[ASL2] Ro8 Bisu vs Sea - Page 13

On January 03 2017 06:03 iamho wrote:
I think Sea will get rolled by Best/Hero, he didn't look so good so much as Bisu looked bad.

On January 02 2017 21:47 Letmelose wrote:
Now that all the drama has pretty much settled down. Am I the only one who is a little concerned that Bisu's execution of large scale battles in PvT doesn't seem to have improved all that much after all these years? Bisu was maxed out at this point, and Sea was no where near maxed out at this point.





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His early game dragoon micromanagement is good, his arbiter usage is good, but everything he is good at in PvT, it seems, exists purely for Bisu to reach the point where he mediocre large scale battling ability won't cost him the game. There are games from nearly ten years ago that has cleaner execution of large scale battles than what Bisu pulled off today. Bisu will never be able to overcome Flash if he doesn't know how and when to take on the terran army, and despite Bisu's mastery of other elements of the match-up, they always seem to mask this ever present weakness, instead of allowing him to reach an even higher level combined with solid large scale battling abilities.

Bisu was subpar for all three games, but it was a combination of bad luck, poor form, and re-emergence of well known weaknesses in the match-up that seem to be embedded within him, that allowed this series to be so disappointing compared to the expectations.

On January 02 2017 23:51 Letmelose wrote:


Large scale PvT battles are an integral part of the game, and has defined the success Samsung Khan protosses had in the match-up to a large degree. Bisu was given the cheat code to win the match-up by the some of the best masterminds in PvT in the form of PuSan in MBC Game HERO, and BeSt in SK Telecom T1, and has used his impressive dragoon micro-management to carry out these abusive build orders (just like zergs with impressive mutalisk micro-management can get away with some of the greediest build paths), and has used arbiters to great effect, but his inability to win in games where he cannot just recall the terran to death, or win large scale battles with 1a2a3a4a with one or two stasis fields, is basically the equivalent of zergs who can perform great mutalisk micro-management to reach hive before the terran knows what even hit him, but cannot handle the demands of handling large scale zergling, lurker, defiler, and scourge combinations. You know who used to have great mutalisk micro-management, but couldn't for the life of him handle late-game hive tech army? Shine.

It's a testament of Bisu's other great qualities such as ceaseless unit production, immaculate early dragoon micro-management, and great arbiter usage that he had such success in PvT, but it's almost unacceptable how bad Bisu is at this fundamental part of the match-up. He literally attack-moved his entire army, paid almost zero attention to his shuttle, used stasis field once, and then drag moved what remained of his zealot army towards the siege tanks. It's the kind of stuff you'd expect from a bad protoss player, not Bisu, who creates such mass devastation in multiple communities, Korean and English, whenever he falls short of the incredible expectations set for him. He doesn't need to hone his craft to the level of peak-form JangBi, just not be so weak at this particular skillset of the game that all it takes is a bad day to create this level of atrocitiy that made him lose as a maxed out protoss versus a terran who was at 140 supplies, and didn't even get any clutch EMPs in during the battle.

On January 03 2017 06:56 LaLuSh wrote:


This is why Bisu sucked ass at SC2. He has always had terrible large scale battle control and terrible decision making surrounding when and how to take late game engagements.

If you inserted Stork's control and decision making into Bisu you'd have the perfect player.

Bisu looks terrible everytime he isn't ahead entering the late game.

The way he engages with those control groups of zealots in lategames... GAHHHHHHH. The guy never spreads out his zealots before engaging, and he almost never uses move command on zealots to get deep into the tank lines. Instead the 5-10 zealots farthest ahead always end up blocking about 30 zealots behind them. Typical Bisu engagement control.

The guy can multitask 10 different locations at once, but can't be bothered to learn how to spread out one single army before engaging a large battle.

On January 03 2017 08:49 RPGabe wrote:
Terrans are looking so prepared for these Arbiter Recalls. Maybe P's should be focusing more on templars and shuttlework?

On January 02 2017 20:13 FlaShFTW wrote:
Just for Bisudagger <3

I know and I agree. I just said that it's unfair to assume he should have improved when he barely improved during the kespa era. However, he should have improved this stuff during those days. I guess the coaches were rather pushing his strengths in TvP, which made him a great sniper against calibers like Flash for example, instead of trying to increase his basics. That's the only reason I can come up with...
The loss of the shuttle is another story btw. It shows that it was not his day because usually he pays an enormous amount of attention to his shuttles. I think we all remember that game where he controlled 2 shuttles at the same time to harass with reavers. Any other protoss would have lost at least one shuttle within the first 15-30 seconds of the harass attempt. It also shows that his level of skill isn't on the level it was during the kespa era. He does a lot of blunders he didn't do during that era, even when he was in a slump.

To be fair btw., game 2 and 3 weren't decided by the miss-management of the lategame army. In game 2 he threw himself into a tough spot because of it but he could have defended the push easily with the next engagement if he didn't recall his remaining army. Game 3 was just him being unlucky with his probes spacing out.