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tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
March 19 2017 16:45 GMT
#261
On March 20 2017 01:15 rand0MPrecisi0n wrote:
Soulkey is watching/analyzing the game on his stream now

He has 5765 viewers right now! Usually SK dont have more than 50 like. I am so happy for him ^_^

I wonder if those 3 overlords that got irridated was empty or not. Anyone knows what he said about that?

The level of Soulkeys game today made me remember his lategame against terrans back in the day. I remember a game against Fantasy where he lost his main, but manage to come back with the sickest anti.mech play. Pretty reminicent of his style today, with the drops and all. For a time Mech was unbeatable back in 2010 because as a new strategy zergs struggled to find solutions, but Zero and Soulkey developed the strategies and tactics to fix it. Those were the days!
tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-19 17:03:21
March 19 2017 17:03 GMT
#262
What are those red numbers on Soulkeys stream. Balloons?
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6709 Posts
March 19 2017 17:05 GMT
#263
On March 20 2017 01:27 duke91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 23:20 LaStScan wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:50 gngfn wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:46 LaStScan wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:39 mdb wrote:
that switch to mech cost flash the game


True. if it's FS and late mech switch, zerg won't win.
5 gas T mech vs 5 gas zerg is not the same as 5 gas + 2 mineral expo mech vs 5 gas + 2 mineral expo zerg

I've been repeating about this on my live stream channel, but they won't know. xD
I hope they can realize this later in the future.

Would you agree that Last's hybrid lategame style is more stable on CB than Flash's hard mech switch?


What is his hybrid late game style?


Basically instead of going full mech switch, do a mech switch but keep your 5 rax and still mass some bio. Great against zerglings.

ok just saw the game,flash actually took 5 bases with bio and some mine vultures,his mech transition was late,but there is a big problem with flash build,he made an early push with like 8 marines 2 medics,then 2 firebats,he allowed soulkey to scout his main,he made 4 firebats in total,his +1 attack was very very delayed,he made 5 rax with no upgrades,this is a big deal,late tech,no tank pressure,no drops,he killed some drones at the third,like 4 5 drones,that expansion wasnt working when the vultures run in.for some reason he couldnt save the vessels,as a terran player u want to have 6-7 vessels,otherwise u cant play without goliaths like he did.in theory FlaSh is the camp master and father of turrets,the lack of turrets let soulkey drop when he wanted.now the biggest problem i see.Flash was playing like a zerg player trying to take down expansions with minor forces and in some cases lossing 10 tanks for free,everytime soulkey decided to attack with lings there was not opisition,no enough mines,no vultures,soulkey played this game with a minimum of gaz invest in lurkers defilers,he was mostly playing mass drop lings and maybe 1 lurk in overlord,but mostly cleaning flashs army with lings,he was in 4 gazes+ 2 minerals only,he was ok with minerals.i can actually say soulkey was in a good position to the lategame,but then flash took 5 expos right away,this is pretty scary,but flash was very very very agresive,usually u force the zerg to trade all the bad possible,in this case flash was donating over and over.and yeah soulkey was pretty good with mutas,they were always in the right position doing the right thing.
sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
March 19 2017 17:11 GMT
#264
The 3 ols were loaded.
And he said when he found 3 lings killed a scv buliding base at 5:30 with 2 attacks, he realized he forgot to upgrade "Adrenal Glands".
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sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
March 19 2017 17:12 GMT
#265
On March 20 2017 02:03 tanngard wrote:
What are those red numbers on Soulkeys stream. Balloons?


Total amount of balloons.
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duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
March 19 2017 17:14 GMT
#266
Honestly I think Flash biggest mistake was to underestimate Soulkey and his engages. Soulkey is so much more composed compared to the likes of Larva, hence Flash did things which may only work against Larva. I guess Flash should stop practicing with him.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
March 19 2017 17:15 GMT
#267
Piano said, he told Soulkey to upgrade "Burrow" in order to attack Reavers in 2v2.
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tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
March 19 2017 17:24 GMT
#268
On March 20 2017 02:12 sc19980331 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 02:03 tanngard wrote:
What are those red numbers on Soulkeys stream. Balloons?


Total amount of balloons.

Thank you for answering me.

There was some guy who donated 5000 balloons! Amazing. Korean fans are very genorous it seems. I wonder if i can donate as well.

rand0MPrecisi0n
Profile Joined February 2017
313 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-19 17:32:42
March 19 2017 17:32 GMT
#269
On March 20 2017 02:11 sc19980331 wrote:
The 3 ols were loaded.
And he said when he found 3 lings killed a scv buliding base at 5:30 with 2 attacks, he realized he forgot to upgrade "Adrenal Glands".


thanks for the translations!
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
March 19 2017 17:33 GMT
#270
We can really say that Soulkey took his first BW championship. Those ling, ultra drops with swarm engagements almost gave me chills. That's how you play zerg.
sunbeams are never made like me...
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10211 Posts
March 19 2017 17:40 GMT
#271
Brb on suicide watch
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
March 19 2017 18:57 GMT
#272
Sick final, incredible run by this "underdogs" team. This is probably the best we could get and I say that as a Flash fan :p
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
March 19 2017 19:03 GMT
#273
The only thing that can kill God is a mech switch.
Marl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States692 Posts
March 19 2017 19:40 GMT
#274
Awesome tournament and amazing finals! Soulkey looking stronger than Jaedong !
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2607 Posts
March 19 2017 19:51 GMT
#275
Tbh it should have been Last playing the Ace match. He is most likely the best player at the moment.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19276 Posts
March 19 2017 20:13 GMT
#276
Flash went two rax earlier with failed pressure instead of gas fast +1. +1 rines kill muta timings so much better imo and is the true Flash build. Flash chose to be aggressive because of close spawn and failed.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
HaN-
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
France1920 Posts
March 19 2017 20:18 GMT
#277
Such an epic event all in all.
So happy for Soulkey he fucking deserves it. I hope his stream won't stay at 40 viewers from now on.
Calendaraka Foxhan
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10211 Posts
March 19 2017 21:36 GMT
#278
Looking back: FlaSh went 2 rax aggro into 5 rax. his +1 is going to be delayed which is why he had so much trouble in the early game. also when soulkey went for that early ling runby, flash's medic was in his mineral line, not out at the front, would have made a huge difference and would allow him to fend off the attack. also gdi flash fucking put a supply depot at the front to close your choke more.

also those mutas were the mvp of the game, i think they killed like 20 tanks by themselves, it was disgusting. just make some more goliaths or remake a couple of vessels. those valks did nothing

soulkey played a great game though. i feel like flash might want to try more old school with mnm vessel while slowly building up a huge tank force. mnm is just so good against lings and those swarms did a ton for soulkey.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
March 19 2017 21:38 GMT
#279
I slept thinking welp 5 rax...

SoulKey won?!?!?
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
March 19 2017 22:10 GMT
#280
Good god Soulkey played a fucking fantastic game in the finals. His multitasking and drop micro was off the hook.

He's always had games like this in him but to see him perform like that against Flash in a finals game is just amazing.
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