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ThreeActPlay
Profile Joined April 2011
United States249 Posts
January 17 2017 17:29 GMT
#1461
On January 18 2017 02:28 neobowman wrote:
Wow. What a match. Wish JD could've pulled that last game out though. Great watch either way.

Completely lived up to the hype, much more than Bisu/Sea and Jaedong/Storkuuuuuu
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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
January 17 2017 17:32 GMT
#1462
Seeing all the hate that's pouring out, would it be possible to get some sort of fan message from TL to Flash? I think it would be great if someone in Korea could organize something like this.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8713 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 17:40:27
January 17 2017 17:39 GMT
#1463
On January 18 2017 02:29 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:16 classicyellow83 wrote:
Since a lot of players reveal things about pro days on their stream a lot you get to hear how ridiculous some teams were. Some teams forced Zergs to play 60 games a day bc ZvZs are shorter. Larva said he played 60 games a day (by choice) few times and he said that you don't even have time to shit.

Playing that much is most likely counter productive anyway. You need your rest. The StarCraft community has this weird thing that more practise is always better but playing through the night or playing 60 games a day probably isn't better. Diminishing returns exist.


Yeah, it's probably like with studying for exams. Pulling an all-nighter once in a while might help but it isn't something that is productive in the long run.

On January 18 2017 02:32 neobowman wrote:
Seeing all the hate that's pouring out, would it be possible to get some sort of fan message from TL to Flash? I think it would be great if someone in Korea could organize something like this.


Not a Flash fan here but I would definitely sign after hearing about that "terran OP" shit.
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
January 17 2017 17:44 GMT
#1464
Well this is what Flash said about massing so many games every day.
"Everyone was obligated to play at least 10-12 hours a day. Those who were successful, played beyond those hours"
"I used to play 40 games a day. I couldn't play more than that because my games were late game oriented"
"There is no other way of getting better than playing a lot"
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16102 Posts
January 17 2017 17:45 GMT
#1465
On January 18 2017 02:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:07 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:57 opisska wrote:
If flash retires because people say mean things online, it will make me think less of him. Its irrational and childish. Weird to see someone so collected and precise ingame to be so weak irl. Hopefully its all just talk by him as well. I was never a big fan of Flash in sc2 because he was absurdly overrared, but his BW play is still impressive even for me with my limited knowledge of the game. Would be sad if he stopped competing.

However if there is general feeling that terran is op, afreeca should change the maps. Not reacting to percieved imbalance has proven quite detrimental in sc2. Worst case they can double back after a season.

It's not childish at all, if you work hard for something you want to be rewarded no matter what you do.
If the only reward is getting shitted on in the internet I can totally understand why he doesn't have the desire to compete anymore.
Flash is still human even if it's hard to believe

What do you mean with "the only reward is getting shit on" ? EVERYBODY "famous" has haters, that's nothing unique to flash. I have no idea in what proportion it applies to him specifically, but considering that he makes a lot of money on afreeca and has a lot of viewers regulalry i would assume that it's pretty minor in comparison
Ofc it's easy for us as random TL posters to say that he should just ignore it, but at the end of the day there are really worse positions than his (which doesn't mean that trolls/ hateful comments aren't a problem, but everybody has unique problems)

I think too that the percentage of haters is pretty small but the question is if flash realizes that.
Especially now that the players are forced to interact with their chat it can be rough dealing with haters.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3301 Posts
January 17 2017 17:58 GMT
#1466
On January 18 2017 02:29 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:16 classicyellow83 wrote:
Since a lot of players reveal things about pro days on their stream a lot you get to hear how ridiculous some teams were. Some teams forced Zergs to play 60 games a day bc ZvZs are shorter. Larva said he played 60 games a day (by choice) few times and he said that you don't even have time to shit.

Playing that much is most likely counter productive anyway. You need your rest. The StarCraft community has this weird thing that more practise is always better but playing through the night or playing 60 games a day probably isn't better. Diminishing returns exist.


Sorry but your views don't line up with reality. All of the most dominant players like Jaedong and Flash are infamous for practicing 14-16 hours a day, including vacations.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
January 17 2017 18:04 GMT
#1467
On January 18 2017 02:58 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:29 RvB wrote:
On January 18 2017 02:16 classicyellow83 wrote:
Since a lot of players reveal things about pro days on their stream a lot you get to hear how ridiculous some teams were. Some teams forced Zergs to play 60 games a day bc ZvZs are shorter. Larva said he played 60 games a day (by choice) few times and he said that you don't even have time to shit.

Playing that much is most likely counter productive anyway. You need your rest. The StarCraft community has this weird thing that more practise is always better but playing through the night or playing 60 games a day probably isn't better. Diminishing returns exist.


Sorry but your views don't line up with reality. All of the most dominant players like Jaedong and Flash are infamous for practicing 14-16 hours a day, including vacations.

Flash said he was the skinniest in 2010(his best year) due to not eating much bc of practice.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22658 Posts
January 17 2017 18:05 GMT
#1468
The brain suffers from such long hours and doesn't retain information as well but a lot of training is more like muscle memory and I don't know what the diminishing return on that is.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 17 2017 18:07 GMT
#1469
On January 18 2017 02:32 neobowman wrote:
Seeing all the hate that's pouring out, would it be possible to get some sort of fan message from TL to Flash? I think it would be great if someone in Korea could organize something like this.

we will do something, no worries. Just sit tight and be ready to deliver a heartfelt comment when we work out the logistics ^^
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Espers
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom606 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 18:11:13
January 17 2017 18:09 GMT
#1470
Pretty sure I've read Flash say he played less than other players too.
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
January 17 2017 18:10 GMT
#1471
On January 18 2017 03:09 Espers wrote:
Pretty sure I've read Flash say he played less than other players too.

Not in 2010. His best year.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5913 Posts
January 17 2017 18:28 GMT
#1472
Man, that was a sick Bo5, especially that ridiculous G4.

I just wish we had seen 4 base zerg. I dunno if the maps aren't suited for late game zerg play but they definitely aren't built to favor muta play anymore so it seems like zerg just can't go nuts like back in Swarm Season.
[゚n゚] SSSSssssssSSsss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Hildegard
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Germany348 Posts
January 17 2017 18:30 GMT
#1473
One question about the health issues:

What would you think of alternative controls like foot pedals or voice commands (or even better options I'm not aware of)? If the current setup is hurting players should future RTS implement other controller options than mouse and keyboard?
tl.net humour: https://www.kurtvonmeier.com/blog-1/2018/1/14/on-audio-alan-watts-and-g-spencer-brown-discuss-laws-of-form
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
January 17 2017 18:54 GMT
#1474
On January 18 2017 01:33 RKC wrote:
Today's game was simply breathtaking and beautiful. It may not be the highest level of Starcraft of all time, but it surely exploded as a brilliant nova in the dying light of Starcraft. With games like this, Brood War will keep on burning a little longer. Long Live BW!

Probably more than just a little longer.


User was warned for being hilarious
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
January 17 2017 18:55 GMT
#1475
T_T Jaedong fan boi for life...
Congrats to Flash, great games by both players!
~ T-ARA ~ DREAMCATCHER ~ EVERGLOW ~ OH MY GIRL ~ DIA ~ BOL4 ~ CHUNGHA ~
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
January 17 2017 19:01 GMT
#1476
On January 18 2017 03:54 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:33 RKC wrote:
Today's game was simply breathtaking and beautiful. It may not be the highest level of Starcraft of all time, but it surely exploded as a brilliant nova in the dying light of Starcraft. With games like this, Brood War will keep on burning a little longer. Long Live BW!

Probably more than just a little longer.

if we get some new players to be atleast competitive sure
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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5913 Posts
January 17 2017 19:06 GMT
#1477
On January 18 2017 01:37 esdf wrote:
https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=vC-pPMOrsKw vods

but they're horrible, skipping nonstop.. anyone got some non chopped up vods?


Can someone edit the Afreeca Tastosis VOD into the OP?

Youtube vod is screwy but http://afreeca.tv/36855042/v/57798 is fine.
[゚n゚] SSSSssssssSSsss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Marine/Raven Guide:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163605
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
January 17 2017 19:09 GMT
#1478
On January 18 2017 03:07 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:32 neobowman wrote:
Seeing all the hate that's pouring out, would it be possible to get some sort of fan message from TL to Flash? I think it would be great if someone in Korea could organize something like this.

we will do something, no worries. Just sit tight and be ready to deliver a heartfelt comment when we work out the logistics ^^

Yay! :D
kiss kiss fall in love
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5963 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 19:17:53
January 17 2017 19:14 GMT
#1479
On January 18 2017 04:06 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:37 esdf wrote:
https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=vC-pPMOrsKw vods

but they're horrible, skipping nonstop.. anyone got some non chopped up vods?


Can someone edit the Afreeca Tastosis VOD into the OP?

Youtube vod is screwy but http://afreeca.tv/36855042/v/57798 is fine.

OP doesn't have VODs and that's what the Small VOD Thread 2.0 is for. You have been a member since 2010, and possibly a lurker before that; come on, man. (Plus anyone who missed the livestream and is looking for VODs should, in his right mind, avoid the LR at all cost.)
FBH #1!
Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
January 17 2017 19:31 GMT
#1480
Does twitch have any vods of this? It's weird I didn't see any recorded in the twitch channel
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