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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19044 Posts
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Cele
Germany4013 Posts
On September 06 2016 06:43 BisuDagger wrote: Not a lot of posts here but the viewership for the finals was great. Thanks for hosting this iccup! thx for your support. We'll be back. Soon. Very Soon. | ||
trutaCz
Poland686 Posts
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B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
On September 07 2016 07:26 trutaCz wrote: Cele i have a question. Have you guys been thiinking about organizing an other even instead of nation wars? I think that for the current state of foreign bw it's not the best kind of tournament because we have 2 very good teams Poland and Russia and rest is not really at this level, also many walkovers, maybe we should just ask community, viewers, players what we really need? I agree, this tournament doesn't tell much about a country's skill, way too many walkovers. For example my country finished in like last place even though we have amazing players.. if our top players (draw/dragon/cute/bizzy/LD/munkie etc) always showed up I'm sure we can beat poland/russia. I think the normal tournies like TLS or defiler are best. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19044 Posts
On September 07 2016 07:26 trutaCz wrote: Cele i have a question. Have you guys been thiinking about organizing an other even instead of nation wars? I think that for the current state of foreign bw it's not the best kind of tournament because we have 2 very good teams Poland and Russia and rest is not really at this level, also many walkovers, maybe we should just ask community, viewers, players what we really need? What if the Gambit cup was brought back? | ||
GeckoXp
Germany2013 Posts
grats bisudagger grats | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19044 Posts
On September 08 2016 02:56 GeckoXp wrote: then you would have eywa grats bisudagger grats Listen Gecko, I was in my Liquibet prime back when the GambitCup was around. We all have to make sacrifices for my greater good. | ||
_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
On September 07 2016 10:26 Assault_1 wrote: I agree, this tournament doesn't tell much about a country's skill, way too many walkovers. For example my country finished in like last place even though we have amazing players.. if our top players (draw/dragon/cute/bizzy/LD/munkie etc) always showed up I'm sure we can beat poland/russia. I think the normal tournies like TLS or defiler are best. First thing that comes to my mind as solution is allkill format. But that has to be discussed. | ||
iCCup.Face
Italy447 Posts
Probably the first two Nations are overskilled, true, but doesn't mean others hadn't fun playing. Your ideas are all good, but it's something different from what we were asked for. | ||
GeckoXp
Germany2013 Posts
On September 08 2016 03:06 BisuDagger wrote: Listen Gecko, I was in my Liquibet prime back when the GambitCup was around. We all have to make sacrifices for my greater good. if some people wouldnt ban other people, some people would make their point by posting memes about this situation. EEE 2016 musnt happen. not here, not in prague, not anywhere. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19044 Posts
On September 08 2016 05:07 GeckoXp wrote: if some people wouldnt ban other people, some people would make their point by posting memes about this situation. EEE 2016 musnt happen. not here, not in prague, not anywhere. Go for it. I'll take the heat on this next meme. *braces himself* | ||
trutaCz
Poland686 Posts
-We have a lot of teams, and only two of them really fight for the win -We have a lot or walkovers, Nation teams disbanding after a few matches due to bad results, or players not really caring of it -We have a low viewership - I heard from people that they dont care about nations at all and they dont follow the event -The rules of current map per week kills strategical aspect of predicting which player will Play which map, -Ace match if there is a draw, that was always exciting for the viewers, because basicly that was fight between two very good players. -Bo1 for team leagues seems to be better idea beacuse in bo1 on specific map, weaker player can bring some special strategy and take out the better player -Coverage for the event, liquipedia page, stats per players,races,maps,rankings,interviews Probably many many more which i forgot at the moment, these are my thoughts about events organized in past months. I have the feeling the events are organized without passion or knowledge about how it should like to provide a success. It also may be lack of people to organize(I never seen a topic created by organizers where they look for help to improve quality of event....), but when i see meanhwile they do coverage about korean scene and never care about foreign scene, it simply pisses me off. You can hate eywa and game for what they did, but they also hosted the best bw events foreign bw had after sc2 release. (Isl + gambit) Written on phone so here might be some word mistakes. | ||
Bonyth
Poland499 Posts
On September 08 2016 11:13 trutaCz wrote: It also may be lack of people to organize(I never seen a topic created by organizers where they look for help to improve quality of event....) http://iccup.com/en/community/thread/840789.html But overall, Nation League wasnt that bad as u claim it to be. If anything, certain players from certain nations just weren't motivated enough to come play NL on a weekly basis and I think that was the biggest issue. Random players = random results. | ||
[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6325 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19044 Posts
On September 08 2016 15:30 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: This is not a teamliquid event,so dont expect to have coverage from tl team,they re proly busy with korean coverage etc,or playing in batteryshield,if the event is not from tl dont expect to see even a post from them like they do in their coverages,i think the viewer rate was decent for this event,even if the thread was empty,and i think this part was our fault,this was a league created for us the players afterall it was our part to show more love and support,there not many people to help,i wish more top players helped about this.i guess an all kill format could be interesting for the league.is not Poland or Russia fault to have so many good playrers,i think the event had a good sucess. I really wish i had time for foreign events, but korean timed events work better since they occur in the early morning. As far as coverage, our current staff barely has the bandwidth for korean events. It takes a lot of effort for us to get them done. Maybe we can find the most important things staff can help with and at least accomplish that. What do you want most from us? Community posts for the starts of big foreign tournys, a finals writeup, something else? | ||
noname_
454 Posts
edit: I just now read that these were alrady proposed, great! | ||
_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
On September 08 2016 17:01 noname_ wrote: My two cents on this: I think it would be great to know both the map your opponent in advance (just like in pl) I tried to implement this into rules in the previous nationwars tournament but thats imposible, players are not that serious and lineups are delayed even after the start of the tour, since nobody knows who will show up. | ||
trutaCz
Poland686 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6325 Posts
On September 08 2016 16:49 BisuDagger wrote: I really wish i had time for foreign events, but korean timed events work better since they occur in the early morning. As far as coverage, our current staff barely has the bandwidth for korean events. It takes a lot of effort for us to get them done. Maybe we can find the most important things staff can help with and at least accomplish that. What do you want most from us? Community posts for the starts of big foreign tournys, a finals writeup, something else? I understand and find totally fine people priorities.And i can understand our event or leagues are not so skilled compared to the korean,that being said there are lot of skilled writers on tl that atleast from time to time could do a write up to some of our events,and maybe checking some of the defiler tourneys.but it wasnt me trying to blame tl,i was just pointing the situation and what the main priority is. I just love bw in general no matter if they are playing from Peru chile australia or Congo :d | ||
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