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prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
October 14 2015 22:20 GMT
#41
^^Good analysis.

Just re-watched Effort/Last game 4 and Last's early wraiths effectively forced the Zerg to go hydra instead of muta. This forced Effort to cede map control and worker harassment, preventing him from stalling for tech and macro.

sSak and Rush both also often use such early wraith or vulture strategies to force the same, with varying results, but it's nice to see Terran players disrupting traditional ZvT play.

Very much agree that Last has ascended to the top or, at least, second tier, of TvZers, particularly on the traditional FS/CB maps. His seamless transition to mech play mid-game after bio pushes/drops very much reminds me of Mind and Sea
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United States8017 Posts
October 15 2015 06:01 GMT
#42
On October 14 2015 21:09 feckless wrote:
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On October 14 2015 15:44 L_Master wrote:
EffOrt had me worried for a while there. Last brought some good stuff to the table, but overall EffOrt felt a little sloppier than I'm used to seeing.

Still, he made it through and has some time to get it cleaned up before his next foe. Hoping he can make it two in a row.

I think Last is a far better player than many give him credit. He played EffOrt to a pretty even (and quite intense) first match on Circuit Breaker, and then took the second game rather easily. The third game was simple craziness for both sides.
Last's gameplan for the fourth set was especially significant, in my opinion.
Teching straight to starport and gaining air control momentarily, Last grabs two overlords and obliges the rest to cower in the base, while EffOrt is pressured to get a few hydras. Last goes out for a seeming rush attack, forcing sunkens at both the natural and mineral-only. But he evades both fronts and simply elevators his army into the zerg main, taking it out with ease.
I do think that both of them showed sloppy play at times. For instance, in the fourth game, Last lost his entire bio force, plus a tank and a vessel to a bunch of lurkers and scourge. Although I think that might have been a decent tradeoff, annihilating pretty much EffOrt's entire army in the process. EffOrt did play rather clumsily near the end of the game when his army got turned to mincemeat outside Last's base.
Anyway, I surmise that my expectation for a more intense tiebreaker (and game-winner) was the reason for my disappointment for what (I felt) was a rather anti-climactic final game, at least from the point-of-view from Last. From the opposite perspective, EffOrt demonstrated a more solid performance in that final set.
In either case, I didn't think that these two would have given us a lackluster series.


Yea, the series overall was entertaining. From a pure entertainment standpoint, G1 and G4 were excellent, though G4 ended with a wimper.

I guess I don't have a feel for the vibe on how people view Last, but I think he is close to, if not in, the top echelon of terrans in SOSPA currently. Top 5, probably top 3.

I enjoyed the series quite a bit overall, you highlighted some of the key points, but in general watching these two awesome guys go at it there were so many moments where I was thinking "this guy is so fuckin clever, I LOVE this!".
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
October 15 2015 06:17 GMT
#43
Last was unfortunate to hit EffOrt in ro8, he could have gone on to the ro4 or even finals if he had only other terrans or a OSL-cursed hero to face. He showed good preparation and overall high level play but EffOrt is simply the best Zerg atm.
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