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classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
March 19 2017 13:47 GMT
#241
On March 19 2017 22:46 BLinD-RawR wrote:
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On March 19 2017 22:45 classicyellow83 wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:44 lestye wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:42 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Flash: "I always said that there's no one to pick during the group selection ceremony. I have someone now to pick."


he'll pick mini, if mini ever qualifies, Flash will pick mini, he hates him so much lol.

wait whats the story with mini?

Flash picked mini as the most annoying player to play against because of mini's unconventional and harass heavy plays. He doesn't really hate him. They are friendly to each other when they are on discord.


by hate I don't actually mean hate, I should have said hates playing against him.

i knew what you meant
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
ZeroChrome
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1001 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-19 13:49:55
March 19 2017 13:49 GMT
#242
What are you guys even saying, "mech switch cost him the game"... it put him into a position that was almost impossible to lose from. Soulkey just played extremely extremely well and then punished Flash for being careless with his valkyries.

That game would have been over much sooner if Flash tried to go SK terran after his failed 5 rax attack.
Forward
gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
March 19 2017 13:50 GMT
#243
On March 19 2017 22:46 LaStScan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 22:39 mdb wrote:
that switch to mech cost flash the game


True. if it's FS and late mech switch, zerg won't win.
5 gas T mech vs 5 gas zerg is not the same as 5 gas + 2 mineral expo mech vs 5 gas + 2 mineral expo zerg

I've been repeating about this on my live stream channel, but they won't know. xD
I hope they can realize this later in the future.

Would you agree that Last's hybrid lategame style is more stable on CB than Flash's hard mech switch?
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-19 14:02:55
March 19 2017 13:50 GMT
#244
On March 19 2017 22:46 duke91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 22:33 Lucumo wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:24 Lucumo wrote:
You guys realize Flash is sandbagging, right?

So either Flash sandbagged into losing or he actually played really badly. He was ahead pretty much all game, even ahead in bases against a Zerg.


These rules don't apply anymore. Zerg cannot get over 4 bases in a long time, and Terran needs to defend 3-4 positions at once. If he doesn't have enough defense everywhere, Zerg can snowball even with 4 bases because zerg units are way more efficient at low unit counts against mech.

Soulkey played extremely well, and engaged most of the time much more efficient than most zergs would do.

Flash also seemed to have a lot of 'naked tank' positions all over the map, i.e. not much vulture or antiair support, especially in the last 10 minutes.

So then the tanks get crackling/ultra dropped, or crack-rushed via a nice dark swarm and the trade is overwhelmingly pro-Zerg $$$-wise.

And SK didn't just win the engagements, he forced them, repeatedly, all over the place, knowing that was draining Flash. And that Flash couldn't defend well everywhere.

Really good strategy and play by Soulkey.
User was warned for being hilarious
jamesuh
Profile Joined January 2011
United States82 Posts
March 19 2017 13:53 GMT
#245
That ace match was the most beautiful game I've seen in a very very long time
tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
March 19 2017 13:54 GMT
#246
Thanks to Soulkey for making my day! Now i'm looking forward to Flash and Soulkey rivalry to be continued in ASL 3.
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-19 13:55:18
March 19 2017 13:55 GMT
#247
...
User was warned for being hilarious
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5156 Posts
March 19 2017 13:56 GMT
#248
FBH #1!
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
March 19 2017 13:56 GMT
#249
On March 19 2017 22:46 duke91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 22:33 Lucumo wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:24 Lucumo wrote:
You guys realize Flash is sandbagging, right?

So either Flash sandbagged into losing or he actually played really badly. He was ahead pretty much all game, even ahead in bases against a Zerg.


These rules don't apply anymore. Zerg cannot get over 4 bases in a long time, and Terran needs to defend 3-4 positions at once. If he doesn't have enough defense everywhere, Zerg can snowball even with 4 bases because zerg units are way more efficient at low unit counts against mech.

Soulkey played extremely well, and engaged most of the time much more efficient than most zergs would do.

No, Flash was suiciding units (tank only attacks) etc which looked like sandbagging to give the people a better game. Tanks + Goliaths + Vultures would have won him the game. He also could have pressured more but he left SK alone for a while to build more bases which also led me to believe he doesn't want it to end early.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
March 19 2017 13:57 GMT
#250
WOONGJIN STARS FOREVER~~~~
The heart's eternal vow
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50465 Posts
March 19 2017 13:57 GMT
#251
On March 19 2017 22:44 tanngard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 22:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:39 mdb wrote:
that switch to mech cost flash the game


we need to frame this post, someday in the future this will come true in every TvZ

no more will T be considered imba and everyone will be happy.

except protoss.

fuck protoss.

Protoss has by far the least starleague champions. Why the hate?


I don't like protoss lol.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-19 14:17:29
March 19 2017 14:03 GMT
#252
On March 19 2017 22:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 22:44 tanngard wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:39 mdb wrote:
that switch to mech cost flash the game


we need to frame this post, someday in the future this will come true in every TvZ

no more will T be considered imba and everyone will be happy.

except protoss.

fuck protoss.

Protoss has by far the least starleague champions. Why the hate?


I don't like protoss lol.

Who does? The no-mouth thing is freaky.
User was warned for being hilarious
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
March 19 2017 14:20 GMT
#253
On March 19 2017 22:50 gngfn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 22:46 LaStScan wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:39 mdb wrote:
that switch to mech cost flash the game


True. if it's FS and late mech switch, zerg won't win.
5 gas T mech vs 5 gas zerg is not the same as 5 gas + 2 mineral expo mech vs 5 gas + 2 mineral expo zerg

I've been repeating about this on my live stream channel, but they won't know. xD
I hope they can realize this later in the future.

Would you agree that Last's hybrid lategame style is more stable on CB than Flash's hard mech switch?


What is his hybrid late game style?
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
March 19 2017 14:23 GMT
#254
^ Well he sometimes goes 2star and delays the mech switch for a while, giving him more pressure.
Btw I think left vs right split on CB makes it much easier for Zerg to stretch Terran out compared to top vs bottom split
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
March 19 2017 15:54 GMT
#255
On March 19 2017 22:56 Lucumo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 22:46 duke91 wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:33 Lucumo wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:24 Lucumo wrote:
You guys realize Flash is sandbagging, right?

So either Flash sandbagged into losing or he actually played really badly. He was ahead pretty much all game, even ahead in bases against a Zerg.


These rules don't apply anymore. Zerg cannot get over 4 bases in a long time, and Terran needs to defend 3-4 positions at once. If he doesn't have enough defense everywhere, Zerg can snowball even with 4 bases because zerg units are way more efficient at low unit counts against mech.

Soulkey played extremely well, and engaged most of the time much more efficient than most zergs would do.

No, Flash was suiciding units (tank only attacks) etc which looked like sandbagging to give the people a better game. Tanks + Goliaths + Vultures would have won him the game. He also could have pressured more but he left SK alone for a while to build more bases which also led me to believe he doesn't want it to end early.


At no time Flash could have moved out when he had all bases to defend.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
March 19 2017 16:12 GMT
#256
Awesome game, and now we won't have to hear complaints about terran/Flash imbalance for a while

Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
rand0MPrecisi0n
Profile Joined February 2017
313 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-19 16:15:36
March 19 2017 16:15 GMT
#257
Soulkey is watching/analyzing the game on his stream now
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
March 19 2017 16:18 GMT
#258
Flash's unit composition in his groups felt wonky as the game dragged on, like his stagger timing on production was missing beats.

But what a game out of soulkey, his mechanics and his composure were fucking perfect from minute 1 until the end. Keeping up with dark swarm casts on the bottom right corner expo, the precision of their usage during the final gigantic siege of the high ground outside his natural, as well as the constant filling of overlords is something you just don't see out of zergs. You even had two occasions on the 9 o'clock where Soulkey flat out outsmarted Flash: the drone transition with the ling runby to keep them out of Flash's vision range and the Overlord flyby at a later defense of the 9 o'clock where Flash just assumed it was going to be a standard flyby with the purpose of impairing his vision and instead ended up being a drop exactly as he started to leapfrog.

The key to lategame ZvT I have been believing for years lies in quick switches between mutas and scourges to flood Terran's supply count with units that don't do enough for them. This game I felt pretty validated outside of the final Muta wave doing 5 dmg per shot to Flash's 3/3 goliaths...
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
March 19 2017 16:27 GMT
#259
On March 19 2017 23:20 LaStScan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 22:50 gngfn wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:46 LaStScan wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:39 mdb wrote:
that switch to mech cost flash the game


True. if it's FS and late mech switch, zerg won't win.
5 gas T mech vs 5 gas zerg is not the same as 5 gas + 2 mineral expo mech vs 5 gas + 2 mineral expo zerg

I've been repeating about this on my live stream channel, but they won't know. xD
I hope they can realize this later in the future.

Would you agree that Last's hybrid lategame style is more stable on CB than Flash's hard mech switch?


What is his hybrid late game style?


Basically instead of going full mech switch, do a mech switch but keep your 5 rax and still mass some bio. Great against zerglings.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
March 19 2017 16:38 GMT
#260
Soulkey's play was incredible, sick game
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