play on camelot recently haha. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49782 Posts
mom's spag-Destiny! | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
Somehow forgot about this, thanks buddy. | ||
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vndestiny
Singapore3438 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Game 2, Mong would've never suspected that Shine took his third base so fast instead of an inbase hatch. Yes, he scouted his main but it's hard to say what could be running in his mind. The drop did a ton of damage but it so happened that by then, Shine got enough to start his push. Mong also only had 1 port, he added another I think as he saw the guardians. Could've microed his wraith better but he was getting squeezed in and Shine was microing really damn well too. There's a reason that wraith are considered paper planes. Game 4, sure, I agree that Mong should've kept an eye on the back of his base. Maybe break down the disrupters at the back but as mentioned, what are the chances of a proxy hatchery being placed there with a nydus? Anyways, I think Shine played to his strength and prepared well. Can't wait to see how he plays against Bisu. Shine fighting ~ On May 16 2017 20:49 Essbee wrote: Was this on stream? I can't recall seeing flash play on camelot recently haha. ya, group A Ro16 with flash, shine, ggaemo and HyuN. They played on Camelot in winners' match. Shine had a really sick strat too, Flash was well Flash lol. Go check it out ^^ | ||
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mcmascote
Brazil1575 Posts
On May 16 2017 21:02 TheNewEra wrote: Tbf it's just a mouse hover about the username. Using it as an argument is silly tho. Yeh, kinda... But If you are an old school fan/player you know that the game isn't imbalanced. Slight tweaks on maps can make it favor one race over another. That shows how balanced the game is. If you are a new fan, nothing wrong about that, but should learn that it bothers people if you pollute game threads with posts whining about imbalances. Simply because you are wrong. Now, if you are an old school bw player and you still think the game isn't balanced then you probably learned over the years to keep that opinion to yourself or to discuss it only on the strategy section. That's why join date is an important factor. I'm as anti-elitist as it can get but talks about imbalances irritate me. I'm sorry. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2254 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:53 Essbee wrote: I never claimed this, but someone complaining about bw balance should prove my point without me having to say anything. With a signature like "Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.", you should know better. Well, you attacked him from a spot that made you look like an a-hole. Also, as a long TL poster, you should know that ballance whining was here (and not only here) from a long time. Once I started follow regulary TL in early 2009 I already seen one in the peak of Zerg victories (Fantasy vs JD SPL final anyone? FBH bizzare wins with battlecruisers? Sea vs JD - one of the biggest traversity of balance whines?) btw first time when I got even interested in TL was first TSL  | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:58 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Disgusting attitude. I mean the creepiest thing got to be that someone has bothered to look up somebody's join date. Let's just say that I have nothing against elitism and that contrary to popular belief, I think elitism is a good thing. Why? Well, let's just say that when someone is an "elitist" about something, it usually means they have a passion about this certain thing and that they surely know a lot about said thing. And you know the cool thing about this? It allows people who do not know about the certain thing to learn about it from a person who is passionate and has a lot of experience with it, and I think that's awesome. I discovered new passions in my life because of other "elitists". But when the new person who barely knows about the certain thing starts to want to change everything about it because he doesn't understand it or doesn't understand why the elitist like it, then the thing slowly start becoming something else, something that is going to be different from what the elitist originally liked. It might be a disgusting attitude to you, but to me seeing noobs come here to try and change the game we have loved for 2 decades, THAT to me is more disgusting. Love <3 Btw no hard feeling to anyone | ||
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United States6894 Posts
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
Shine 3-0 Bisu please | ||
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Broodwar4lyf
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RowdierBob
Australia12939 Posts
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On May 16 2017 21:43 BrownBear wrote: I believe in Shine! Old WeMade players fighting! Dude! I remember you being one of the other WeMade fan :D Good thing we've got our Shine back and in better shape than ever hehe | ||
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BlackJack
United States10330 Posts
On May 16 2017 19:35 Arvendilin wrote: How great would it be if SHINE ended this series with a proxy Nydus? That would be my personal fanfiction lol nailed it | ||
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konadora
Singapore66145 Posts
he had a build for every map what he lacked in pure mechanical skills like jaedong, he made up for it with amazing builds what a player, i hope he makes it to the finals | ||
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elKa-ThE-FeArEd
Sweden176 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:42 FlaShFTW wrote: 134 posts and joined in 2014. lol. how much brood war have you watched again? I joined october 2010, Yet i started playing sc:bw around 98-99 and have been visiting this site since the beginning Some people can live without replying to every post there is u know | ||
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Arrian
United States889 Posts
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Singapore4121 Posts
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3329 Posts
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Netherlands4804 Posts
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c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
On May 16 2017 22:51 Arrian wrote: If all the Shine love keeps up, we're just going to have to rename the BW tourney forum into "Shine Fanclub". He was awesome, and I'm super happy for him and I want him to win the whole thing, but...Bisu...Flash... Don't worry if he does win the whole thing, we'll probably have to rename the BW tourney forum into "<insert insult or swear here> Shine!". | ||
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Broodwar4lyf
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Netherlands4804 Posts
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United States3346 Posts
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K.H.J
Korea (South)769 Posts
" The strategies which i used today are made in 2012 to catch Flash in Tving OSL." " I am really confident in vsBisu" " The strategy which i used in 4set is extempore." " I will show you what is the Real Starcraft in RO4 " " My practice partners were Sharp and Rush. both 2 couldnt win against Guardian-Lurker-Hydra." " I has 'strategy pocket'. more strategies are in pocket now." | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4804 Posts
On May 17 2017 00:31 K.H.J wrote: After RO8, Shine said " The strategies which i used today are made in 2012 to catch Flash in Tving OSL." " I am really confident in vsBisu" " The strategy which i used in 4set is extempore." " I will show you what is the Real Starcraft in RO4 " " My practice partners were Sharp and Rush. both 2 couldnt win against Guardian-Lurker-Hydra." " I has 'strategy pocket'. more strategies are in pocket now." Thanks. (The Winner's interview always get covered in the English cast as well: Interview) | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Also, Bisu practicing hardcore with hero atm. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 17 2017 01:01 blade55555 wrote: Man what a sick series. Shine played that so well and his builds were fun to watch. Wonder what he'll have planned for the ro4... I'm quite interested as well. Shine seems like he's someone who excels in these kind of series. It'll be interesting to see how far he can go. | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
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Canada5565 Posts
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ortseam
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:58 LRM)TechnicS wrote: Lol, no. Don't compare PvT with TvZ. With terran in this critical period of the game you just don't go "oh i better defend against the fastest possible drone drop into proxy hatch nydus". Terran focuses on denying muta harrass/denying third/containing zerg/defending against lurk/lings. He's playing against shine though. So I'd say it's even more relevant. He's had time to prepare, shines probably most famous game from before this ASL run was him beating flash with a Proxy nydus. I'd say that Mong didn't do his homework or forgot it during these weird intense surprising games. Not saying your point is wrong,just pointing out another factor in this, one that in my opinion actually makes a bigger difference. | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On May 16 2017 20:50 phosphorylation wrote: zerg is looking strong again with shine soulkey jaedong and effort Sadly I wouldn't put JD up there. Shine is his own rank( not because he's better or worse but because of his unique style) Effort and Soulkey are top regular zergs alone atm imo. JD still multitasks and macros like a beast but his decisionmaking and confidence needs a boost. As I see things I think his problem with trolls on stream could mean problem with adapting to this new scene with streaming as a mainlife and income. And he's had a break because of his wrist. Maybe he can't practice like before though he's got the work ethics for it. JD:s max level is still the one zerg that can beat Flash imo. Maybe Soulkey is on his way to a new high as well though, could be another zerg up there. Effort was there, but my view on him is that he needs a better zerg meta to do 100%perfect macro and games of. But he's not the one who changes the meta. We'll see how things go. Maybe shines guardians, hyuns island base stuff will change the tvz meta a bit | ||
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Australia995 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4100 Posts
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Barneyk
Sweden304 Posts
The games overall still feels more sloppy than they did during the prolegue era but my god are they still great and so fun! Shines pure joy and happiness is such a treat as well, he looked so damn happy. Great games, I am just loving this! | ||
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
I think he has what it takes to win the finals! | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On May 17 2017 02:35 M2 wrote: Why is everyone assuming that Flash is a given finalist? Going through Last and Soulkey does not look so free to me Last -> Flash, that's my prediction here. I think Last is just the better tvt player atm. | ||
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Miragee
8467 Posts
On May 17 2017 02:35 M2 wrote: Why is everyone assuming that Flash is a given finalist? Going through Last and Soulkey does not look so free to me Usual flash-is-god-so-he-wins yadayada... Of course he is the favourite but he may very well lose vs Last. | ||
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Arrian
United States889 Posts
On May 17 2017 02:35 M2 wrote: Why is everyone assuming that Flash is a given finalist? Going through Last and Soulkey does not look so free to me Because he's pretty much the best player ever to play the game...and it's a lot easier to remember how awesome he was than to look at the momentary glimpses of Last, Soulkey and say that they can even touch the Ultimate Weapon. The only one who's got a shot is BeSt. His PvT is very good, but his PvZ is putrid and he'll probably lose to Soulkey. In sum, Flash is Flash, 'nuff said. | ||
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
Glad Shine proves them wrong ! It also shows that all this balance whining is just non-sense, you can play differently, in a lot of ways. Mong didn't play very well (that wall in game 4 with the scvs behind...) but playing against this kind of well prepared cheese is reaaaaally though. Talking about game4 I really wonder what was Mongs plan for the rest of the game, he was sitting on 3 bases (2gas) and not doing much ? Was he happy because Shine hadn't taken any expansion ? Did he want to switch to mech ? Or was he preparing a very late push ? I really don't know what he was doing. | ||
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ortseam
996 Posts
On May 17 2017 03:41 Arrian wrote: Because he's pretty much the best player ever to play the game...and it's a lot easier to remember how awesome he was than to look at the momentary glimpses of Last, Soulkey and say that they can even touch the Ultimate Weapon. The only one who's got a shot is BeSt. His PvT is very good, but his PvZ is putrid and he'll probably lose to Soulkey. In sum, Flash is Flash, 'nuff said. Last has the best chance, he went 3-0 in ASL1 and Flash was already in very good form. Best and Bisu (and even Soulkey) have Outsider and Andromeda, so without Camelot double map it's absolutely doable. That said, all of them are underdogs of course. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 17 2017 03:57 ortseam wrote: Last has the best chance, he went 3-0 in ASL1 and Flash was already in very good form. Best and Bisu (and even Soulkey) have Outsider and Andromeda, so without Camelot double map it's absolutely doable. That said, all of them are underdogs of course. Pretty much. I think Last can actually beat Flash. Not 3-0 of course, maybe 3-1 or 3-2. Regardless, it'll be really intense. Flash might be solid and the GOAT but Last is just as great of a player at the moment and has been keeping up with him in rankings for the last good year or so. Also, not sure how many posters remember but Last's TvT is one of his strong matchups. It's actually amazing to see how he has grown since the SSL days. I'm talking drastic improvements. His TvT was solid back then to the point where he rode it to the finals while his TvP/Z needed work. I remember back when he lost to Guemchi's forge FE and Kwarno's zerg on Sin Peaks of Baedu in SSL10. I was not impressed with his matchups other than TvT but he's made such a turnaround these last couple of years. If Last beats Flash, I think he has a shot at the finals but there's always a chance that BeSt will become the macro monster he was last season (if he beats SK) or that SK will upset him much like ATB finals. Then there always Bisu (if he beats Shine) or Shine who I wouldn't hesitate to call a monster at series' preparation. Basically, Last is one of the contenders for top players atm and I think Flash fans should be a bit concerned about him facing Last. I could go on and on... Anyways, for me, there's a great storyline to write about if any of the players win the finals and I'm expecting some intense games (except BeSt vs SK, that might be a stomp unless BeSt pulls off the same form during hero last ASL) so all good :D | ||
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RealityIsKing
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
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Arrian
United States889 Posts
On May 17 2017 04:19 BigFan wrote: Pretty much. I think Last can actually beat Flash. Not 3-0 of course, maybe 3-1 or 3-2. Regardless, it'll be really intense. Flash might be solid and the GOAT but Last is just as great of a player at the moment and has been keeping up with him in rankings for the last good year or so. Also, not sure how many posters remember but Last's TvT is one of his strong matchups. It's actually amazing to see how he has grown since the SSL days. I'm talking drastic improvements. His TvT was solid back then to the point where he rode it to the finals while his TvP/Z needed work. I remember back when he lost to Guemchi's forge FE and Kwarno's zerg on Sin Peaks of Baedu in SSL10. I was not impressed with his matchups other than TvT but he's made such a turnaround these last couple of years. If Last beats Flash, I think he has a shot at the finals but there's always a chance that BeSt will become the macro monster he was last season (if he beats SK) or that SK will upset him much like ATB finals. Then there always Bisu (if he beats Shine) or Shine who I wouldn't hesitate to call a monster at series' preparation. Basically, Last is one of the contenders for top players atm and I think Flash fans should be a bit concerned about him facing Last. I could go on and on... Anyways, for me, there's a great storyline to write about if any of the players win the finals and I'm expecting some intense games (except BeSt vs SK, that might be a stomp unless BeSt pulls off the same form during hero last ASL) so all good :D You have a lot more faith in Last's TvT than I do. I will admit Last's TvZ is currently monstrous and I don't think there's a Zerg around who could best him in a Bo5 (and watching streams, it might be worse than I'm even letting on) but Flash might have the best TvT in BW history. I know anything can happen in a Bo5, but my intuition is screaming that it'll be a 3-1 victory for Lee Young Ho. | ||
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United States10664 Posts
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
On May 17 2017 03:49 RouaF wrote: It also shows that all this balance whining is just non-sense, you can play differently, in a lot of ways. It's not nonsense, TvZ winrate post-kespa is 60%. It's very hard to play vs 5rax into mech. What Shine pulled off is very hard to do consistently and repeatedly. Once people are aware of his tricky ways, they'll be less susceptible to them. I'm also not sure he could have pulled off something like that against Flash and Last, or some other terrans, for example. Can't wait for Bisu vs Shine. Bisu's worst nightmare is coming. :D | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
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kerpal
United Kingdom2695 Posts
lol - the polls for game 1,2 and 4 are all unanimous. Shine is my new hero. | ||
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NickHotS
United States105 Posts
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kaspa84
Brazil168 Posts
On May 16 2017 19:35 Arvendilin wrote: How great would it be if SHINE ended this series with a proxy Nydus? That would be my personal fanfiction lol You're a prophet. English casters said that they knew of no game like the last one... | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On May 17 2017 02:35 M2 wrote: Why is everyone assuming that Flash is a given finalist? Going through Last and | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
Thank you | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
You magnificent bastard | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4804 Posts
On May 17 2017 06:21 kaspa84 wrote: You're a prophet. English casters said that they knew of no game like the last one... Then you're very likely listening to the wrong English casters. I'm pretty sure any BW fan who kept up a little bit knows about the following game: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/120822_Flash_vs_Shine/vod | ||
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kaspa84
Brazil168 Posts
On May 17 2017 06:52 Peeano wrote: Then you're very likely listening to the wrong English casters. I'm pretty sure any BW fan who kept up a little bit knows about the following game: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/120822_Flash_vs_Shine/vod Probably. I watched Tastosis. | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
Funnily enough there is this game between Juni and Flash where Juni does a proxy nydus + Show Spoiler + The irony? It was casted by Tasteless | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
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Archers_bane
United States1338 Posts
Can't wait to see more guardians and hidden nydus attacks in ZvT! | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
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kaspa84
Brazil168 Posts
On May 17 2017 08:33 Archers_bane wrote: Wow, just wow! I haven't seen this innovative zerg play in such a long time. It is really refreshing and it was against a player that can beat the likes of the top zergs like JD, Effort, etc. Can't wait to see more guardians and hidden nydus attacks in ZvT! And fake drops | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4804 Posts
On May 17 2017 07:15 TheNewEra wrote: Funnily enough there is this game between Juni and Flash where Juni does a proxy nydus + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fu1AUc82eM&t The irony? It was casted by Tasteless Nice. I have probably skipped that game in the past, because Juni... The same map, strat and positions ^^ This does raise some questions. Did Juni suggest this strat to Shine back in the day? If my memory serves me right, I believe Shine didn't mention Juni when he was interviewed about winning that game vs Flash when he was with Samsung Khan. | ||
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Little-Chimp
Canada948 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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usopsama
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On May 17 2017 09:45 Disregard wrote: Shine vs Bisu sounds like a good series as long as Shine doesn't pull the same 3hatch hydra-all in I actually thought the opposite. Won't be fun unless Shine goes hydra-all in. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
I have been watching Brood War for ten years and I can't recall a memorable game where a zerg used guardians to brute-force their way into the front of a terran's base like that, after being scouted. | ||
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ggsimida
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On May 17 2017 09:45 Disregard wrote: Shine vs Bisu sounds like a good series as long as Shine doesn't pull the same 3hatch hydra-all in Can someone link the game? | ||
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ortseam
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
On May 17 2017 10:08 Ilikestarcraft wrote: I actually thought the opposite. Won't be fun unless Shine goes hydra-all in. plz those painful memories | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Is everybody talking about this game? Or the one from 2009 EVER OSL? | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4804 Posts
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1706 Posts
somehow bisu usually manage to choke when it gets closer to finals match... remeber the time when he was about to be the mext bonjwa then he lost to mind in msl finals? then another time when he had the most wins in proleague and performing really well then in ro4 of osl (or was it msl?), he lost to fantasy? oh bisu... pls. win! | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On May 17 2017 10:09 usopsama wrote: I am rewatching game 2 and I still can't believe Shine's guardians were able to brute-force their way into the front of Mong's base like that after being scouted. His guardians even had to fly across the map. Crazy. I have been watching Brood War for ten years and I can't recall a memorable game where a zerg used guardians to brute-force their way into the front of a terran's base like that, after being scouted. hydras > wraiths lurkers > marines guardians > tanks Don't know if it could work again but that was hard for Mong to defend, even if he would have had 1 or 2 more wraiths. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 17 2017 04:28 Arrian wrote: You have a lot more faith in Last's TvT than I do. I will admit Last's TvZ is currently monstrous and I don't think there's a Zerg around who could best him in a Bo5 (and watching streams, it might be worse than I'm even letting on) but Flash might have the best TvT in BW history. I know anything can happen in a Bo5, but my intuition is screaming that it'll be a 3-1 victory for Lee Young Ho. ya, I'm not really doubting Flash's overall ability. I just think that Last is one of the only players atm that can upset Flash and based on their history (ASL1 record and very close sponmatch results over the last five months etc...), he has the capability to pull it off especially with TvT being the matchup that he rode on in the past to get to SSL finals and has only improved it more since then. Either way, I think we're in for some really close and intense games so in the end, we're going to be victorious ^^ On May 17 2017 12:38 Essbee wrote: hydras > wraiths lurkers > marines guardians > tanks Don't know if it could work again but that was hard for Mong to defend, even if he would have had 1 or 2 more wraiths. You could also do it this way as well marines > hydras tanks > lurkers wraiths > guardians | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On May 17 2017 12:45 BigFan wrote: ya, I'm not really doubting Flash's overall ability. I just think that Last is one of the only players atm that can upset Flash and based on their history (ASL1 record and very close sponmatch results over the last five months etc...), he has the capability to pull it off especially with TvT being the matchup that he rode on in the past to get to SSL finals and has only improved it more since then. Either way, I think we're in for some really close and intense games so in the end, we're going to be victorious ^^ You could also do it this way as well marines > hydras tanks > lurkers wraiths > guardians Haha true, but guardians out-range wraiths, so wraiths have to get closer and then get killed by hydras. Well at least that's how it worked in that specific game, but yeah it could easily go the other way around :D | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 17 2017 12:52 Essbee wrote: Haha true, but guardians out-range wraiths, so wraiths have to get closer and then get killed by hydras. Well at least that's how it worked in that specific game, but yeah it could easily go the other way around :D maybe so but tanks can also be used to target hydras to give wraiths easy access to guardians while the terran pulls back to regroup and get some guardians kills before the next engagement | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On May 17 2017 12:59 BigFan wrote: maybe so but tanks can also be used to target hydras to give wraiths easy access to guardians while the terran pulls back to regroup and get some guardians kills before the next engagement Yep, as I was saying, it could have went the other way around but there were too few tanks and wraiths for this to happen. But yeah, I doubt this could work everytime haha | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49782 Posts
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On May 17 2017 13:11 BLinD-RawR wrote: wasn't hydra/lurk guardian a central theme for one of Day[9]'s old podcasts? Think you might be right. I guess it's not viable these days? | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4121 Posts
On May 17 2017 13:30 Essbee wrote: Think you might be right. I guess it's not viable these days? I think Mong just reacted poorly or didn't expect that many guardians. He had plenty of time to build more wraiths imo. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zingVda.jpg) My body is ready for the semi-finals. Spoiler: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/EDA1VSc.jpg) | ||
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juvenal
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reincremate
China2213 Posts
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juvenal
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reincremate
China2213 Posts
Interesting to see Jaedong's reaction. | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On May 17 2017 17:13 reincremate wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm5l9sgqB-w Interesting to see Jaedong's reaction. Thanks for this :D | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
And also he never lost once with the game 2 build. Im calling it again. New zerg META | ||
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hitthat
Poland2254 Posts
On May 17 2017 20:38 Ota Solgryn wrote: Lol game 4 was improvised when Shine saw Mong didnt destroy buildings. And also he never lost once with the game 2 build. Im calling it again. New zerg META Would be too hilarious if guardians, delcared situational units only, ever became a standard in TvZ metagame. Thats why I predict it wont happen. | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On May 17 2017 13:04 Essbee wrote: Yep, as I was saying, it could have went the other way around but there were too few tanks and wraiths for this to happen. But yeah, I doubt this could work everytime haha This was a nice read | ||
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Miragee
8467 Posts
On May 17 2017 11:02 TheNewEra wrote: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ9w9zcozjU Is everybody talking about this game? Or the one from 2009 EVER OSL? It's not one game but ~6 games. I can't remember if he did 3 hatch hydra in all games but more than once fore sure when he beat Bisu 3-0 2 times. On May 17 2017 12:52 Essbee wrote: Haha true, but guardians out-range wraiths, so wraiths have to get closer and then get killed by hydras. Well at least that's how it worked in that specific game, but yeah it could easily go the other way around :D The thing is, guardians die really quickly vs wraiths if you have a critical number. Hydras get eaten pretty quickly by M&M+Tanks as well. Mong just didn't have enough wraiths out initially so he lost all of his army to the guardians. If he had ~8 wraiths or so out before the push happend, he would have held easily. Because once the guardians are dead, it's a bunch of hydra/lurker against M&M+tanks, which is pretty terrible if you aren't ahead 3 bases. | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On May 17 2017 21:42 Miragee wrote: It's not one game but ~6 games. I can't remember if he did 3 hatch hydra in all games but more than once fore sure when he beat Bisu 3-0 2 times. The thing is, guardians die really quickly vs wraiths if you have a critical number. Hydras get eaten pretty quickly by M&M+Tanks as well. Mong just didn't have enough wraiths out initially so he lost all of his army to the guardians. If he had ~8 wraiths or so out before the push happend, he would have held easily. Because once the guardians are dead, it's a bunch of hydra/lurker against M&M+tanks, which is pretty terrible if you aren't ahead 3 bases. Yeah I agree with you, but I think if you can somehow make the terran spend a lot of money on wraiths, it can be a good thing because you can pick them off with hydras/scourges before engaging with guardians. And if he's too passive with wraiths and then terran decided to try and push you, I think guardians are an excellent defensive unit, they are just hard to control since they are slow so you have to make sure they are never out of position. So yeah they are quite a risky unit, but I think they have a decent potential. | ||
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renzy
Canada781 Posts
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Barneyk
Sweden304 Posts
On May 17 2017 17:13 reincremate wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm5l9sgqB-w Interesting to see Jaedong's reaction. Jaedong is so confident saying that Mong had won game 2 with that drop, saying how the guardian army is never gonna get anything done. And then, he sees it! God, I want Shine and Jaedong to become best pals and train together 24/7 after watching that video. And it is so funny how Shine improvised the proxy nydus, hey, he didn't kill the buildings, lets go for it! But he rushed and then Shine had a muta presence so he never really had the opportunity to kill them off, made sense! Man, these 2 Bo5 sets so far has been some of the most entertaining and awesome sets ever and I can't believe that we get to experience this when I thought this level of BW was dead a couple of years ago. I miss Fantasy, I miss Jangbi, I wanna see some new fresh talent emerge onto the scene and surprise us all! | ||
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SuddenSalad
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Broodwar4lyf
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
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polgas
Canada1722 Posts
On May 17 2017 17:13 reincremate wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm5l9sgqB-w Interesting to see Jaedong's reaction. Thanks, this is fantastic. Shine is amazing. | ||
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usopsama
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
On May 18 2017 06:42 usopsama wrote: "Bag of Builds" Lee Young Han. New alias "Bag of builds" Zerg | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
I wonder if it was a mistake to pull back to regroup after the first engagement. When he pulled back, he immediately lost two tanks and ended up in a tight choke. | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On May 18 2017 06:50 usopsama wrote: Even Jaedong is surprised that Shine won with guardians. Shine's hydras had no upgrades whatsoever. My mind is still blown. How the fuck did he win? I wonder if it was a mistake to pull back to regroup after the first engagement. When he pulled back, he immediately lost two tanks and ended up in a tight choke. had he backed up with those as well to his bunkers and turrets then maybe he'd have time to get another wraith, come from the side with them instead of head on to the hydras. But this is all captain hindsight stuff, Flash would probably not forget to unsiege his tanks but that was an intense battle, any Terran would make mistakes there.(Except Flash cuz he's not any Terran) | ||
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polgas
Canada1722 Posts
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On May 18 2017 09:45 polgas wrote: The fight in open ground is better for the terran ground against the range of the guardians. Exactly. That was my thought. If Mong had not retreated, his marines might have been able to snipe the guardians. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
On May 17 2017 17:13 reincremate wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm5l9sgqB-w Interesting to see Jaedong's reaction. Wow, thanks for doing this. Seriously. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
Here are Jaedong and Mind's full cast. Jaedong's expressions are so good. | ||
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
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Barneyk
Sweden304 Posts
On May 18 2017 10:57 usopsama wrote: Exactly. That was my thought. If Mong had not retreated, his marines might have been able to snipe the guardians. There were lurkers underneath the guardians. Running in with marines was not a good idea. | ||
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