[ASL2] Ro8 Bisu vs Sea

On January 02 2017 19:00 FlaShFTW wrote:

shut up.

On January 02 2017 19:05 thezanursic wrote:


How could he lose?

On January 02 2017 19:09 sixfour wrote:
LET'S GO SEA

On January 02 2017 19:26 Gustav_Wind wrote:
I'm not sure the dragoon counter at Sea's nat was actually worth it. Maybe just cutting off rallied units, and then flank with those dragoons would have been better, instead of trading for SCVs?

On January 02 2017 19:10 maze. wrote:


LETS GO BISU

On January 02 2017 19:34 GTR wrote:
girls sign said 'bisu is better than my boyfriend' with said boyfriend next to her LOL

On January 02 2017 19:53 usopsama wrote:
Sea > Bisu
Sea > BeSt
Sea > Stork

Sea becomes champion through tvp?

On January 02 2017 19:53 usopsama wrote:
Sea > Bisu
Sea > BeSt
Sea > Stork

Sea becomes champion through tvp?

On January 02 2017 19:56 Xeln4g4 wrote:
Bisu must keep on with expansion and just break Sea push, while adding expans., if he uses all the army he has no problems, he is superior player. But he can not affort to split army especially when his expansion come later than those of Sea.

On January 02 2017 20:02 Qikz wrote:


Random question Bigfan, why is your icon now a bird?

On January 02 2017 20:04 Heartland wrote:
OT ET?

On January 02 2017 20:06 Zera wrote:
I can hear hundreds of liquibetters cries...

On January 02 2017 20:10 nurle wrote:
Worst series by Bisu I have ever seen

On January 02 2017 20:10 Miragee wrote:
What a terrible series. I'm so disappointed. I expected some great BW today and saw some shit micro, shit decision making from one of the best players in existence, turning the series in a complete roflstomp. Great. Why did I even get up?

On January 02 2017 20:10 Miragee wrote:
What a terrible series. I'm so disappointed. I expected some great BW today and saw some shit micro, shit decision making from one of the best players in existence, turning the series in a complete roflstomp. Great. Why did I even get up?

On January 02 2017 20:12 bovienchien wrote:
Bisu's 5 probes were so unlucky, they were dancing and moving make a circle while Bisu's 2 zealots were attacking by Sea.

On January 02 2017 20:14 Kaewins wrote:
It's like Bisu wanted to just win and be done with it, he was so not patient which made him do some very sloppy plays. Seems like he kind of choked here.

On January 02 2017 20:15 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Don't hate on Bisu too much guys... Sea is in really top form right now.

He may be changing ppl's preconceptions of what he can achieve. Legit threat to win it all?

Gonna say yes.

On January 02 2017 20:14 ZidaneTribal wrote:
wow bisu was not prepared..

On January 02 2017 20:15 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Don't hate on Bisu too much guys... Sea is in really top form right now.

He may be changing ppl's preconceptions of what he can achieve. Legit threat to win it all?

Gonna say yes.

On January 02 2017 20:10 juvenal wrote:
gg

On January 02 2017 20:18 bovienchien wrote:

Sea was micro better than Bisu, Sea was only micro avoid Bisu's probe stack to his units.

On January 02 2017 20:18 GTR wrote:
https://clips.twitch.tv/gsl/WildStorkTheThing

yeah bisu fucked up badly

On January 02 2017 20:25 DarkNetHunter wrote:
The Protoss tears are delicious

On January 02 2017 20:20 Miragee wrote:


Sea was always a highlevel player. I also don't get why people consider his TvP weak. During the kespa era he was solid in all three matchups. His problem has always been his chokes in individual leagues. Now Bisu choked and he could advance. I like Sea (his personality) and I'm glad he advanced.

However, I rather would have liked to see Bisu advance. I think a Bisu final vs whoever turns out on top on the other side of the bracket could be much more entertaining than any potential Sea finals.

On January 02 2017 20:19 Harem wrote:
Reminder that bisu stormed his own probes vs hero in their final and his play vs effort in VANT wasnt that pretty either

On January 02 2017 20:26 ThreeActPlay wrote:


a Sea of Eyewater

On January 02 2017 20:57 [[Starlight]] wrote:


So cruel.

And to think, just a couple of days ago Bisu looked so happy, drunk dancing badly in Terror's messed-up apartment.

On January 02 2017 20:59 usopsama wrote:



Sea dances, too, but only with half-naked girls.

On January 02 2017 21:11 jimminy_kriket wrote:
good god what is up with that apartment

On January 02 2017 22:56 Miragee wrote:
@Letmelose: PvT was always Bisu's "weak" match up because of that. He couldn't play carrier for shit and he was bad at large scale battles. To be fair, it's a bit unfair to ask him to improve over his kespa skills when most players' skill, except for a few amateurs and B-Teamers, decreased compared to that era. Which is only logical of course, with no coaches, no training schedule etc.

On January 03 2017 00:22 stuchiu wrote:
This is interesting. When I asked people about Sea in the group stage, they said he'd drop out.

Now he's in the semis.

On January 02 2017 20:10 juvenal wrote:
gg

On January 03 2017 00:58 Lunaticman wrote:
Sea has always been one of the best macro players of all time, no joke. His problem has always been he has this mental block when playing tournaments. Just look at him during some of his offline tournament games in the past, pure terror in his eyes.

This time he just played and look what happend. He did a good job of removing Bisu from his comfort zones too.

On January 03 2017 03:58 [[Starlight]] wrote:
I think some of those games were closer/luckier than ppl realize.

Still, major props to Sea. Biggest upset we've seen in awhile, though maybe it's time we adjusted our perceptions of what Sea can really do.

On January 03 2017 05:17 Descent wrote:

I think Sea has been largely underestimated. In the past (before SC2), he was always the friendly guy who showed up most on TL and tried to learn English to communicate with us, but never really won anything. However, his skill level was always up there, so he's always had the potential to make some improvements and get in the top tier. Will be interesting to see how he does in the semi-finals.

On January 03 2017 06:03 iamho wrote:
I think Sea will get rolled by Best/Hero, he didn't look so good so much as Bisu looked bad.

On January 02 2017 21:47 Letmelose wrote:
Now that all the drama has pretty much settled down. Am I the only one who is a little concerned that Bisu's execution of large scale battles in PvT doesn't seem to have improved all that much after all these years? Bisu was maxed out at this point, and Sea was no where near maxed out at this point.





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His early game dragoon micromanagement is good, his arbiter usage is good, but everything he is good at in PvT, it seems, exists purely for Bisu to reach the point where he mediocre large scale battling ability won't cost him the game. There are games from nearly ten years ago that has cleaner execution of large scale battles than what Bisu pulled off today. Bisu will never be able to overcome Flash if he doesn't know how and when to take on the terran army, and despite Bisu's mastery of other elements of the match-up, they always seem to mask this ever present weakness, instead of allowing him to reach an even higher level combined with solid large scale battling abilities.

Bisu was subpar for all three games, but it was a combination of bad luck, poor form, and re-emergence of well known weaknesses in the match-up that seem to be embedded within him, that allowed this series to be so disappointing compared to the expectations.

On January 02 2017 23:51 Letmelose wrote:


Large scale PvT battles are an integral part of the game, and has defined the success Samsung Khan protosses had in the match-up to a large degree. Bisu was given the cheat code to win the match-up by the some of the best masterminds in PvT in the form of PuSan in MBC Game HERO, and BeSt in SK Telecom T1, and has used his impressive dragoon micro-management to carry out these abusive build orders (just like zergs with impressive mutalisk micro-management can get away with some of the greediest build paths), and has used arbiters to great effect, but his inability to win in games where he cannot just recall the terran to death, or win large scale battles with 1a2a3a4a with one or two stasis fields, is basically the equivalent of zergs who can perform great mutalisk micro-management to reach hive before the terran knows what even hit him, but cannot handle the demands of handling large scale zergling, lurker, defiler, and scourge combinations. You know who used to have great mutalisk micro-management, but couldn't for the life of him handle late-game hive tech army? Shine.

It's a testament of Bisu's other great qualities such as ceaseless unit production, immaculate early dragoon micro-management, and great arbiter usage that he had such success in PvT, but it's almost unacceptable how bad Bisu is at this fundamental part of the match-up. He literally attack-moved his entire army, paid almost zero attention to his shuttle, used stasis field once, and then drag moved what remained of his zealot army towards the siege tanks. It's the kind of stuff you'd expect from a bad protoss player, not Bisu, who creates such mass devastation in multiple communities, Korean and English, whenever he falls short of the incredible expectations set for him. He doesn't need to hone his craft to the level of peak-form JangBi, just not be so weak at this particular skillset of the game that all it takes is a bad day to create this level of atrocitiy that made him lose as a maxed out protoss versus a terran who was at 140 supplies, and didn't even get any clutch EMPs in during the battle.

On January 03 2017 06:56 LaLuSh wrote:


This is why Bisu sucked ass at SC2. He has always had terrible large scale battle control and terrible decision making surrounding when and how to take late game engagements.

If you inserted Stork's control and decision making into Bisu you'd have the perfect player.

Bisu looks terrible everytime he isn't ahead entering the late game.

The way he engages with those control groups of zealots in lategames... GAHHHHHHH. The guy never spreads out his zealots before engaging, and he almost never uses move command on zealots to get deep into the tank lines. Instead the 5-10 zealots farthest ahead always end up blocking about 30 zealots behind them. Typical Bisu engagement control.

The guy can multitask 10 different locations at once, but can't be bothered to learn how to spread out one single army before engaging a large battle.

On January 03 2017 08:49 RPGabe wrote:
Terrans are looking so prepared for these Arbiter Recalls. Maybe P's should be focusing more on templars and shuttlework?

On January 02 2017 20:13 FlaShFTW wrote:
Just for Bisudagger <3

I know and I agree. I just said that it's unfair to assume he should have improved when he barely improved during the kespa era. However, he should have improved this stuff during those days. I guess the coaches were rather pushing his strengths in TvP, which made him a great sniper against calibers like Flash for example, instead of trying to increase his basics. That's the only reason I can come up with...
The loss of the shuttle is another story btw. It shows that it was not his day because usually he pays an enormous amount of attention to his shuttles. I think we all remember that game where he controlled 2 shuttles at the same time to harass with reavers. Any other protoss would have lost at least one shuttle within the first 15-30 seconds of the harass attempt. It also shows that his level of skill isn't on the level it was during the kespa era. He does a lot of blunders he didn't do during that era, even when he was in a slump.

To be fair btw., game 2 and 3 weren't decided by the miss-management of the lategame army. In game 2 he threw himself into a tough spot because of it but he could have defended the push easily with the next engagement if he didn't recall his remaining army. Game 3 was just him being unlucky with his probes spacing out.

On January 03 2017 13:59 Descent wrote:
Is someone going to make a thread for the Ro8 match between BeSt and hero in a few hours?