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coolprogrammingstuff
Profile Joined December 2015
906 Posts
January 17 2017 11:46 GMT
#961
On January 17 2017 20:43 darktreb wrote:
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On January 17 2017 20:42 coolprogrammingstuff wrote:
On January 17 2017 20:40 Sunyveil wrote:
I'm 90% sure Jaedong only attempts that build in those spawn positions, which makes me wonder what else he had planned for the map


that was benzene


Direction matters though. If spawns were flipped, Flash's units spawn inside the wall for his first Barracks. That's why JD could kill an early Medic.


oh, i forgot! good point.
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1420 Posts
January 17 2017 11:46 GMT
#962
On January 17 2017 20:39 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
omfg xD

I figured Flash would 3-0, crazy they're still so close in head to head.

GOGO JD!

it'S not that crazy.

look at grubby, he plays wc3 only on weekends and still is in the top 20-30 of w3arena regularly.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
January 17 2017 11:46 GMT
#963
Now all I want for last game to be 5 Rax into Mech late game, where JD switches as well into mass Queens later.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
January 17 2017 11:46 GMT
#964
One game to Rule them all.
User was warned for being hilarious
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
January 17 2017 11:46 GMT
#965
Ofc the hype and everything depends largely on it being Jaedong vs Flash, but that is ok.

LETS GO JD!!!!!!!
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
January 17 2017 11:46 GMT
#966
Cheese? What map? Whats the map stat for this map?
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bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
January 17 2017 11:46 GMT
#967
On January 17 2017 20:41 Twinkle Toes wrote:
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On January 17 2017 20:39 bovienchien wrote:
I wonder who created the stupid Benzen map for StarCraft BW?!

Explain please, what is wrong with this map?

Shortly, Did you see this game, Terran lost as same a lot of games TvsZ
https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
January 17 2017 11:46 GMT
#968
On January 17 2017 20:45 Sunyveil wrote:
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On January 17 2017 20:42 Miragee wrote:
On January 17 2017 20:41 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
I think Flash elegantly threw this one. There's no way on earth you go 3 barracks academy before ebay and lose vs hydra bust. His first decision to fight Jaedong's hydras at the natural by lifting the barracks was detrimental, he just should have stayed in and built 1 bunker more.


Thinking about this, it really was weird to lift the baracks. Especially if Flash expected Lurkers. Maybe he wanted to find the lurker eggs?


This is the explanation. Also, against a lurker push you want to start as far away from your nat CC as possible, that way the lurkers have to burrow/unburrow more times and you can get free hits on them.


No, Flash scanned hydras with movement I think
Enjoy the game
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1866 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 11:47:21
January 17 2017 11:46 GMT
#969
Yo that was one of the most insane games I've ever seen.

Jaedong winning that game was like sheer force of will. Hydra/ling vs. 3 barracks academy before engineering bay (with 14cc)? I literally think I've NEVER seen that work out of hundreds and hundreds of ZvTs.
Writerman what
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
January 17 2017 11:47 GMT
#970
On January 17 2017 20:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
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On January 17 2017 20:43 hitthat wrote:
On January 17 2017 20:41 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
well this is the best BW I've watched in my short experience :D


Than you see nothing yet ^^


say waht you will with all the hype, but these games haven't given me "those" chills.

Jangbi osl was the last series to give me those chills
YellOw, Reach, & Nal_Ra Hwaiting!!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 17 2017 11:47 GMT
#971
On January 17 2017 20:44 Wintex wrote:
Poll: Game 5

i want a macro game (40)
 
61%

i want a 2 rax (4)
 
6%

i want a 4 pool (12)
 
18%

good game (10)
 
15%

66 total votes

Your vote: Game 5

(Vote): i want a macro game
(Vote): i want a 2 rax
(Vote): i want a 4 pool
(Vote): good game



for Jaedong to win!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28535 Posts
January 17 2017 11:47 GMT
#972
c'mon Dong
I Protoss winner, could it be?
MperorM1
Profile Joined September 2015
90 Posts
January 17 2017 11:47 GMT
#973
sc2 viewing experience absolutely pales in comparison to broodwar. Even as someone who plays high level sc2 every day, I find broodwar much more enjoyable to watch. Playing it is also a lot of fun imo, sadly it's just hard to get good games as a casual player.
Incanus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada695 Posts
January 17 2017 11:47 GMT
#974
Soo when did TeamLiquid become TeamJaedong?

Flash fighting!
Flash: "Why am I so good?" *sob sob*
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
January 17 2017 11:47 GMT
#975
Makes absolutely no sense why Flash doesn't have 2 bunkers after scanning and SEEING hydras...
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10528 Posts
January 17 2017 11:47 GMT
#976
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gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
January 17 2017 11:47 GMT
#977
On January 17 2017 20:46 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 20:45 Sunyveil wrote:
On January 17 2017 20:42 Miragee wrote:
On January 17 2017 20:41 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
I think Flash elegantly threw this one. There's no way on earth you go 3 barracks academy before ebay and lose vs hydra bust. His first decision to fight Jaedong's hydras at the natural by lifting the barracks was detrimental, he just should have stayed in and built 1 bunker more.


Thinking about this, it really was weird to lift the baracks. Especially if Flash expected Lurkers. Maybe he wanted to find the lurker eggs?


This is the explanation. Also, against a lurker push you want to start as far away from your nat CC as possible, that way the lurkers have to burrow/unburrow more times and you can get free hits on them.


No, Flash scanned hydras with movement I think

He clearly didn't notice though. I mean, he made firebats, which are utterly worthless against hydras.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
January 17 2017 11:47 GMT
#978
On January 17 2017 20:44 chrisolo wrote:
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On January 17 2017 20:42 b0lt wrote:
On January 17 2017 20:41 chrisolo wrote:
On January 17 2017 20:39 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
So looking at the comments this was an unorthodox cheese? lol


Its not a cheese by definition. It is a timing attack, where you need to do some damage in order to not be behind, but you can also kill someone as you could witness just minutes ago.


No, it's a cheese. Hydras are atrocious vs bio, so if you don't kill them immediately, you die.


They are not in small numbers as you could see. Yes it is a BO which depends on dealing damage, but it is not a do or die. Even if FlaSh hold that, he lost many SCVs and he cannot move out directly, because that many Hydras deal quite well against a small number of Marines.


Zerg is making 0 drones and no Lair during that. Flash doesn't win immediately but Jaedong would probably just GG if it failed because he probably knows he's going to get steamrolled in 10 minutes.
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2610 Posts
January 17 2017 11:47 GMT
#979
On January 17 2017 20:45 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 20:44 chrisolo wrote:
On January 17 2017 20:42 b0lt wrote:
On January 17 2017 20:41 chrisolo wrote:
On January 17 2017 20:39 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
So looking at the comments this was an unorthodox cheese? lol


Its not a cheese by definition. It is a timing attack, where you need to do some damage in order to not be behind, but you can also kill someone as you could witness just minutes ago.


No, it's a cheese. Hydras are atrocious vs bio, so if you don't kill them immediately, you die.


They are not in small numbers as you could see. Yes it is a BO which depends on dealing damage, but it is not a do or die. Even if FlaSh hold that, he lost many SCVs and he cannot move out directly, because that many Hydras deal quite well against a small number of Marines.

Jaedong needs to get a lair+lurker upgrade, doesn't have even close to +1 carapace, is still on 2 gas with a limited amount of drones.

He is dead if he doesn't kill him.


He was morphing Lair and it was probably done by the time FlaSh gg'd. FlaSh could not move out immediately and by the time he would be there, I am sure JD would have had Lurkers at his third and at his natural. It is not Do or Die. Yes you are behind, if you do not kill him, but it is not immediately over. Especially not in JDs position (killed many SCVs and had a lot of hydras remaining).
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
January 17 2017 11:47 GMT
#980
Eye of the doom...
Flash returns...
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