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Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
January 17 2017 19:34 GMT
#1481
Watching Flash's response to 3 hatch muta makes me feel like I'm suffocating.
Better than Pokebunny
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-18 16:26:57
January 17 2017 19:35 GMT
#1482
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5234 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 19:36:46
January 17 2017 19:35 GMT
#1483
On January 18 2017 04:31 Assault_1 wrote:
Does twitch have any vods of this? It's weird I didn't see any recorded in the twitch channel

No, they stopped doing that quite early in the league and deleted previous twitch VODs. Probably because of a deal AfreecaTV made with YouTube.
FBH #1!
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1765 Posts
January 17 2017 19:57 GMT
#1484
How can they both still be sooo goood?! Well done, Flash.

Jaedong, you are still the man! A few more successful tactical strats and your aggression would've won out. They should design a much better map to take a 3rd base.
Leee Jaee Doong
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 20:04:13
January 17 2017 20:02 GMT
#1485
On January 18 2017 03:05 Gorsameth wrote:
The brain suffers from such long hours and doesn't retain information as well but a lot of training is more like muscle memory and I don't know what the diminishing return on that is.

Fairly big as anyone who's massed game can attest, not to mention the permanent damage. Ultimately the East Asian method of madness to study until you collapse is objectively foolish.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
[wh]_ForAlways
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States235 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 20:14:37
January 17 2017 20:14 GMT
#1486
On January 18 2017 04:31 Assault_1 wrote:
Does twitch have any vods of this? It's weird I didn't see any recorded in the twitch channel


There's VODs on youtube but they have constant skipping issues. I'd recommend watching the vod on ASL's Afreeca channel

http://afreeca.tv/36855042/v/57798

All vods at: http://afreeca.tv/2016ASL
MattRz
Profile Joined April 2011
Chile1680 Posts
January 17 2017 20:15 GMT
#1487
On January 18 2017 04:06 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:37 esdf wrote:
https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=vC-pPMOrsKw vods

but they're horrible, skipping nonstop.. anyone got some non chopped up vods?


Can someone edit the Afreeca Tastosis VOD into the OP?

Youtube vod is screwy but http://afreeca.tv/36855042/v/57798 is fine.


Thank you so much for this.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake ♞
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
January 17 2017 20:37 GMT
#1488
And now you guys should watch HoSic Starleague tomorrow featuring Larva, Light, MiSo and Sky
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5234 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 20:43:24
January 17 2017 20:42 GMT
#1489
On January 18 2017 05:37 TheNewEra wrote:
And now you guys should watch HoSic Starleague tomorrow featuring Larva, Light, MiSo and Sky

lol... like giving a kid his fav desert and then telling him he still has to finish eating his veggies after he finished his desert. I doubt they will get over 100 50 views. :D
FBH #1!
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
January 17 2017 20:47 GMT
#1490
On January 18 2017 05:42 Peeano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 05:37 TheNewEra wrote:
And now you guys should watch HoSic Starleague tomorrow featuring Larva, Light, MiSo and Sky

lol... like giving a kid his fav desert and then telling him he still has to finish eating his veggies after he finished his desert. I doubt they will get over 100 50 views. :D

One can hope considering that most groups of HoSic were more entertaning or straight up better than everythin played in ASL minus the Semifinals
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
January 17 2017 21:07 GMT
#1491
4th game was the most exciting. I was "screaming" at my monitor, no way that's going to work and the madman DID IT. Lmao.
new BW-player (~E rank fish) twitch.tv/crispydrone || What plays 500 games a season but can't get better? => http://imgur.com/a/pLzf9 <= ||
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18605 Posts
January 17 2017 21:09 GMT
#1492
so Jaedong is already a better player than Flash with way less practice? haha
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
January 17 2017 21:19 GMT
#1493
On January 17 2017 22:19 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 22:14 Exosus wrote:
Yea I would never take away any of the achievements Flash has had I would never argue he didnt deserve the win. But I mean something as simple as a different map pool or slightly different racial balance and it couldve gone in favor of Jaedong.

It just seems like Zerg has had a lot less dominating players overall and the current state is kinda reflecting that. Id really love to be able to get through some statistics about how many pro players there were for each race and what their statistics were.


After a series like this is not the best time to start going off on a big, confirmation bias laden search for evidence that supports your initial suspicion. You'll be able to find the stats that support your view if you look hard enough....

No one stat can "prove" balance, but something that manages to be forgotten a lot is that from 2009 till the end of BW in 2012, only Flash and Fantasy made it to an OSL or MSL final out of Terrans, but something like 7 or 8 Zergs made it to a final.
I think for a g)ood while when 2 hatch was dominating, zvt was actually zerg favoured by like 5-10%. Idra used to make a lot of rage posts about how defilier late game was impossible, all the zerg had to do was camp, muta micro was too good etc. We might see terran dominate right until the end of bw simply because of the existing incentives/distribution of skill, but I dont for a second think the meta has fully been figured out. Given enough resources (interesting players/conducive environments) im sure there are quite a few meta game switches that still "out there" to be discovered. Personally hopeful that mech switch will get more and more soft countered, as aggro bio player is vastly more entertaining to play against and watch.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 21:43:42
January 17 2017 21:32 GMT
#1494
Omg I was expecting 3-0 beatdown but Jaedong proved me wrong, thanx Jae. Especially game 4 was something else,not only he did the unthinkable , but won with it too!
It will be sad if Flash retires due to trolls though, how dumb can they be? Not what the scene needs right now and for sure, not what Flash deserves especially with all he has achieved.
On January 18 2017 06:19 Dazed_Spy wrote:
I think for a g)ood while when 2 hatch was dominating, zvt was actually zerg favoured by like 5-10%. Idra used to make a lot of rage posts about how defilier late game was impossible, all the zerg had to do was camp, muta micro was too good etc. We might see terran dominate right until the end of bw simply because of the existing incentives/distribution of skill, but I dont for a second think the meta has fully been figured out. Given enough resources (interesting players/conducive environments) im sure there are quite a few meta game switches that still "out there" to be discovered. Personally hopeful that mech switch will get more and more soft countered, as aggro bio player is vastly more entertaining to play against and watch.

I don't really see how Terran is dominating right now, not all Terrans are Flash. Mech switch is overhyped, sure it's strong but zergs can handle it quite well if they don't go into late game with disadvantage. And we have definitely seen different builds/transitions in the last two years, one gate expand has completely changed ZvP, mid-late game muta switching against mech, super fast hive with queens nest before den (which actually works quite often), three base openers becoming somewhat popular and not only in Benzene, Last's variation with 2star-> late mech and probably more stuff in TvP which I don't know about.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10020 Posts
January 17 2017 21:49 GMT
#1495
Anyone know how many viewers the korean stream got?
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 21:51:07
January 17 2017 21:50 GMT
#1496
Ugh I just realised, game 5



Same spawns, that third... Was painful to watch live, too.
MMOs kill APM. However Proleague plus BW Proscene music increase APM -> 100. 이제동 Fighting! Highest ranked Jaedong owner in FPL10 = clearly #1 Jaedong fan~! <- Keeping my sig from 2010
RAPiDCasting
Profile Joined July 2009
Korea (South)594 Posts
January 17 2017 22:23 GMT
#1497
Shout out to Plexa and v1 for correctly predicting the result/map score!
The faster caster. @RAPiDCasting
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
January 17 2017 22:23 GMT
#1498
On January 18 2017 03:30 Hildegard wrote:
One question about the health issues:

What would you think of alternative controls like foot pedals or voice commands (or even better options I'm not aware of)? If the current setup is hurting players should future RTS implement other controller options than mouse and keyboard?


There are no real alternatives. Controllers are far less flexible in terms of what they provide. For something like Fighting games they're good but RTS games need so many different hotkeys that basically only keyboard and mouse can provide.

Even if there was a good alternative they're already comfortable with their current setup so it would cost a fair bit to transition into a different control scheme.
DracoMortuiVolantus
Profile Joined October 2016
68 Posts
January 17 2017 22:50 GMT
#1499
This is madness, You can't win ZvT BoX unless T does series of openings to kill him,
it is so fucking unfair that if he don't cut edges or cut edges properly he will win it makes me mad.
gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
January 17 2017 22:55 GMT
#1500
On January 18 2017 07:23 neobowman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 03:30 Hildegard wrote:
One question about the health issues:

What would you think of alternative controls like foot pedals or voice commands (or even better options I'm not aware of)? If the current setup is hurting players should future RTS implement other controller options than mouse and keyboard?


There are no real alternatives. Controllers are far less flexible in terms of what they provide. For something like Fighting games they're good but RTS games need so many different hotkeys that basically only keyboard and mouse can provide.

Even if there was a good alternative they're already comfortable with their current setup so it would cost a fair bit to transition into a different control scheme.

I remember that when Mew2King started having problems in Smash, a few people with knowledge of the area (?) commented that there are physical therapists who specialize in helping guitarists, etc. to work on their ergonomics and muscle control and teaching exercises and stretches that can help avoid injury. But maybe these players have already had access to all that.
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