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r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
March 19 2017 22:24 GMT
#281
On March 20 2017 01:27 duke91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 23:20 LaStScan wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:50 gngfn wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:46 LaStScan wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:39 mdb wrote:
that switch to mech cost flash the game


True. if it's FS and late mech switch, zerg won't win.
5 gas T mech vs 5 gas zerg is not the same as 5 gas + 2 mineral expo mech vs 5 gas + 2 mineral expo zerg

I've been repeating about this on my live stream channel, but they won't know. xD
I hope they can realize this later in the future.

Would you agree that Last's hybrid lategame style is more stable on CB than Flash's hard mech switch?


What is his hybrid late game style?


Basically instead of going full mech switch, do a mech switch but keep your 5 rax and still mass some bio. Great against zerglings.

Isn't there a simcity problem by doing that? Like, in what maps does your main allow you to have what, 9 production buildings? Are you supposed to build factories in wall-in spots at your natural?
Muff2n
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom251 Posts
March 19 2017 22:56 GMT
#282
I just came here to say: Omg that final match!
Urth
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1253 Posts
March 19 2017 22:57 GMT
#283
Just watched as well, sick game
BY.HERO FIGHTING!!!!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10334 Posts
March 19 2017 23:15 GMT
#284
On March 20 2017 07:24 r33k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 01:27 duke91 wrote:
On March 19 2017 23:20 LaStScan wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:50 gngfn wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:46 LaStScan wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:39 mdb wrote:
that switch to mech cost flash the game


True. if it's FS and late mech switch, zerg won't win.
5 gas T mech vs 5 gas zerg is not the same as 5 gas + 2 mineral expo mech vs 5 gas + 2 mineral expo zerg

I've been repeating about this on my live stream channel, but they won't know. xD
I hope they can realize this later in the future.

Would you agree that Last's hybrid lategame style is more stable on CB than Flash's hard mech switch?


What is his hybrid late game style?


Basically instead of going full mech switch, do a mech switch but keep your 5 rax and still mass some bio. Great against zerglings.

Isn't there a simcity problem by doing that? Like, in what maps does your main allow you to have what, 9 production buildings? Are you supposed to build factories in wall-in spots at your natural?

typically you add like another 2-4 factories at the other main or wherever your other gas bases are
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 00:17:21
March 19 2017 23:56 GMT
#285
Really entertaining final set! Nice to hear Afreeca and the sponsor, Dabang, talking about future team events.

Unsung hero in PianO, alongside Soulkey, going (Wiki)5-0 in 2v2 matches. While team captain GuemChi only managed a 2-3 record, his teammates carried the day, going 9-1 and 7-3.

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Looking forward to the TBLS show match next week:

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Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden310 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 00:38:27
March 20 2017 00:31 GMT
#286
God that last game was amazing, I was so sure that Flash had it since he was at least a base up on Soulkey for the first half of the game or so.

His mech army seemed to be way to tank heavy and clumped up.

A part of me want to say that he seemed to try and do to much but he was effectively denying the 9 o'clock constantly and that was the only clear thing he really did.

Maybe he didn't have a good plan for anything else which is why it seemed like he was everywhere doing everything but no real focus beyond that?

I don't see enough people talk about what absolutely insane dark swarms Soulkey had all over the place, the multitasking and precision to get them down like that had me just gasping with awe.

The narrow narrow hold of the 3rd by Soulkey had my heart racing, god, what a game. Soulkey played sick all day, his comeback in the 2v2 was crazy as well.

I do agree that it felt a bit like Flash was trying for a longer game to make it more exciting, but I don't know. His composition felt weird.
I don't think that was actually the case, but it did feel a bit like that.
nah
nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1341 Posts
March 20 2017 02:19 GMT
#287
Wish I still had my Woongjin badge right now. Woooo! So glad they won!!
Gak2
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada418 Posts
March 20 2017 03:57 GMT
#288
Oh myyy.. I don't understand this game anymore
sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
March 20 2017 04:04 GMT
#289
Update:
Soulkey was the MVP winner in final, prize was about 5000 balloons / 500 usds.
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Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
March 20 2017 04:35 GMT
#290
Watched the game again today, just so good. So happy we have a zerg who can match late game terrans, and against flash of all people. Fuck yeah soulkey, zergs that are good against terrans are always fascinating to watch, hopefully jaedong can catchup but I knew soulkey wouldn't go down easily. I always thought mutas could still be good against late game terran because of all the tanks, and the vessels + goliaths are not enough to counter sneaky mutalisks trying to snipe tanks I think. Soulkey played this perfectly well by really using everything that makes it so hard for a terran to play against in the late game. The overlords floating threatening a drop using advantage of the immobility of a terran's mech army, attacking the other bases in the opposite side of the map at the same time, goddamn defilers + cracklings and ultra everywhere just wrecking havoc on those tanks, so hard for a terran to defend and take the right decisions in those situations. So beautiful and those moments really make a game like bw shine above any other game in my opinion. I was really hoping to see a zerg succeeding against terrans, I wasn't expecting it to be in a finals against flash! Awesome stuff :D
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
March 20 2017 05:12 GMT
#291
On March 20 2017 08:15 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 07:24 r33k wrote:
On March 20 2017 01:27 duke91 wrote:
On March 19 2017 23:20 LaStScan wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:50 gngfn wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:46 LaStScan wrote:
On March 19 2017 22:39 mdb wrote:
that switch to mech cost flash the game


True. if it's FS and late mech switch, zerg won't win.
5 gas T mech vs 5 gas zerg is not the same as 5 gas + 2 mineral expo mech vs 5 gas + 2 mineral expo zerg

I've been repeating about this on my live stream channel, but they won't know. xD
I hope they can realize this later in the future.

Would you agree that Last's hybrid lategame style is more stable on CB than Flash's hard mech switch?


What is his hybrid late game style?


Basically instead of going full mech switch, do a mech switch but keep your 5 rax and still mass some bio. Great against zerglings.

Isn't there a simcity problem by doing that? Like, in what maps does your main allow you to have what, 9 production buildings? Are you supposed to build factories in wall-in spots at your natural?

typically you add like another 2-4 factories at the other main or wherever your other gas bases are


last built his factories right outside his FE in front of the two bridges on CB. plenty of room there.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
March 20 2017 06:23 GMT
#292
Wow those drops and dark swarms in the endgame were just amazing. Incredible micro while keeping up huge macro... great final match.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 20 2017 07:01 GMT
#293
Just got around to watching the games. Pretty entertaining overall and dang, way to go Soulkey! I didn't think anyone would be able to take down Flash late game. My only complaint or rather observation is that I thought Flash played a little less characteristically like himself. He made mnm micro mistakes that felt a bit off and it was odd to see him kinda skimp out on AA. I mean, sure, the valks were a nice addition but they didn't do squat.

Another example is when he tried to attack Soulkey's mineral only at the 7 o'clock position. He walked right into a dark swarm and lost so many tanks to zerglings and ultras; 15 at least. Like, if he didn't keep up with his macro, Soulkey could've taken that game earlier because Flash made lots of those kind of mistakes. He did a great job denying the 9 o'clock base but then he'll have patches of tanks with no mines or vultures or AA around.

Soulkey played it really well so credits to him. The constant drops and aggression+dark swarm use etc... really helped him overcome Flash. I do hope he grows to become a fantastic ZvT player regardless of the stage of the game because the scene really needs someone who can beat Terrans of Flash and Last's caliber. Jaedong seems to still be struggling, ZerO is going to the army and hero isn't doing that well in ZvT. Maybe when Killer comes back, he'll have a chance but it'll take a long while before he gets to the same level he was before.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19307 Posts
March 20 2017 07:25 GMT
#294
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ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13307 Posts
March 20 2017 09:47 GMT
#295
Amazing last game. Thought flash had that at so many different points. That 5 rax build is so brutal for zergs to defend.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
March 20 2017 10:14 GMT
#296
I literally just watched the vod from a hospital bed. I went in for heart problems and the finals match almost pushed my heart disease into a full blown heart attack.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
March 20 2017 10:25 GMT
#297
On March 20 2017 19:14 SCC-Faust wrote:
I literally just watched the vod from a hospital bed. I went in for heart problems and the finals match almost pushed my heart disease into a full blown heart attack.


Wtf really? :O You alright?
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
March 20 2017 10:42 GMT
#298
On March 20 2017 19:25 Essbee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 19:14 SCC-Faust wrote:
I literally just watched the vod from a hospital bed. I went in for heart problems and the finals match almost pushed my heart disease into a full blown heart attack.


Wtf really? :O You alright?


Yes. I live another day. Have Ehlers Danlos syndrome. Life is hard.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden310 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 12:29:35
March 20 2017 12:29 GMT
#299
On March 20 2017 16:01 BigFan wrote:
the valks were a nice addition but they didn't do squat.

They wrecked like 6 full overlords at one point though?
nah
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
March 20 2017 12:45 GMT
#300
On March 20 2017 19:42 SCC-Faust wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 19:25 Essbee wrote:
On March 20 2017 19:14 SCC-Faust wrote:
I literally just watched the vod from a hospital bed. I went in for heart problems and the finals match almost pushed my heart disease into a full blown heart attack.


Wtf really? :O You alright?


Yes. I live another day. Have Ehlers Danlos syndrome. Life is hard.


I just took the time to read about it, that sucks man, really feel bad for you, I do hope you are able to find solace somehow by doing things you like, like watching awesome bw games. Brood war is too exciting
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