• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:48
CET 02:48
KST 10:48
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
2026 KongFu Cup Announcement3BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled11Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains15Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block4GSL CK - New online series18
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Terran AddOns placement
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 KongFu Cup Announcement [GSL CK] Team Maru vs. Team herO StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 516 Specter of Death Mutation # 515 Together Forever Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BSL 22 Map Contest — Submissions OPEN to March 10 ASL21 General Discussion Are you ready for ASL 21? Hype VIDEO Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] Open Qualifiers & Ladder Tours IPSL Spring 2026 is here! ASL Season 21 Qualifiers March 7-8
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread No Man's Sky (PS4 and PC)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Mexico's Drug War Russo-Ukrainian War Thread NASA and the Private Sector
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion General nutrition recommendations Cricket [SPORT] TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2060 users

[ASL2] Semifinals: Flash vs Jaedong - Page 73

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 71 72 73 74 75 84 Next
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16057 Posts
January 17 2017 17:04 GMT
#1441
On January 18 2017 01:54 ThreeActPlay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:54 Bakuryu wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:41 classicyellow83 wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:36 Piratezerg wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:28 classicyellow83 wrote:
Mad props to Jaedong. Jaedong got shots on his fingers so that he can practice like he did in pro days.


Jeez seriously?? And he only intentionally played for one short game, the hydra bust. Hope he is well.

Yeah. He posted it on his Afreeca page. He also said "I gave all I had. I'm just not on the same level as Flash yet. I'm going to rejuvenate and get myself reday for next ASL. I learned a lot today. I promise you I will be stronger next season"
He also said that he barely slept to practice.


what do you mean with "Jaedong got shots on his fingers"?


Sounds like he got pain-killing injections into his fingers to deal with the pain

That doesn't sound healthy at all I'm worried for him.

Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
January 17 2017 17:05 GMT
#1442
Yeah what the fuck JD.

He really needs to do military service for a bit, and hopefully he'll recover a bit because of it.
kiss kiss fall in love
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
January 17 2017 17:06 GMT
#1443
On January 18 2017 02:04 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:54 ThreeActPlay wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:54 Bakuryu wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:41 classicyellow83 wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:36 Piratezerg wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:28 classicyellow83 wrote:
Mad props to Jaedong. Jaedong got shots on his fingers so that he can practice like he did in pro days.


Jeez seriously?? And he only intentionally played for one short game, the hydra bust. Hope he is well.

Yeah. He posted it on his Afreeca page. He also said "I gave all I had. I'm just not on the same level as Flash yet. I'm going to rejuvenate and get myself reday for next ASL. I learned a lot today. I promise you I will be stronger next season"
He also said that he barely slept to practice.


what do you mean with "Jaedong got shots on his fingers"?


Sounds like he got pain-killing injections into his fingers to deal with the pain

That doesn't sound healthy at all I'm worried for him.


Flash did the same thing during KT days b4 he got surgery.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16057 Posts
January 17 2017 17:07 GMT
#1444
On January 18 2017 01:57 opisska wrote:
If flash retires because people say mean things online, it will make me think less of him. Its irrational and childish. Weird to see someone so collected and precise ingame to be so weak irl. Hopefully its all just talk by him as well. I was never a big fan of Flash in sc2 because he was absurdly overrared, but his BW play is still impressive even for me with my limited knowledge of the game. Would be sad if he stopped competing.

However if there is general feeling that terran is op, afreeca should change the maps. Not reacting to percieved imbalance has proven quite detrimental in sc2. Worst case they can double back after a season.

It's not childish at all, if you work hard for something you want to be rewarded no matter what you do.
If the only reward is getting shitted on in the internet I can totally understand why he doesn't have the desire to compete anymore.
Flash is still human even if it's hard to believe
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
January 17 2017 17:09 GMT
#1445
just checked some pages back, flash wins tight series and gets spammed with terran op? like wtf, are those guys brain dead?
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50641 Posts
January 17 2017 17:09 GMT
#1446
On January 18 2017 02:06 classicyellow83 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:04 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:54 ThreeActPlay wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:54 Bakuryu wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:41 classicyellow83 wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:36 Piratezerg wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:28 classicyellow83 wrote:
Mad props to Jaedong. Jaedong got shots on his fingers so that he can practice like he did in pro days.


Jeez seriously?? And he only intentionally played for one short game, the hydra bust. Hope he is well.

Yeah. He posted it on his Afreeca page. He also said "I gave all I had. I'm just not on the same level as Flash yet. I'm going to rejuvenate and get myself reday for next ASL. I learned a lot today. I promise you I will be stronger next season"
He also said that he barely slept to practice.


what do you mean with "Jaedong got shots on his fingers"?


Sounds like he got pain-killing injections into his fingers to deal with the pain

That doesn't sound healthy at all I'm worried for him.


Flash did the same thing during KT days b4 he got surgery.


it annoying me to no end, that these guys do so fucking much and get trolled constantly.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
ThreeActPlay
Profile Joined April 2011
United States249 Posts
January 17 2017 17:10 GMT
#1447
They really need better ergonomic setups when they play, but in both of their cases it's probably way too late for that. The surgeries for carpal tunnel don't actually solve any problems, especially if they don't correct the behavior or posture that is causing the nerve to get inflamed.
twitter.com/haethos
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
January 17 2017 17:12 GMT
#1448
Is carpal tunnel surgery a "for now until it gets worse again" sort of thing?
kiss kiss fall in love
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
January 17 2017 17:14 GMT
#1449
the series was so awesome and reading the fucking terran op thingy completely killed my mood and wants me to fly to korea, bitch slap all those idiots and then explain them how this game works, jesus im so pissed now.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
January 17 2017 17:15 GMT
#1450
On January 18 2017 02:07 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:57 opisska wrote:
If flash retires because people say mean things online, it will make me think less of him. Its irrational and childish. Weird to see someone so collected and precise ingame to be so weak irl. Hopefully its all just talk by him as well. I was never a big fan of Flash in sc2 because he was absurdly overrared, but his BW play is still impressive even for me with my limited knowledge of the game. Would be sad if he stopped competing.

However if there is general feeling that terran is op, afreeca should change the maps. Not reacting to percieved imbalance has proven quite detrimental in sc2. Worst case they can double back after a season.

It's not childish at all, if you work hard for something you want to be rewarded no matter what you do.
If the only reward is getting shitted on in the internet I can totally understand why he doesn't have the desire to compete anymore.
Flash is still human even if it's hard to believe

What do you mean with "the only reward is getting shit on" ? EVERYBODY "famous" has haters, that's nothing unique to flash. I have no idea in what proportion it applies to him specifically, but considering that he makes a lot of money on afreeca and has a lot of viewers regulalry i would assume that it's pretty minor in comparison
Ofc it's easy for us as random TL posters to say that he should just ignore it, but at the end of the day there are really worse positions than his (which doesn't mean that trolls/ hateful comments aren't a problem, but everybody has unique problems)
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
January 17 2017 17:16 GMT
#1451
Since a lot of players reveal things about pro days on their stream a lot you get to hear how ridiculous some teams were. Some teams forced Zergs to play 60 games a day bc ZvZs are shorter. Larva said he played 60 games a day (by choice) few times and he said that you don't even have time to shit.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22131 Posts
January 17 2017 17:17 GMT
#1452
On January 18 2017 02:10 ThreeActPlay wrote:
They really need better ergonomic setups when they play, but in both of their cases it's probably way too late for that. The surgeries for carpal tunnel don't actually solve any problems, especially if they don't correct the behavior or posture that is causing the nerve to get inflamed.

Pretty sure no amount of posture or ergonomics is going to fix 300+ apm for 20 minutes.
BW pro's are having carpal tunnel issues because they are performing beyond what the human body is designed to do.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
ThreeActPlay
Profile Joined April 2011
United States249 Posts
January 17 2017 17:18 GMT
#1453
On January 18 2017 02:12 IntoTheheart wrote:
Is carpal tunnel surgery a "for now until it gets worse again" sort of thing?


It's pretty much the only option you have if the pain/numbness becomes unmanageable. The surgery will reduce the pain, but if you don't correct the cause, it's just a small respite before the next time.
twitter.com/haethos
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
January 17 2017 17:18 GMT
#1454
On January 18 2017 02:14 Bakuryu wrote:
the series was so awesome and reading the fucking terran op thingy completely killed my mood and wants me to fly to korea, bitch slap all those idiots and then explain them how this game works, jesus im so pissed now.

Ah Bakuryu <3
Also, game 4 reminded me of a forign league game, maybe by a LRM) player, who went for 2 or 3 hatch hydra bust vs terran on Tau Cross. Long time ago, but maybe you remember ?
Great serie imo. I'm a Flash fan, so I won't insist on his wins, but even as a zerg player, I had something to admire in game 1, a clear case of smart counterstrat very well executed. Lee Young Ho fell right into it.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
January 17 2017 17:18 GMT
#1455
I 'm really curious and wonder if playing on mechanical keyboard is less tiring than on membrane? AFAIK they still stick with Qsenn DT-35 because it's what they used back in progaming days and it's ideal for BW. In other hand both Flash and JD used mechanical (pretty sure both used Razer Blackwidow but Flash preferred blue and JD red switches) in their SC2 progaming time, maybe just because they were sponsored by Razer? Why they switched back to membrane?
sunbeams are never made like me...
ThreeActPlay
Profile Joined April 2011
United States249 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 17:26:14
January 17 2017 17:20 GMT
#1456
On January 18 2017 02:17 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:10 ThreeActPlay wrote:
They really need better ergonomic setups when they play, but in both of their cases it's probably way too late for that. The surgeries for carpal tunnel don't actually solve any problems, especially if they don't correct the behavior or posture that is causing the nerve to get inflamed.

Pretty sure no amount of posture or ergonomics is going to fix 300+ apm for 20 minutes.
BW pro's are having carpal tunnel issues because they are performing beyond what the human body is designed to do.


You're completely right, the human body is not really meant to do what these guys do, but if they had more ergonomic setups, it might have reduced the amount of damage they did to themselves.

Edit: As an example, a lot of CTS (in the workplace at least) is because people rest their wrists on the desk while they work, and the range of motion is all using their wrist -- the arms don't really move that much, and when they do it's still resting so it's putting pressure on the nerve, and will eventually cause inflammation that leads to CTS. If they could use a setup where the keyboard/mouse is lower so that they are not resting on the wrists and are "hovering" over them instead, it will not cause the nerve to inflame nearly as much.
twitter.com/haethos
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
January 17 2017 17:22 GMT
#1457
well atleast we got to 73 pages, go us!!!
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
January 17 2017 17:27 GMT
#1458
A lot of gamers got surgeries post kespa.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
January 17 2017 17:28 GMT
#1459
Wow. What a match. Wish JD could've pulled that last game out though. Great watch either way.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6269 Posts
January 17 2017 17:29 GMT
#1460
On January 18 2017 02:16 classicyellow83 wrote:
Since a lot of players reveal things about pro days on their stream a lot you get to hear how ridiculous some teams were. Some teams forced Zergs to play 60 games a day bc ZvZs are shorter. Larva said he played 60 games a day (by choice) few times and he said that you don't even have time to shit.

Playing that much is most likely counter productive anyway. You need your rest. The StarCraft community has this weird thing that more practise is always better but playing through the night or playing 60 games a day probably isn't better. Diminishing returns exist.
Prev 1 71 72 73 74 75 84 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 12m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft496
Nina 111
SpeCial 85
Ketroc 60
NeuroSwarm 17
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 10215
Dota 2
canceldota42
League of Legends
JimRising 510
Counter-Strike
taco 669
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox719
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor191
Other Games
summit1g12269
ViBE130
PiLiPiLi3
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2455
ComeBackTV 152
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 42
• davetesta15
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 19
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift5817
• Scarra1247
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
8h 12m
RSL Revival
8h 12m
ByuN vs SHIN
Maru vs Krystianer
WardiTV Team League
10h 12m
Patches Events
15h 12m
BSL
18h 12m
GSL
1d 6h
Wardi Open
1d 10h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 15h
OSC
1d 22h
WardiTV Team League
2 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
WardiTV Team League
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-13
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
BSL Season 22
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Elite League 2026
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
NationLESS Cup
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.