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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
April 19 2007 14:34 GMT
#241
Fuck. I. Hate. Arkanoid. I. Am. Falling. Asleep.
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
April 19 2007 14:35 GMT
#242
On April 19 2007 23:27 entityrj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2007 23:25 thedeadhaji wrote:
On April 19 2007 23:21 entityrj wrote:
On April 19 2007 23:17 thedeadhaji wrote:
On April 19 2007 23:08 entityrj wrote:
On April 19 2007 23:06 Aphelion02 wrote:
Exact same thing happened to Free vs Yellow[arnc] on this map. PvZ looks really fucking hard on this map, everything the zerg does is pretty much impossible to scout.

Actually, that game was nothing like this! are you sure you're remembering that one correctly lol? The end result is the same but how they got there... jesus


LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOL WHAT ???
I just watched free vs yarnc, and the game progression was literally IDENTICAL.
14 nexus -> gate -> forge core -> stargate -> robo
vs
1 hatch muta with 2nd hatch mining gas

mutas fly in, kill nat nexus, go to the tech area, kill cannon there, and begin to confront the protoss air army with muta scourge. Meanwhile both free and stork were clearing the east nat, warping cannons, and getting nexus in the proper position. Literally identical events in the same exact order.

Literally the only differnece was how free/stork responded to this attack by running from the scourge instead of attacking mutas head-on.

Again, what exactly do you think was different up to this point? becuase that's when the game essentially ended for stork.

Mmm, I guess you must be right then, I didn't recall the early game progression being that similar, but if it was: how can you say THAT was the reason Z won that game on that map which is what the original poster was implieing. That game was won and lost for completely different reasons.

Oops :EDIT screwed up post but fixed it


What?

I responded to this statement of yours:

"Actually, that game was nothing like this! are you sure you're remembering that one correctly lol? The end result is the same but how they got there... jesus"


which I showed was completely wrong. Why does aphelion's statement even matter at all when I have shown that your claim on this matter: -- how they got there being differnt -- was completely false.

But I didn't claim how they got there as being different? I used the very general statement of: "that game was nothing like this" and by this, i clearly meant in my mind why that game was lost and won in response for the original poster drawing the connection between the two and citing it as a reason. I'm sorry if I sounded pompous, but you can see my intentions were honest...



so now you are saying that you DIDNT claim that the progression to that point was different?

Well I guess my english skills have really gone downhill now, because I don't see any other way of interpreting
The end result is the same but how they got there... jesus

as anything else.


even with respect to the statement "that game was nothing like this", how can you begin to support this argument when the movement of the mutalisks and scourge, the buildings that were destroyed, the protoss' reaction by expanding to the other natural, could NOT have been more similar. The ONLY differences were (a) spawn loaction (b) scouting path of sair (c) the way the toss responded to the muta scourge attack. And obviously (c) was the only thing pertinent, as (a) and (b) did not prevent the game from progressing identically up to point (c). And at (c), free made a decision that kept him in the game, while stork made a decision that cost him the game.

That is ONE difference at the very end of the game, the reason why the results were different in these two identical games.
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
April 19 2007 14:35 GMT
#243
7:00 for GF.
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20665 Posts
April 19 2007 14:35 GMT
#244
dongrae loses 2 golis and a tank in map center for nothing
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
SpiritAshura
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1271 Posts
April 19 2007 14:35 GMT
#245
GOD could this map get any more boring to watch, honestly? =[
roadrunner_sc
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1220 Posts
April 19 2007 14:35 GMT
#246
Dongrae attempting a break on GF's contain, drops + tanks advance. No luck.

GF floating 4th cc down to bottom left.

DonG double expands. Tries to push into middle & repelled by 4 dropship worth of tanks.

GF's definitely showing much better mobility this game.

4 DS from DonG wraps around and drops bottom left.
Average Posts Per Week: 13.37
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20665 Posts
April 19 2007 14:35 GMT
#247
only 5 ship for dongrae

9 for goodfriend or something crazy like that

gf clearly the better player, I think

DG drops bottom left
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-19 14:39:45
April 19 2007 14:36 GMT
#248
Haji wins. Entity, stfu for now. Save your thoughts for a PM. ^_^

GF drops 3:00. GF suffers unit losses + scv losses. GF suffers tank losses. GF got the better of that one.
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YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
April 19 2007 14:36 GMT
#249
On April 19 2007 23:33 entityrj wrote:
But I DIDNT say you were "defending" the original poster OR that the "two games progressions were entirely different". To quote myself: "that game was nothing like this!" is a very general statement and I've tried my best to point out what I meant with "this". I admit I didn't have an exact memory of how that game STARTED, but remembering the game overall, I posted what I posted.

You said yourself you had to rewatch the game right? But since I was operating on just general memory, that's why I said they were different.

And I just want to defend myself... do I really sound like that's not what I meant? I'm sorry then...

newsflash: nobody cares.
what the fuck do you have to say for yourself now you protoss jackass can you retaliate in any way
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
April 19 2007 14:37 GMT
#250
On April 19 2007 23:33 entityrj wrote:
You said yourself you had to rewatch the game right? But since I was operating on just general memory, that's why I said they were different.


You operated on FALSE presumptions and put down a poster based on this false information. What is your point.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-19 14:38:14
April 19 2007 14:37 GMT
#251
On April 19 2007 23:33 entityrj wrote:I'm sorry then...


Ok, case closed.
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
April 19 2007 14:38 GMT
#252
GF camps tanks outside the NE part of centre. DG can't seem to get out, GF tries to push through a bit, but DG has 8+ ships...
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20665 Posts
April 19 2007 14:38 GMT
#253
four base vs 3, dg has more bases

gf has more tanks

similar numbers of ships for both
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
April 19 2007 14:38 GMT
#254
me -> sleep
entityrj
Profile Joined March 2007
United States185 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-19 14:40:39
April 19 2007 14:39 GMT
#255
On April 19 2007 23:35 thedeadhaji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2007 23:27 entityrj wrote:
On April 19 2007 23:25 thedeadhaji wrote:
On April 19 2007 23:21 entityrj wrote:
On April 19 2007 23:17 thedeadhaji wrote:
On April 19 2007 23:08 entityrj wrote:
On April 19 2007 23:06 Aphelion02 wrote:
Exact same thing happened to Free vs Yellow[arnc] on this map. PvZ looks really fucking hard on this map, everything the zerg does is pretty much impossible to scout.

Actually, that game was nothing like this! are you sure you're remembering that one correctly lol? The end result is the same but how they got there... jesus


LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOL WHAT ???
I just watched free vs yarnc, and the game progression was literally IDENTICAL.
14 nexus -> gate -> forge core -> stargate -> robo
vs
1 hatch muta with 2nd hatch mining gas

mutas fly in, kill nat nexus, go to the tech area, kill cannon there, and begin to confront the protoss air army with muta scourge. Meanwhile both free and stork were clearing the east nat, warping cannons, and getting nexus in the proper position. Literally identical events in the same exact order.

Literally the only differnece was how free/stork responded to this attack by running from the scourge instead of attacking mutas head-on.

Again, what exactly do you think was different up to this point? becuase that's when the game essentially ended for stork.

Mmm, I guess you must be right then, I didn't recall the early game progression being that similar, but if it was: how can you say THAT was the reason Z won that game on that map which is what the original poster was implieing. That game was won and lost for completely different reasons.

Oops :EDIT screwed up post but fixed it


What?

I responded to this statement of yours:

"Actually, that game was nothing like this! are you sure you're remembering that one correctly lol? The end result is the same but how they got there... jesus"


which I showed was completely wrong. Why does aphelion's statement even matter at all when I have shown that your claim on this matter: -- how they got there being differnt -- was completely false.

But I didn't claim how they got there as being different? I used the very general statement of: "that game was nothing like this" and by this, i clearly meant in my mind why that game was lost and won in response for the original poster drawing the connection between the two and citing it as a reason. I'm sorry if I sounded pompous, but you can see my intentions were honest...



so now you are saying that you DIDNT claim that the progression to that point was different?

Well I guess my english skills have really gone downhill now, because I don't see any other way of interpreting
Show nested quote +
The end result is the same but how they got there... jesus

as anything else.


even with respect to the statement "that game was nothing like this", how can you begin to support this argument when the movement of the mutalisks and scourge, the buildings that were destroyed, the protoss' reaction by expanding to the other natural, could NOT have been more similar. The ONLY differences were (a) spawn loaction (b) scouting path of sair (c) the way the toss responded to the muta scourge attack. And obviously (c) was the only thing pertinent, as (a) and (b) did not prevent the game from progressing identically up to point (c). And at (c), free made a decision that kept him in the game, while stork made a decision that cost him the game.

That is ONE difference at the very end of the game, the reason why the results were different in these two identical games.

I understand what you mean, but I just want to make it clear that the difference resulted in a much longer game, with my memory recalling most of that extenstion, and that's why I said they were "entirely different", the whole game ended up very differently after all didn't it?

And when I said "how they got there", that's exactly what I meant, that game played out much longer and quite differently didn't it? I know you have a superior knowledge of that game than me and you've shown it, but you keep responding as if I had savagely posted an ignorant response when all I was saying was I remember them being different!! and you can see why I remember that!!

I'm very sorry then to the original poster and haji, I really meant no harm.

Edit: I know this is bothering everyone and as someone said, nobody cares, but I've tried to explain myself as best I could.
Ghost in the Shell: Affection
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20665 Posts
April 19 2007 14:39 GMT
#256
DG gets fifth multi

GF gets fourth

GF suiciding SCVs now, whoa
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
April 19 2007 14:39 GMT
#257
Uh. DG has 5:00 i assume, and 7:00 is gone. So DG has a base advantage.
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roadrunner_sc
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1220 Posts
April 19 2007 14:39 GMT
#258
GF attempts counter at DonG 3'o expo. some scvs taken out but no major damage.

GF shifting his containment up, 4 tanks left.

Another drop by GF into 5'o clock, repelled by DS contents from DonG.

DonG has about +2 DS worth of units. GF tries to invade bottom right again. Doesn't want to engage DonG superior numbers, forced back.
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
April 19 2007 14:40 GMT
#259
Oh yeah, entity, didn't meant to say "stfu"... the whole thing was just annoying me. I also meant no harm.
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20665 Posts
April 19 2007 14:40 GMT
#260
GF loses a full ship, damn

that stupid decision to counter cost him advantage... he traded a base for nothing. should have just gone with the safe decision and defended.

GF getting fifth multi, DG has scary army
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