Now that all the drama has pretty much settled down. Am I the only one who is a little concerned that Bisu's execution of large scale battles in PvT doesn't seem to have improved all that much after all these years? Bisu was maxed out at this point, and Sea was no where near maxed out at this point.

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His early game dragoon micromanagement is good, his arbiter usage is good, but everything he is good at in PvT, it seems, exists purely for Bisu to reach the point where he mediocre large scale battling ability won't cost him the game. There are games from nearly ten years ago that has cleaner execution of large scale battles than what Bisu pulled off today. Bisu will never be able to overcome Flash if he doesn't know how and when to take on the terran army, and despite Bisu's mastery of other elements of the match-up, they always seem to mask this ever present weakness, instead of allowing him to reach an even higher level combined with solid large scale battling abilities.

Bisu was subpar for all three games, but it was a combination of bad luck, poor form, and re-emergence of well known weaknesses in the match-up that seem to be embedded within him, that allowed this series to be so disappointing compared to the expectations.

Turbovolver

Australia2394 Posts

January 02 2017 13:21 GMT

#212

It's... it's almost like Bisu is bad at PvT.

ne4aJIb

Russian Federation3209 Posts

January 02 2017 13:36 GMT

#213

WHAT?! I don't believe it.

Miragee

8594 Posts

January 02 2017 13:56 GMT

#214

@Letmelose: PvT was always Bisu's "weak" match up because of that. He couldn't play carrier for shit and he was bad at large scale battles. To be fair, it's a bit unfair to ask him to improve over his kespa skills when most players' skill, except for a few amateurs and B-Teamers, decreased compared to that era. Which is only logical of course, with no coaches, no training schedule etc.

TaShadan

Germany1978 Posts

January 02 2017 14:20 GMT

#215

Too bad

Was expecting a close series.

Dante08

Singapore4139 Posts

January 02 2017 14:43 GMT

#216

Woww what a crazy third game.. Bisu's probes going haywire totally cost him the game.

quuad

Sweden77 Posts

January 02 2017 14:49 GMT

#217

'Tis the SEAson guys.

Letmelose

Korea (South)3227 Posts

January 02 2017 14:51 GMT

#218

On January 02 2017 22:56 Miragee wrote:
@Letmelose: PvT was always Bisu's "weak" match up because of that. He couldn't play carrier for shit and he was bad at large scale battles. To be fair, it's a bit unfair to ask him to improve over his kespa skills when most players' skill, except for a few amateurs and B-Teamers, decreased compared to that era. Which is only logical of course, with no coaches, no training schedule etc.

Large scale PvT battles are an integral part of the game, and has defined the success Samsung Khan protosses had in the match-up to a large degree. Bisu was given the cheat code to win the match-up by the some of the best masterminds in PvT in the form of PuSan in MBC Game HERO, and BeSt in SK Telecom T1, and has used his impressive dragoon micro-management to carry out these abusive build orders (just like zergs with impressive mutalisk micro-management can get away with some of the greediest build paths), and has used arbiters to great effect, but his inability to win in games where he cannot just recall the terran to death, or win large scale battles with 1a2a3a4a with one or two stasis fields, is basically the equivalent of zergs who can perform great mutalisk micro-management to reach hive before the terran knows what even hit him, but cannot handle the demands of handling large scale zergling, lurker, defiler, and scourge combinations. You know who used to have great mutalisk micro-management, but couldn't for the life of him handle late-game hive tech army? Shine.

It's a testament of Bisu's other great qualities such as ceaseless unit production, immaculate early dragoon micro-management, and great arbiter usage that he had such success in PvT, but it's almost unacceptable how bad Bisu is at this fundamental part of the match-up. He literally attack-moved his entire army, paid almost zero attention to his shuttle, used stasis field once, and then drag moved what remained of his zealot army towards the siege tanks. It's the kind of stuff you'd expect from a bad protoss player, not Bisu, who creates such mass devastation in multiple communities, Korean and English, whenever he falls short of the incredible expectations set for him. He doesn't need to hone his craft to the level of peak-form JangBi, just not be so weak at this particular skillset of the game that all it takes is a bad day to create this level of atrocitiy that made him lose as a maxed out protoss versus a terran who was at 140 supplies, and didn't even get any clutch EMPs in during the battle.