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On January 17 2017 23:44 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 23:43 eviltomahawk wrote:
I do remember maybe Jinro causing a controversy when he complained about crowd sounds leaking into his booth. I also remember at least one version of the GOMtv booths also playing background noise or music in addition to soundproof headphones to further mask the crowd sounds.
But if the new booths work fine then that's alright. It's just a bit jarring to see open booths in GSL and ASL after years of seeing closed booths in OSL, MSL, GSL, and SSL. Noise cancelling headsets (like the stuff construction workers wear) might have gotten good enough to not need them now.
They are noise cancelling headsets and Flash said that it make really loud noise so you can't hear anything. He said that the sound is like tv static.
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On January 17 2017 23:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 23:36 classicyellow83 wrote:
Shine says Flash killed the hydras a sec b4 the upgrade was finished. That is sad to hear  That could have been a game without that mistake, maybe? :/ Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 23:37 eviltomahawk wrote:On January 17 2017 23:35 classicyellow83 wrote:
Everyone who participated in ASL confirmed that you can't hear the crowd. That's interesting to hear. It looked like the ASL booths weren't sealed like the old GOMtv and OGN booths. As far as i know booths don't really do much anyway (at least not unless you get really expensive ones?!) I think someone relevant in the scene said that a while ago, maybe TB?
no really,i dont think jaedong had 11 mutas full health and enough lings,so yeah imagine jaedong morph 2 eggs,there is not highground advantage to miss shots,this mean marines will do full damage,he will kill 1 for sure,and the second lurker will be killed without even shot.i think this map is just very hard to play mutas,so much open ground,so few places to get good shots on the rine ball.and man the 5 barracks +1 is just brutal,1 focus fire kill muta afetr muta is crazy...there is a game from wcg 2010 that was pretty much the exact situation.
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On January 17 2017 23:46 classicyellow83 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 23:44 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 17 2017 23:43 eviltomahawk wrote:
I do remember maybe Jinro causing a controversy when he complained about crowd sounds leaking into his booth. I also remember at least one version of the GOMtv booths also playing background noise or music in addition to soundproof headphones to further mask the crowd sounds.
But if the new booths work fine then that's alright. It's just a bit jarring to see open booths in GSL and ASL after years of seeing closed booths in OSL, MSL, GSL, and SSL. Noise cancelling headsets (like the stuff construction workers wear) might have gotten good enough to not need them now. They are noise cancelling headsets and Flash said that it make really loud noise so you can't hear anything. He said that the sound is like tv static.
I remember in... BW/SC2(?) that they also blasted white noise to balance out everything else, yeah. Sounds pretty smart.
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On January 17 2017 23:50 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 23:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 17 2017 23:36 classicyellow83 wrote:
Shine says Flash killed the hydras a sec b4 the upgrade was finished. That is sad to hear That could have been a game without that mistake, maybe? :/ On January 17 2017 23:37 eviltomahawk wrote:On January 17 2017 23:35 classicyellow83 wrote:
Everyone who participated in ASL confirmed that you can't hear the crowd. That's interesting to hear. It looked like the ASL booths weren't sealed like the old GOMtv and OGN booths. As far as i know booths don't really do much anyway (at least not unless you get really expensive ones?!) I think someone relevant in the scene said that a while ago, maybe TB? no really,i dont think jaedong had 11 mutas full health and enough lings,so yeah imagine jaedong morph 2 eggs,there is not highground advantage to miss shots,this mean marines will do full damage,he will kill 1 for sure,and the second lurker will be killed without even shot.i think this map is just very hard to play mutas,so much open ground,so few places to get good shots on the rine ball.and man the 5 barracks +1 is just brutal,1 focus fire kill muta afetr muta is crazy...there is a game from wcg 2010 that was pretty much the exact situation.
Well it was said that JD forgot his upgrade for a while, maybe the lurkers would already be burrowed?
Thanks for your explanation though, makes sense that without high groud it seems to be quite hard :/
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Sad to see Jaedong lose. I was hoping for a non-TvT finals. Man Jaedong was looking really good but terran is too strong  Flash's timings and armies looked so deadly when they'd walk into the map
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On January 17 2017 23:53 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 23:50 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On January 17 2017 23:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 17 2017 23:36 classicyellow83 wrote:
Shine says Flash killed the hydras a sec b4 the upgrade was finished. That is sad to hear That could have been a game without that mistake, maybe? :/ On January 17 2017 23:37 eviltomahawk wrote:On January 17 2017 23:35 classicyellow83 wrote:
Everyone who participated in ASL confirmed that you can't hear the crowd. That's interesting to hear. It looked like the ASL booths weren't sealed like the old GOMtv and OGN booths. As far as i know booths don't really do much anyway (at least not unless you get really expensive ones?!) I think someone relevant in the scene said that a while ago, maybe TB? no really,i dont think jaedong had 11 mutas full health and enough lings,so yeah imagine jaedong morph 2 eggs,there is not highground advantage to miss shots,this mean marines will do full damage,he will kill 1 for sure,and the second lurker will be killed without even shot.i think this map is just very hard to play mutas,so much open ground,so few places to get good shots on the rine ball.and man the 5 barracks +1 is just brutal,1 focus fire kill muta afetr muta is crazy...there is a game from wcg 2010 that was pretty much the exact situation. Well it was said that JD forgot his upgrade for a while, maybe the lurkers would already be burrowed? Thanks for your explanation though, makes sense that without high groud it seems to be quite hard :/
The lurkers won't be done in time if they can just walk over the map.
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On January 18 2017 00:21 sabas123 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 23:53 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 17 2017 23:50 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On January 17 2017 23:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 17 2017 23:36 classicyellow83 wrote:
Shine says Flash killed the hydras a sec b4 the upgrade was finished. That is sad to hear That could have been a game without that mistake, maybe? :/ On January 17 2017 23:37 eviltomahawk wrote:On January 17 2017 23:35 classicyellow83 wrote:
Everyone who participated in ASL confirmed that you can't hear the crowd. That's interesting to hear. It looked like the ASL booths weren't sealed like the old GOMtv and OGN booths. As far as i know booths don't really do much anyway (at least not unless you get really expensive ones?!) I think someone relevant in the scene said that a while ago, maybe TB? no really,i dont think jaedong had 11 mutas full health and enough lings,so yeah imagine jaedong morph 2 eggs,there is not highground advantage to miss shots,this mean marines will do full damage,he will kill 1 for sure,and the second lurker will be killed without even shot.i think this map is just very hard to play mutas,so much open ground,so few places to get good shots on the rine ball.and man the 5 barracks +1 is just brutal,1 focus fire kill muta afetr muta is crazy...there is a game from wcg 2010 that was pretty much the exact situation. Well it was said that JD forgot his upgrade for a while, maybe the lurkers would already be burrowed? Thanks for your explanation though, makes sense that without high groud it seems to be quite hard :/ The lurkers won't be done in time if they can just walk over the map.
Well it was close even though JD apparently forgot the upgrade for a while, not sure for how long though but if it was a decent amount of time (like 20-30 seconds) that could make the difference.
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Man, back from work, only to see Jaedong lost, barely. Sad. At least the games Jaedong won were apparently pretty good.
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On January 18 2017 00:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 00:21 sabas123 wrote:On January 17 2017 23:53 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 17 2017 23:50 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On January 17 2017 23:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 17 2017 23:36 classicyellow83 wrote:
Shine says Flash killed the hydras a sec b4 the upgrade was finished. That is sad to hear That could have been a game without that mistake, maybe? :/ On January 17 2017 23:37 eviltomahawk wrote:On January 17 2017 23:35 classicyellow83 wrote:
Everyone who participated in ASL confirmed that you can't hear the crowd. That's interesting to hear. It looked like the ASL booths weren't sealed like the old GOMtv and OGN booths. As far as i know booths don't really do much anyway (at least not unless you get really expensive ones?!) I think someone relevant in the scene said that a while ago, maybe TB? no really,i dont think jaedong had 11 mutas full health and enough lings,so yeah imagine jaedong morph 2 eggs,there is not highground advantage to miss shots,this mean marines will do full damage,he will kill 1 for sure,and the second lurker will be killed without even shot.i think this map is just very hard to play mutas,so much open ground,so few places to get good shots on the rine ball.and man the 5 barracks +1 is just brutal,1 focus fire kill muta afetr muta is crazy...there is a game from wcg 2010 that was pretty much the exact situation. Well it was said that JD forgot his upgrade for a while, maybe the lurkers would already be burrowed? Thanks for your explanation though, makes sense that without high groud it seems to be quite hard :/ The lurkers won't be done in time if they can just walk over the map. Well it was close even though JD apparently forgot the upgrade for a while, not sure for how long though but if it was a decent amount of time (like 20-30 seconds) that could make the difference.
Jaedong cancelled his hydralisk den.
Watch the VOD around the time when Jaedong's mutalisks pop. Flash scanned the location of Jaedongs ramp. Jaedong for some reason cancelled his hydralisk den.
I thought he made a snap call to go for guardians right there.
But then after building queen's nest I think he changed his mind again and went back to lurkers again. I don't think he forgot lurker upgrade... I think his plan was to change strategy to guardians, but then he changed his mind and abandoned that plan.
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Shine was practicing observing games all week. I think it paid off. He did a good job today.!
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On January 18 2017 00:40 LaLuSh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 00:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 18 2017 00:21 sabas123 wrote:On January 17 2017 23:53 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 17 2017 23:50 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On January 17 2017 23:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 17 2017 23:36 classicyellow83 wrote:
Shine says Flash killed the hydras a sec b4 the upgrade was finished. That is sad to hear That could have been a game without that mistake, maybe? :/ On January 17 2017 23:37 eviltomahawk wrote:On January 17 2017 23:35 classicyellow83 wrote:
Everyone who participated in ASL confirmed that you can't hear the crowd. That's interesting to hear. It looked like the ASL booths weren't sealed like the old GOMtv and OGN booths. As far as i know booths don't really do much anyway (at least not unless you get really expensive ones?!) I think someone relevant in the scene said that a while ago, maybe TB? no really,i dont think jaedong had 11 mutas full health and enough lings,so yeah imagine jaedong morph 2 eggs,there is not highground advantage to miss shots,this mean marines will do full damage,he will kill 1 for sure,and the second lurker will be killed without even shot.i think this map is just very hard to play mutas,so much open ground,so few places to get good shots on the rine ball.and man the 5 barracks +1 is just brutal,1 focus fire kill muta afetr muta is crazy...there is a game from wcg 2010 that was pretty much the exact situation. Well it was said that JD forgot his upgrade for a while, maybe the lurkers would already be burrowed? Thanks for your explanation though, makes sense that without high groud it seems to be quite hard :/ The lurkers won't be done in time if they can just walk over the map. Well it was close even though JD apparently forgot the upgrade for a while, not sure for how long though but if it was a decent amount of time (like 20-30 seconds) that could make the difference. Jaedong cancelled his hydralisk den. Watch the VOD around the time when Jaedong's mutalisks pop. Flash scanned the location of Jaedongs ramp. Jaedong for some reason cancelled his hydralisk den.
the way he cancelled it right after the scan landed - surely it was just another mind game? At least I thought so when it happened live.
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On January 18 2017 00:47 juvenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 00:40 LaLuSh wrote:On January 18 2017 00:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 18 2017 00:21 sabas123 wrote:On January 17 2017 23:53 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 17 2017 23:50 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On January 17 2017 23:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 17 2017 23:36 classicyellow83 wrote:
Shine says Flash killed the hydras a sec b4 the upgrade was finished. That is sad to hear That could have been a game without that mistake, maybe? :/ On January 17 2017 23:37 eviltomahawk wrote:On January 17 2017 23:35 classicyellow83 wrote:
Everyone who participated in ASL confirmed that you can't hear the crowd. That's interesting to hear. It looked like the ASL booths weren't sealed like the old GOMtv and OGN booths. As far as i know booths don't really do much anyway (at least not unless you get really expensive ones?!) I think someone relevant in the scene said that a while ago, maybe TB? no really,i dont think jaedong had 11 mutas full health and enough lings,so yeah imagine jaedong morph 2 eggs,there is not highground advantage to miss shots,this mean marines will do full damage,he will kill 1 for sure,and the second lurker will be killed without even shot.i think this map is just very hard to play mutas,so much open ground,so few places to get good shots on the rine ball.and man the 5 barracks +1 is just brutal,1 focus fire kill muta afetr muta is crazy...there is a game from wcg 2010 that was pretty much the exact situation. Well it was said that JD forgot his upgrade for a while, maybe the lurkers would already be burrowed? Thanks for your explanation though, makes sense that without high groud it seems to be quite hard :/ The lurkers won't be done in time if they can just walk over the map. Well it was close even though JD apparently forgot the upgrade for a while, not sure for how long though but if it was a decent amount of time (like 20-30 seconds) that could make the difference. Jaedong cancelled his hydralisk den. Watch the VOD around the time when Jaedong's mutalisks pop. Flash scanned the location of Jaedongs ramp. Jaedong for some reason cancelled his hydralisk den. the way he cancelled it right after the scan landed - surely it was just another mind game? At least I thought so when it happened live.
It was definitely mind game.
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On January 17 2017 22:05 classicyellow83 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 17 2017 21:54 duke91 wrote:
I am not sad because JD lost. Against all expectations, he got to game 5. This game 1 was probably the best display of Jaedong's skill and the helplessness a normal player feels against him (even Flash) that makes me hopeful that JD will eventually trump Flash with just a little more practice.
Imagine JD's genius with enough practice to get to Effort's level.
I think ASL3 will actually even out the gap between JD and Flash where you cannot tell the clear favorite. assuming ASL3 starts in march or something, from the buzz inside the community it seems more like mid feb with qualifiers on the 29th of this month. Flash said he might not participate in any more leagues after this. The reason is because every time he wins, his afreeca site and his PM box and his stream chat gets flooded is with "Terran OP""Terran IMBA". This really hurts him bc they are not recognizing how hard he worked to get to where he is. Even some of the fans don't want him participate in any more leagues because flash is going through hard time because of this. If he loses, they shit on him. If he wins, people spam "Terran OP" and "Terran IMBA" He said he's going to talk to Afreeca about it.
It is a shame, but I will completely support his decision.
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To those not wanting TvT finals you should blame Best instead for not scouting in game 5
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I am watching Flash's stream right now.
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Ok I rewatched the VOD. The cancelled hydra den was definitely a mind game by Jaedong.
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On January 18 2017 00:47 juvenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 00:40 LaLuSh wrote:On January 18 2017 00:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 18 2017 00:21 sabas123 wrote:On January 17 2017 23:53 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 17 2017 23:50 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On January 17 2017 23:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 17 2017 23:36 classicyellow83 wrote:
Shine says Flash killed the hydras a sec b4 the upgrade was finished. That is sad to hear That could have been a game without that mistake, maybe? :/ On January 17 2017 23:37 eviltomahawk wrote:On January 17 2017 23:35 classicyellow83 wrote:
Everyone who participated in ASL confirmed that you can't hear the crowd. That's interesting to hear. It looked like the ASL booths weren't sealed like the old GOMtv and OGN booths. As far as i know booths don't really do much anyway (at least not unless you get really expensive ones?!) I think someone relevant in the scene said that a while ago, maybe TB? no really,i dont think jaedong had 11 mutas full health and enough lings,so yeah imagine jaedong morph 2 eggs,there is not highground advantage to miss shots,this mean marines will do full damage,he will kill 1 for sure,and the second lurker will be killed without even shot.i think this map is just very hard to play mutas,so much open ground,so few places to get good shots on the rine ball.and man the 5 barracks +1 is just brutal,1 focus fire kill muta afetr muta is crazy...there is a game from wcg 2010 that was pretty much the exact situation. Well it was said that JD forgot his upgrade for a while, maybe the lurkers would already be burrowed? Thanks for your explanation though, makes sense that without high groud it seems to be quite hard :/ The lurkers won't be done in time if they can just walk over the map. Well it was close even though JD apparently forgot the upgrade for a while, not sure for how long though but if it was a decent amount of time (like 20-30 seconds) that could make the difference. Jaedong cancelled his hydralisk den. Watch the VOD around the time when Jaedong's mutalisks pop. Flash scanned the location of Jaedongs ramp. Jaedong for some reason cancelled his hydralisk den. the way he cancelled it right after the scan landed - surely it was just another mind game? At least I thought so when it happened live.
If that was the case he would have rebuilt the den immediately. Instead he rebuilt it much later. In fact he did, when he entered flash's base with his mutas. Hydra Den and then Queen's Nest, according to the minimap.
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So, maybe Jaedong's plan was to do a hive rush without lurkers, the fake den intended to get Flash to play a more standard defensive TvZ style, waiting in his base until tanks were out. Then JD saw the 5 rax and knew that Flash was going to move out on the map anyways, then switched back to lurkers.
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On January 18 2017 01:14 iamho wrote:
So, maybe Jaedong's plan was to do a hive rush without lurkers, the fake den intended to get Flash to play a more standard defensive TvZ style, waiting in his base until tanks were out. Then JD saw the 5 rax and knew that Flash was going to move out on the map anyways, then switched back to lurkers.
This seems lile the most reasonable explanation. Jaedong probably wanted to cut some corners, but was too greedy and died
Either way goos to know he lost because of a misplay and not a misclick
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the Tastosis VOD on youtube is fucking skipping around every few seconds
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