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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 02 2006 01:32 GMT
#421
Savior is fucking rolling atm.

I used to bet on Nal_Ra in pvz. When he made his comeback he was on fire here as well, but now.. he has slowed down it would seem.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
November 02 2006 02:33 GMT
#422
fuckshit. i really had my hopes up after reading about the epic first game
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
EmilyJieunChoi
Profile Joined March 2006
China246 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-02 02:42:51
November 02 2006 02:41 GMT
#423
On November 02 2006 09:50 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2006 04:31 Da_PlayerX wrote:
but rA refused the third cannon too, he started third cannon but stoped it too... so this is where his mistake is according to me

No, no.

He did NOT refuse the third cannon. The commentators were curious to what happened as well. And while the probe was scouting, the 2nd cannon was 95% done. And he cancels when he doesn't see many zerglings. But SECONDS later, he sees a large force of lings, and he IMMEDIATELY rebuilds the 2nd cannon. And another probe is lined up below the nexus, ready to build a 3rd cannon... waiting waiting... It took several more seconds for the 3rd one to be built....

Nal_rA is not stupid. SURE, he saw that a 9-pool was being built. But, he also saw TWO simultaneous expansions going down. So, he deduced that money was NOT being spent on zerglings.


To be honest, I don't think Nal_rA could have missed the 10 or so zerglings chasing his probe and obviously, he should not have canceled his second cannon. Savior killed his scouting probe with those 10 zerglings and then Nal_rA decided to rebuild his second cannon and third cannon. Those initial 10 zerglings are what went past his cannons to his main.
Bisu[Shield]
WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-02 03:10:05
November 02 2006 03:00 GMT
#424
On November 02 2006 11:41 EmilyJieunChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2006 09:50 WhatisProtoss wrote:
On November 02 2006 04:31 Da_PlayerX wrote:
but rA refused the third cannon too, he started third cannon but stoped it too... so this is where his mistake is according to me

No, no.

He did NOT refuse the third cannon. The commentators were curious to what happened as well. And while the probe was scouting, the 2nd cannon was 95% done. And he cancels when he doesn't see many zerglings. But SECONDS later, he sees a large force of lings, and he IMMEDIATELY rebuilds the 2nd cannon. And another probe is lined up below the nexus, ready to build a 3rd cannon... waiting waiting... It took several more seconds for the 3rd one to be built....

Nal_rA is not stupid. SURE, he saw that a 9-pool was being built. But, he also saw TWO simultaneous expansions going down. So, he deduced that money was NOT being spent on zerglings.


To be honest, I don't think Nal_rA could have missed the 10 or so zerglings chasing his probe and obviously, he should not have canceled his second cannon. Savior killed his scouting probe with those 10 zerglings and then Nal_rA decided to rebuild his second cannon and third cannon. Those initial 10 zerglings are what went past his cannons to his main.

Savior was hiding them... but did not kill the probe quickly enough. If he had seen them earlier, he would NOT have canceled.
_Carlodajin_
Profile Joined August 2006
Peru88 Posts
November 02 2006 03:14 GMT
#425
You see all these 22 pages argument its ok unless some bitch insult someone...
My Top Five 1)SlayerS_`BoxeR` 2)AnyTime[gm] 3)JulyZerg 4)IlOveOOv 5)XellOs[yG]
WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-02 03:21:50
November 02 2006 03:21 GMT
#426
On November 02 2006 12:14 _Carlodajin_ wrote:
You see all these 22 pages argument its ok unless some bitch insult someone...

What...? I don't understand.....
tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-02 04:11:28
November 02 2006 04:10 GMT
#427
I really don't want silver to win this seriously. it would suck so much, but savior's zvz isn't godly, though competitive and its not his fault really, but the fact that in zvz there is no mind games, its luck and coming out of a disadvantage with micro, which I think silver is fully capable of . go savior.
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
November 02 2006 04:35 GMT
#428
Whats the final now ? NaDa vs IPXZERG ? Or is this another league ? Who is in the final ? Enlighten me plz : D
hatred outlives the hateful
WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
November 02 2006 05:16 GMT
#429
On November 02 2006 13:35 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Whats the final now ? NaDa vs IPXZERG ? Or is this another league ? Who is in the final ? Enlighten me plz : D


MBC StarLeague: Savior (z) vs. Silver (z)

OGN StarLeague: NaDa (t) vs. To Be Determined (AnyTime (p) vs. Midas (t))
akamufu
Profile Joined June 2006
Korea (South)321 Posts
November 02 2006 05:17 GMT
#430
sad, nal_ra lost, i bet all my gosubets on him in gg.net
Its all fun and games until Boxer loses a marine.
BeaTeR
Profile Joined March 2003
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
November 02 2006 05:24 GMT
#431
so sad, really...
hope he beats jju and get 3rd place...
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
November 02 2006 07:26 GMT
#432
On November 02 2006 08:32 neotoss wrote:
Savior is just too strong at moment. Sad to see rA loss to him again.
Reach loss to him 1-3 in MSL final
rA loss to him 1-3 in last MSL final
rA loss to him 1-3 in MSL semi final now

There are just no toss can really challenge him. Maybe no terraner as well. As far as I can remeber there is no toss player can win a Final vs Z nowadays. Garimto and Grrr won once long long time ago.
Terraner wins almost always in Final against Zerg and Toss win always again Terraner in Final. I am not 100% sure, please correct me if I am wrong.


recent protoss OSL winners
Kingdom oer nal_rA
nal_rA over zeus
reach over boxer
anytime over boxer

looks like pvp, pvt.

siro)
Profile Joined January 2006
Australia848 Posts
November 02 2006 07:47 GMT
#433
i hope so much for a nada v savior superfight
lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
November 02 2006 09:17 GMT
#434
I don't want to start this one up, but man Savior is strating to look like the most powerful zerg ever. He's toying with everyone in whatever maps, unbeatable in Bo5 matches.
Chuck Norris owns the greatest Poker Face of all-time. It helped him win the 1983 WSOP holding just a Get out of Jail Free Monopoloy card, and a green #4 card from the game UNO, against an AAA KK flop and his rival folding AK after Chuck raised him ALL-IN
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
November 02 2006 09:24 GMT
#435
Savior has a weakness though -- ZvZ. That's why I think he will lose this MSL. Silver is a bit stronger in that match-up.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
November 02 2006 09:27 GMT
#436
On November 02 2006 18:24 Mortality wrote:
Savior has a weakness though -- ZvZ. That's why I think he will lose this MSL. Silver is a bit stronger in that match-up.


would be gay if silver won this msl =. =
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tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
November 02 2006 09:56 GMT
#437
On November 02 2006 18:17 lightman wrote:
I don't want to start this one up, but man Savior is strating to look like the most powerful zerg ever. He's toying with everyone in whatever maps, unbeatable in Bo5 matches.


he started to look that months ago.
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
November 02 2006 21:11 GMT
#438
Get Anytime's ass in the ring with Savior.
Oh god a Silver vs OSL champ Superfight would be GAY GAY GAY. But Savior winning the most MSL's would be GAY GAY GAY too. Argh..
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4133 Posts
November 02 2006 22:11 GMT
#439
On November 03 2006 06:11 SuperJongMan wrote:
Get Anytime's ass in the ring with Savior.
Oh god a Silver vs OSL champ Superfight would be GAY GAY GAY. But Savior winning the most MSL's would be GAY GAY GAY too. Argh..

No there is better scenario, Silver winning against savior coz savior is not so good ZvZ and Anytime winning Nada, but because it is ZvP silver win against anytime and he get the crown without playing single terran:-))
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-02 23:13:50
November 02 2006 23:09 GMT
#440
I too think that rA COULD have won (not likely, but this series shows he's certainly capable).

The game on Blitz was absolute rape, the game on Arcadia was (apparently) a misread [either that or a misclick. Seems to me that there's good evidence it was a misread]. However, game 2 wasn't that bad. Savior had to make some good moves to cancel rA's expo multiple times (which I feel was more of a mistake from rA). If he actually bothered defending, game 2 was certainly winnable.

And who knows what coulda happened on Arcadia? rA went nex first vs. pool, COULD have stopped the ling rush cold, but Savior had 2 quick expoes, so he wasn't really in poor shape himself (probably still behind, but not by much). It's really impossible to say what would have happened if he didn't cancel.

Edit:
WTF, Savior's ZvZ is great. It's just that it depends on so many minute things that are sometimes out of the player's control that it's impossible to be absolutely dominating in the MU. So I guess relative to his ZvT and ZvP, his ZvZ is absolutely terrible, but compared to other pros, it's still really good
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