EPT02/11 MSL Semifinal 2
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diehilde1
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BeaTeR
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Zeto
United States2290 Posts
I think he can do it, just look at the map line-up this MSL season: Sin Peaks Longinus Blitz Arcadia II Sin Peaks No crazy ZvP imbalanced piece of shit maps like The Eye or the first peaks of baekdu. If not a win, I expect a 3:2 series. | ||
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diehilde1
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yubee
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Cbreaker
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Ra > Savior @ Sin Peaks Ra < Savior @ Longinus Ra > Savior @ Blitz Ra > Savior @ Arcadia thats my prediction! dont let me down silver! | ||
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jcccf
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rA > Savior Sin Peaks rA < Savior Longinus rA > Savior Blitz rA < Savior Arcadia II rA > Savior Sin Peaks is what I'm hoping will happen | ||
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Luhh
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
On November 02 2006 00:27 Luhh wrote: No way rA wins on blitz or arcadia. rA must win on both peaks plus longinus, and I just can't see that at the moment. 3-1 or 3-0 savior. On Blitz I think protoss has a good chance for 2 gate proxy zeal rush due to the narrow ramps, known starting positions, and short rush distance. Knowing rA he will probably try some variant of this. Of course zerg knows this, and may 9 pool or prepare accordingly. | ||
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Tomhas
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Harisu
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
SIlver said in his interview after beating JJu 3-1 On the day Kang Min played, I also won. That happened throughout this season. When I won 2:0 Min hyung(*2) won 2:0, whenever I won, he did too. On that day I came up with a jinx saying 'if I defeat Byun Eunjong(jju), Min hyung will also defeat Ma Jaeyoon" Dont lose faith starts in an hour | ||
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Byyk
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araav
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BeaTeR
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 02 2006 00:44 BeaTeR wrote: 1:40 TL net timewhen does it start? in 30 minutes? | ||
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BeaTeR
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AyOnY
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thedeadhaji
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One Page Memory
Bulgaria2145 Posts
But sometimes dreams do come true. We believe! P.S. Someone bring please the cannon thing | ||
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Da_PlayerX
Bulgaria1304 Posts
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Da_PlayerX
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
On November 02 2006 01:11 thedeadhaji wrote: arcadia II... if rA can get past early game and set up his reaver sair, anything can happen. Remember ipx vs Reach on Arcadia I last msl? Ra does have a better sense of reaver micro, however, and also the insight to support his shuttle-reaver with shuttle-HT. | ||
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Da_PlayerX
Bulgaria1304 Posts
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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Ido
Germany661 Posts
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yubee
United States3826 Posts
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
Sorry guys | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
sometranslate the text cast from fifo or w/e WE MUST KNOW ABOUT THESE GAMESSSS | ||
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
http://www.playsc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=38498&extra=&page=8 | ||
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Ido
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Cbreaker
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BeaTeR
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Cbreaker
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Da_PlayerX
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Red_Dragon
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diehilde1
Germany522 Posts
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thedeadhaji
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2324 Posts
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MaTRiX[SiN]
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jcccf
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On November 02 2006 01:41 WhatisProtoss wrote: No worries, I have MBC channels working. Just waiting for MBCGame broadcast to start...... you are my sAviOr :D | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2324 Posts
(It is not the broadcast time....) Pray that this clears up if you want live reports.... =/ | ||
uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
edit: unless whatisprotoss wants to do them then gogogo | ||
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diehilde1
Germany522 Posts
On November 02 2006 01:41 WhatisProtoss wrote: No worries, I have MBC channels working. Just waiting for MBCGame broadcast to start...... u got that free online or with payment/korean tv? in short: any way to watch it online for free? like with tvants or smth? | ||
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Da_PlayerX
Bulgaria1304 Posts
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Ido
Germany661 Posts
 We need MBCGame? | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2324 Posts
On November 02 2006 01:48 uhjoo wrote: I'll do live reports edit: unless whatisprotoss wants to do them then gogogo Hm, weird... MBCGame isn't starting, it's been "paused" for a long time... I'm only getting MBC news and KBS. You do it for now, I'll try to find out what's wrong. | ||
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diehilde1
Germany522 Posts
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
2006: Nal_rA vs Z: 45.5% 2006: savior v P: untouchable T.T | ||
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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Resonate
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uhjoo
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Ido
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
On November 02 2006 01:58 uhjoo wrote: They're just doing the basic pre-game talk 2006: Nal_rA vs Z: 45.5% 2006: savior v P: untouchable T.T holy sh't but we still hope... | ||
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thedeadhaji
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On November 02 2006 01:58 Cbreaker wrote: 11 pages of complaints in thread over at playsc... ahahaha  | ||
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diehilde1
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Cbreaker
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Ido
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Cbreaker
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
PvZ: 11:13 savior v P: 1:0 rA v Z: 1:1 | ||
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yubee
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
rA at 1, savior at 7 | ||
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thedeadhaji
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THANKS XELLOSSSS | ||
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BeaTeR
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Ido
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Ilikestarcraft
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Polemarch
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Da_PlayerX
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
savior looks like 12 pool first then hat at natch | ||
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
rA cyber started, 2 lings from savior at rA's ramp savior 3rd hatch and gas morphing | ||
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
savior going 3 hatch hydra, no lair | ||
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
savior harassing with lings and around 4 hydras to prevent cannon at bottom, rA fights it off with 4 zeals and goon savior lair going up | ||
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thedeadhaji
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On November 02 2006 02:06 Cbreaker wrote: rofl, the mod doing the text live report over at playsc is getting spammed like no other in his thread, so he quit T.T TEAMLIQUID <3's our live reporters!! <3 | ||
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Resonate
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Cbreaker
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
rA has a dt out, trying to harass expo savior send ol before to 5 to prevent dt harass, expos there perfectly savior also expos at 9 ra adding 3 more gates, for total of 4 | ||
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Byyk
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Da_PlayerX
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
savior totally just expoing and not pressuring up front. lurks out. rA finally pushes out with expeditionary force of around 8 leggy zeals, backs off rA tries to expo at 2 but savior sends 4 hydra + 1 lurk to prevent that savior is so maphack | ||
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BeaTeR
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Asta
Germany3491 Posts
go savior! | ||
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
savior many lurk catches obs with scourge, plants lurks at peak on the right side rA expoing at 2, savior has a stop lurker behind min line | ||
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uhjoo
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Organ
Russian Federation987 Posts
 ( Sounds very bad for Kang Min. | ||
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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Ketama)Djin(
Germany2590 Posts
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
savior queens' nest going up, ling llurk going toward 2 but it's well defended | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
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yubee
United States3826 Posts
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
rA expanding at 11 fight on right cliff, savior ling lurk, rA mixed army savior 3 chamber, rA 2 forge | ||
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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Polemarch
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
rA winning fight, backing off to other cliff rA wins fight with nice micro and storms savior recharging troops and has lurk contained the right side with 4 lurks and some scourge rA expoing AGAIN at 10 | ||
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Da_PlayerX
Bulgaria1304 Posts
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Ketama)Djin(
Germany2590 Posts
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yubee
United States3826 Posts
On November 02 2006 02:20 Elsi wrote: sexy reports, keep them up, if you've got anything to add yubee, feel free to post! unfortunately i'm in the dark, with the exception of uhjoo's live reports. everyone sells out too quickly to savior though. i still believe | ||
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
savior outgrading rA and defiler going up, adding more hatches savior has gone purely ling lurk, making his stand on right lower cliff millions of lurk ling there. don't go in there rA | ||
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thedeadhaji
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diehilde1
Germany522 Posts
On November 02 2006 02:20 Polemarch wrote: is there an easy way for foreigners to watch this, with playsc apparently not up? lol dude i considered trying out every Korean named channel on TVants just to find MBCGame... Although i think there prolly doesnt even exist a MBCGame stream on TVants. But i considered doing it for the 1% chance anyway... so in short: HELL NO! | ||
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Da_PlayerX
Bulgaria1304 Posts
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
savior sends around 3 control groups of lings to rA's nat rA loses cannon but stops it savior sends more lings to rA's nat, drops 2 ol worth of lings in rA's base at the same time rA defends nicely, loses a few buildings savior attacking 2 with swarm + lurk + ling, rA fights it off easily with mass cannon storm flower toss fighting | ||
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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Ido
Germany661 Posts
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uhjoo
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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Elsi
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
savior is controlling this match however don't give savior time to do whateer he wants he's a cruel bastard savior taking rA's former expo at 2 with hatch | ||
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Resonate
United Kingdom8402 Posts
go rA | ||
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
savior drops ling defiler into rA's main, swarming, rA losing many buildings rA probably going in for final han bang rush | ||
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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Asta
Germany3491 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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Luhh
Sweden2974 Posts
On November 02 2006 02:27 Cbreaker wrote: PLAY SC LIVE STREAM ALMOST UP - BUFFERING If that's a joke, I'll vote for a ban! | ||
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Da_PlayerX
Bulgaria1304 Posts
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Resonate
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2324 Posts
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
savior has ultras out now ok big decisive fight at lower right cliff rA winning fight, reavers doing lots of work rA wins fight, takes out 5 expo | ||
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Da_PlayerX
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BeaTeR
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Resonate
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
rA drops 2 with 2 speed shuttles but savior's sunks pop just in time savior remaking 8 and 5 rA doing good! | ||
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Ido
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Da_PlayerX
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Cbreaker
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BeaTeR
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Ido
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Luhh
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Cbreaker
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
rA drops 2 again with 2 reaver, savior defends with hydra but has to pull drone savior might be having money problems now, nice harass by rA with reavers | ||
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
he also has a million ultras now big fight again in center, savior backs off most of rA's buildings in main are gone, rA adding DA, buildings are mostly on the left side now rA having money problems now | ||
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
rA looking great | ||
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BeaTeR
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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WhatisProtoss
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Ido
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Cbreaker
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
rA going at savior's nat rA has great mix, savior has filer hydra some ultra, adding lurk savior only 1 real mining base now, so does rA but rA has better mix this is so back and forth, savior making it a game even after losing center fight | ||
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AyOnY
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Ido
Germany661 Posts
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WhatisProtoss
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ssj100
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
only place with money is now 5, rA expoing there, no more money on the whole map now except savior's 8 and rA's 5 | ||
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WhatisProtoss
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Resonate
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Cbreaker
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Resonate
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On November 02 2006 02:39 ssj100 wrote: Savior must be thinking of NaDa and getting scared. haha | ||
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AyOnY
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On November 02 2006 02:40 Resonate wrote: GO RA WE STILL BELEEEEEEEEEVE!!!!!!! | ||
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WhatisProtoss
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Cbreaker
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
rA's expo up now at 5, has archon 1 DA zeal ht reaver savior somehow has squeezed out around 10ultra and has around 20 hydra some filer rA in pure defense mode now, probably planning to rely on advantage of his flower cannons and to mine out the map | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
xD | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
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WhatisProtoss
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Da_PlayerX
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AyOnY
Pitcairn1026 Posts
On November 02 2006 02:43 FrozenArbiter wrote: Pretty sure I just saw a 72 kill reaver xD holy shit | ||
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WhatisProtoss
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
savior almost out of mins to mine, looks like he's out of money, and going for 1 more big fight, trying to snipe shuttle with scourge rA getting offensive now, going at 8 savior runs and instead goes at rA's 5 no more mins left anyway at either base, both bases destroyed | ||
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Ido
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WhatisProtoss
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Resonate
United Kingdom8402 Posts
come on ra... | ||
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Ido
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Organ
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
lol rA relay mining the remaining mins from savior's base at 8 only thing left is a final fight | ||
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Ido
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Ido
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Ido
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WhatisProtoss
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polarwolf
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
rA going at savior's nat, no defense there now savior instead wants to go for elimination, going up left side, taking out everything there this is pure elimination fight time | ||
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WhatisProtoss
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Some said spyware, I dunno, I think it's only certain channels (not this one). Use IE. ASUDHSFDSF ELIMINATION RACE. | ||
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
rA comes out with 2 reaver to defend, slowing the wreckage, but savior still stomping all over rA needs a hidden pylon somewhere this is awesome | ||
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Luhh
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
savior only has 3, rA taking it out looks like gg GG | ||
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Cbreaker
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zurg
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Cbreaker
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Luhh
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
yet, it must be done... | ||
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Da_PlayerX
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Organ
Russian Federation987 Posts
And also great thanks to the reporter. | ||
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Ido
Germany661 Posts
rA saving his last shuttle with great micro, rescueing some last probes to build hidden pylons... wow! | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
edit. savior has bad luck on scourge | ||
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Aepplet
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Lukeeze[zR]
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Polemarch
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fig_newbie
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
its soo balanced.. Protoss users are used to getting the shit beaten outta them and have to do soo many things to try win on normal maps... in this balanced map it all pays off as we just saw! whereas zerg users dont need such strict disipline and that showed as well | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
rA is my GOD! | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2324 Posts
ZvP is too easy on this map.... | ||
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diehilde1
Germany522 Posts
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Resonate
United Kingdom8402 Posts
awesome reports uhjoo gg! | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium3994 Posts
On November 02 2006 03:00 FrozenArbiter wrote: Savior looked quite crushed after that! Gogo 3-0! No way this is going to happen. No fucking way. | ||
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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Red_Dragon
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
10-2 TvZ 6-3 ZvP 5-3 PvT Nal_rA 4-1 vs all 1-0 vs zerg Savior 2-0 vs all 2-0 vs protoss On November 02 2006 03:01 WhatisProtoss wrote: Next match: Longinus ZvP is too easy on this map.... But didn't savior change the map to be played twice from Longinus into Sin Peaks? And wasn't Kingdom vs Savior on Longinus way closer than the game on blitz O.o? I dunno, I hope it's not as imbalanced as you think (I have no personal opinion ). | ||
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Luhh
Sweden2974 Posts
The way I called it makes this map the key to victory, but if Savior plays the way he did on the previous map, this is his win. Hopefully ra has a cool build prepared for another cool game instead of a romp a la kingdom. | ||
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
in the beginning both making few jobs here and there, scared of the other's uppercut then rA landed amazing body blows- i.e. taking out savior's econ and slowing it down with speedy reavers (awesome choice) and taking expos himself and savior taking a lost game and turning it into an elimination fight was also pretty amazing | ||
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
On November 02 2006 03:02 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: No way this is going to happen. No fucking way. yeah, according to silver it's gonna be 3-1 not 3-0... | ||
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
rA at 11, going double nex savior at 7, going 12 hatch at nat pool | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2324 Posts
Savior: Yellow zerg @ 6 Map: Longinus | ||
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Da_PlayerX
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
savior trying to expo at nat at 2 but somehow rA has a probe there, already expecing it he's harassing that expo attempt like crazy, stops him from expoing for a good minute, pretty nice micro making pylons and shit | ||
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Cbreaker
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Luhh
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
savior finally expoing at 2 natural savior making spire already, rA has been able to scout it, looking good for rA so far, scouting, etc. | ||
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diehilde1
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
rA going gateway units, already is +1 attack | ||
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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Ido
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
looks like another long match rA expoing to min only but lings go to harass, rA cancels | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2324 Posts
On November 02 2006 03:12 Cbreaker wrote: so freaking lucky...spotted spire Does not matter, Savior is faking so much, argh. | ||
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
savior going into rA's base, stops min only expo again and goes in to harass rA's nat rA attacking 2 nat with a dozen zeal/2 archon, has obs savior loses drones there but is able to guard it with ling muta | ||
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
its far too late for me to be awake (class in 6 hours) but inability to sleep prevails | ||
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
rA looking to shuttle harass now, savior continuing his muta harass, dodging storms nicely rA expoing at min only rA dt drops into 2 main, takes out a handful of drones | ||
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WhatisProtoss
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
all my favorite players are protoss! yaaay! | ||
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Cbreaker
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WhatisProtoss
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
rA attacks savior nat with 5 sunk 4 lurk but he goes in anyway takes out all sunken there but is forced to pull out with addition of more lurk and lings, savior fights it off savior has guards out, rA loses most of first main army | ||
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
rA trying to defend, but awesome attack by savior, guard ling lurker rA loses min only, kills savior's force at his natural, but lots more cracklings at rA's natural rA forced to make zeals, but savior already has ultra coooking | ||
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uhjoo
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Cbreaker
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uhjoo
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uhjoo
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...REALLY OFF TOPC QUESTION (considering many of my <3 buddies are here right now maybe they can help hehe) a few days ago (maybe up to 2 weeks ago) there was a thread where someone posed a question, and the first several people to respond began to reply with random pictures and completely off topic random crap. it was hilarious anyone care to help me find it? I've been searching/poking around for a bit with no luck | ||
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oldschool guardians! | ||
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Go Ra! | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:21 Day[9] wrote: great reporting but i have a... ...REALLY OFF TOPC QUESTION (considering many of my <3 buddies are here right now maybe they can help hehe) a few days ago (maybe up to 2 weeks ago) there was a thread where someone posed a question, and the first several people to respond began to reply with random pictures and completely off topic random crap. it was hilarious anyone care to help me find it? I've been searching/poking around for a bit with no luck Korean proteam scouting methods <- topic name ;p Or one of the homework help threads (it's been liquiscooped, since then closed). | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:21 Asta wrote: savior is pulling an IntoTheRain oldschool guardians! intotherain was a protoss player... | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:21 Day[9] wrote: check liquiscoop and the closed section (homework threads)great reporting but i have a... ...REALLY OFF TOPC QUESTION (considering many of my <3 buddies are here right now maybe they can help hehe) a few days ago (maybe up to 2 weeks ago) there was a thread where someone posed a question, and the first several people to respond began to reply with random pictures and completely off topic random crap. it was hilarious anyone care to help me find it? I've been searching/poking around for a bit with no luck | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:23 uhjoo wrote: it's not a stream it's TV :-P haha.. owned :D | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:23 FrozenArbiter wrote: Korean proteam scouting methods <- topic name ;p Or one of the homework help threads (it's been liquiscooped, since then closed). All part of the crusade against homework threads | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:23 Storchen wrote: kills some of the suspense of the actual game methinks...i also has a off topic question.. why arent the commentators using PP .. They would see minerals and what thay are buildint etcetc.. wouldnt they? | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:25 HonestTea wrote: All part of the crusade against homework threads  | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:25 Plexa wrote: kills some of the suspense of the actual game methinks... So they should ban savior from MSL then..? | ||
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No, Because Savior WILL lose this time -_- | ||
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daezang vs savior? ra vs savior? suspense eat your heart out i dont see your point -.- On November 02 2006 03:29 AlexanderTheGreat wrote: -.-;;Anytime > Savior | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:27 WhatisProtoss wrote: The scary thing is... Nal_rA executed the last game quite well, yet was run over by Savior fairly quickly. From what I gather he made a fatal mistake attacking Savior's fortified expo and lost a lot of units w/o doing anything significant? I'm not surprised Savior counterattacked so hard... | ||
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1) his mind games with rA--> spire, canceling and going muta, then muta again --> fast guard (each of those decisions cost rA something) 2) rA taking his nice-mixed 2/1 army and going all-in on savior's heavily defended nat but as WhatisProtoss said, one big mistake and you lose against savior | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:27 WhatisProtoss wrote: The scary thing is... Nal_rA executed the last game quite well, yet was run over by Savior fairly quickly. "quite well" just isnt enough for savior... u gotta play the game of your life and if u get unlucky it still might not be enough... im really looking forward to the vod of game 1 to see how ra was able to keep up with savior in that one up to the point the stream tuned in °_° | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:29 Plexa wrote: ?? daezang vs savior? ra vs savior? suspense eat your heart out i dont see your point -.- -.-;; Just being cute ^^. I'd also like to Savior vs Anyitme, but according to Anytime himself despite his recent zerg ownage he has lots of trouble in practice PvZ, but that may be because his teammates knows his style too well. | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:30 uhjoo wrote: 2) rA taking his nice-mixed 2/1 army and going all-in on savior's heavily defended nat yes that attack was useless.. just killed some sunkens and lurkers and he lost his whole army | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:27 WhatisProtoss wrote: The scary thing is... Nal_rA executed the last game quite well, yet was run over by Savior fairly quickly. i agree he did pretty well, but there was some room for improvement he lost two templars in a shuttle to muta harass... one more archon during the first attack at 3 could've turned the game the other way i think. and i'm not sure... does anyone think he should've kept his archons in that attack back? savior targetted them with the sunkens, then mutas mopped up | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:31 uhjoo wrote: btw Carlos Boozer is a heavily underrated fantasy center ARGH I should have totally drafted him instead of Shaq | ||
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Asta
Germany3491 Posts
lol wtf you're right of course. i was thinking of a game where intotherain played some zerg and it looked like this one. dunno how i came up with the idea of rain being zerg. 8[ too early still. | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:33 uhjoo wrote: game 3 starting soon, coincides perfectly with another cup of coffee for me I'm sitting with a latte myself | ||
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Nal_rA: double nex to sair reaver to mass ground later savior: straight up react to rA type style :-P | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:35 uhjoo wrote: Blitz: predict builds and strategies gogo Nal_rA: double nex to sair reaver to mass ground later savior: straight up react to rA type style :-P savior 7-pool... i predict | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:34 HonestTea wrote: ARGH I should have totally drafted him instead of Shaq You probably know this but shaq sucks, he loses you ft% outright unless you're in HtH leagues so he's an autoavoid no matter the cost Boozer boosts your fg% as much as Shaq and probably will outrebound him this year Oh and the game's starting soon | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:35 uhjoo wrote: Blitz: predict builds and strategies gogo Nal_rA: double nex to sair reaver to mass ground later savior: straight up react to rA type style :-P Fast exp, sair reaver, to quick 3rd expo and quick attempt at taking 10 000 gas island! Then carrier and archon! | ||
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On November 02 2006 00:32 Cbreaker wrote: On Blitz I think protoss has a good chance for 2 gate proxy zeal rush due to the narrow ramps, known starting positions, and short rush distance. Knowing rA he will probably try some variant of this. Of course zerg knows this, and may 9 pool or prepare accordingly. | ||
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ra... yeah probably fe | ||
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vs. Scourge + Devourer + Hydra | ||
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in that post i also said FA teach rA a thing or two about pvz | ||
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Yeah man, I been giving rA lessons =.=! I'm really impressed by rA this time around ;p | ||
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rA getting gate now, 1 cannon up | ||
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savior going lair, hydra den | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:37 uhjoo wrote: You probably know this but shaq sucks, he loses you ft% outright unless you're in HtH leagues so he's an autoavoid no matter the cost Boozer boosts your fg% as much as Shaq and probably will outrebound him this year Oh and the game's starting soon Of course. I got him in the sixth round though, second center (behind Duncan... so pretty much giving up on FT% anyway). 그래도 후회. Aww we shoulda done TLnet fantasy NBA! | ||
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i love little micro like that rA has sair out, citadel going up, forge upgrading (i was wrong about sair reaver) savior adding hatch at nat savior mined space at mine wall, lurks out already ling lurk at large ramp in front of rA's main rA going gateway again | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:42 FrozenArbiter wrote: Wow, interesting placement of his pylon, I ALWAYS put it by my gas and assumed that was the natural placement, I wonder why it's placed here o_o Yeah man, I been giving rA lessons =.=! I'm really impressed by rA this time around ;p Yeah. rA has beautiful building placement this MSL | ||
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rA cannoning up the middle left ramp area savior has effectively contained rA's ramp area now, what a play using ling lurk scourge, has caught 2 observers, rA attempting to break out with zeal but is forced to back off rA now trying to expand at 5, sending a mixed zeal/archon force toward savior''s nat | ||
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rA, in response, expos at the expo at 5, also taking expo at 7 this is turning into a diagonally divided game | ||
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savior hive up, sunkening his nat, greater spire almost completed | ||
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this looks decent for rA that decision to expo at 7 after savior expoed at his ramp area was pretty art | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:49 WhatisProtoss wrote: I hate Savior's style. Turtle zerg. -_-;; I hate all turtle zergs !!! But what os worst with savior is that he turtles with perfect timing and just enough to hold and keep an eco advantage | ||
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rA's main getting raped, savior morphs lurks at rA's ramp to delay troops | ||
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come on ra, do some damage | ||
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savior has expoed at island area savior sending mass ling lurker at 7 now rA loses 7 very easily | ||
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rA breaking through slightly, but lurk reinforcements via OL eventually fight it off rA looking very bad now especially because it's savior he's playing not mumyung double ultra cavern up for savior | ||
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2:1 savior | ||
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Savior would be unstoppable | ||
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Sair reaver he can take that expo himself and 3 gas then take island and 5 gas =.= Not professing to know more about blitz than nal_ra, it just seems strange to use mass units on that map since they can't get anywhere. | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:58 HasuZealot wrote: The 3:1 Feeling was right SvP is so IMBALANCED It's not the maps this time I think, Savior hax plain and simple. He prepares counters to everything from experience and guesses before his opponents are finished executing their moves. | ||
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On November 02 2006 04:01 shasin wrote: Somebody stop him, omg! He's already nr1 in kespa rankings, if he wins msl...we'll see him on top for a looooong time, i bet my breakfast on that Nope, if Nada wins OSL he'll pass I think, because OSL is worth a lot more points. | ||
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On November 02 2006 04:01 Byyk wrote: Totaly imba match-up. Toss will never have the ultimate destroyer because of that. Till now all destryer have been terrans. Now it is time to Saviola. That is the reason for supporting him. Nal_Ra is the best but hi is POOR toss. Saviola vs Nada will be awesome one day. Saviola doesnt play, Rijkaard prefers to use Gudjohnsen | ||
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On November 02 2006 03:45 HonestTea wrote: Of course. I got him in the sixth round though, second center (behind Duncan... so pretty much giving up on FT% anyway). 그래도 후회. Aww we shoulda done TLnet fantasy NBA! you can't tank a category! duncan's not as bad as shaq tho, i probably would've gone for like ilgauskas or miller if you have duncan, a combined low 70's % ft from that quality of centers would've been amazing shaq went in the 10th round in my draft :-P i also took marion over lebron with first overall pick :-P | ||
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rA may finally pull out a strange strat on this map, no? | ||
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Eto, Barsa needs you. | ||
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TvZ 10-14 PvZ 7-11 PvT 4-4 | ||
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On November 02 2006 04:04 GoBOXERgogo wrote: Can someone answer me if oov looked this unstoppable in his prime? I wasnt around at that time oov was worse than this to be honest. Savior cheats with skill, oov just hacked out 10x unit numbers. | ||
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savior's eyes are eerily sharklike rA's hairstyle looks just like 25% of girls at korean nightclubs | ||
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rA makes pylon next to gas at nat savior's OL scouting in right direction, going 12 pool gas | ||
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On November 02 2006 04:11 EmilyJieunChoi wrote: lol, asta he had 4 expos to Nal_rA's 4. I don't think Nal_rA had 2/3rds of the map yeah i was thinking that too =/ | ||
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uhjoo
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phew savior making lots of lings, but they're running around to catch rA's scouting probe for some reason rA canceled one of his warping cannons, only 1 up savior runs in with lots of zergling, about 8 make it into rA's main zergling reinforcements come from savior, zerglings attack cannons from both sides, this is GG GG 3:1 savior | ||
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On November 02 2006 04:04 GoBOXERgogo wrote: Can someone answer me if oov looked this unstoppable in his prime? I wasnt around at that time I also think it was worse... He won 3 MSL titles in a row but was also 3rd and won an OSL title in the same time... | ||
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comebackGyunTae
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
i think he was selecting it because it was almost complete to try to hotkey it or something but hit esc instead -_-;; | ||
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On November 02 2006 04:23 uhjoo wrote: honestly that cancel just HAD to be a mistake i think he was selecting it because it was almost complete to try to hotkey it or something but hit esc instead -_-;; No, most likely was not a mistake.... extra minerals are always a bonus... like AnyTime's cancel vs. GoRush. | ||
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On November 02 2006 04:24 WhatisProtoss wrote: No, most likely was not a mistake.... extra minerals are always a bonus... like AnyTime's cancel vs. GoRush. yeah he's a whore for skimping on defence. i'm surprised he made 2 to begin with... =] | ||
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[/QUOTE] Probably not cuz he didn't started a new one immediately,even when he know that Arcadia>>>"one cannon bases" | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
First game epic Second Game Decent. Third game rape. 4th game CRAZY rape. It was pretty good and im so looking forward to Savior vs. Nada. No zerg has a winning record against Nada except Savior. (gorush is tied) Nada is unbeatable right now tvz in his shape (acording to 13-0 vs zerg record) and Savior getting better and better and seemingly looks more impossible to beat. If superfight did this -_-. Okay so who does Savior meet in the final? Silver blah? | ||
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Nal_rA was surprised at the fast spawn + gas, so he built two cannons. However, with his probe, he did not see zerglings being produced, and expansions instead. Thus, the canceling of the cannon came into play. Seconds later, Savior mistakenly showed all his zerglings. Nal_rA was surprised and quickly built 2 more cannons, but it was too late. If Savior had killed off the scout probe earlier, then it would have been an even MORE crushing defeat for rA. | ||
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Even a newb like me understands this concept. | ||
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On November 02 2006 04:17 Resonate wrote: nice strat by savior, HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE TO THAT ZERGLING SHIT TO MAKE MORE CANNONS RA? Well, we won't know for a while if he misclicked or not. But I ment comments like these ^ | ||
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On November 02 2006 04:40 humblegar wrote: I'm amazed at people critisizing Ra for loosing to lings or playing too risky. Even building _one_ cannon he does not need means he is behind. He looses to lings not because he does not fear linngs, but because he has to be ready for the million other things that Savior will throw at him. Even a newb like me understands this concept. On November 02 2006 05:05 humblegar wrote: Well, we won't know for a while if he misclicked or not. But I ment comments like these ^ etc... anyway, i said that cos he's lost to not making enough cannons at his choke before... eg... vs Yellow on R-Point - lost to mass lings vs Savior on Arcadia (last MSL final) lost to about 6-7 early hydra that's all i can remember off the top of my head but i know there are others. i'm just dissapointed that after all the effort to get there he takes such a pointless and unnecessary risk when he's already got a good econ advantage considering his opponent pooled-first and made 6+ lings. | ||
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On November 02 2006 06:00 ChApFoU wrote: At least this serie showed beating SAvior PvZ is doable. If Ra had cheesed 1 game and went sair/reaver on game 3 ( which he does so well btw ) he could've take the win. Too bad he seemed a bit uninspired after the first game. yeah because winning 1 game with the whole map mined out.. then you know just add a cheese here, reaver/sair there and bam MSL champ -_- | ||
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On November 02 2006 06:18 shasin wrote: i miss Reach's PvZ and old school in general his PvZ is pretty bad to be honest. he's never done well in that matchup since island maps stopped being included in starleagues | ||
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On November 02 2006 04:30 WhatisProtoss wrote: It was not a mistake. Like the commentators were saying all along.... Nal_rA was surprised at the fast spawn + gas, so he built two cannons. However, with his probe, he did not see zerglings being produced, and expansions instead. Thus, the canceling of the cannon came into play. Seconds later, Savior mistakenly showed all his zerglings. Nal_rA was surprised and quickly built 2 more cannons, but it was too late. If Savior had killed off the scout probe earlier, then it would have been an even MORE crushing defeat for rA. If you see 9 pool gas you make 2 cannons, I don't care if you see more than 6 lings being produced or not (how are you going to tell anyway, those eggs could be drones or lings). :[ Disappointed rA lost t.t | ||
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Pvz is very hard for protoss. There is no need to refer on subject. With some luck Ra could have won it. He made two errors in two games and he lost the game right there. Maybe Ra should have tryed hardcore zeal rush like Kingdom. But who are we to judge. He did what he thought was the best. But we shouldn`t nor I am trying to discredit Savior. He is one scary monster. Awesome zerg with great micro/macro and strategy. I love him. Savior deserved to take this home. | ||
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except in game 1 with the pathing, but he's always 1 step ahead of what the toss is thinking i don't really agree that rA is just a harasser b/c he's played many pvz where he focuses on center fights and does well it's just that savior is hard to beat zvp cuz he throws so many things at you and he forces you into having no options | ||
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Reach loss to him 1-3 in MSL final rA loss to him 1-3 in last MSL final rA loss to him 1-3 in MSL semi final now There are just no toss can really challenge him. Maybe no terraner as well. As far as I can remeber there is no toss player can win a Final vs Z nowadays. Garimto and Grrr won once long long time ago. Terraner wins almost always in Final against Zerg and Toss win always again Terraner in Final. I am not 100% sure, please correct me if I am wrong. | ||
Last Romantic
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First game such art I want the vod now -.-;; rest of games... something of a letdown. In PvZs, always better to see the P win.... more artsy. Can nobody beat SaviOr? -.-;; | ||
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2324 Posts
On November 02 2006 04:31 Da_PlayerX wrote: but rA refused the third cannon too, he started third cannon but stoped it too... so this is where his mistake is according to me No, no. He did NOT refuse the third cannon. The commentators were curious to what happened as well. And while the probe was scouting, the 2nd cannon was 95% done. And he cancels when he doesn't see many zerglings. But SECONDS later, he sees a large force of lings, and he IMMEDIATELY rebuilds the 2nd cannon. And another probe is lined up below the nexus, ready to build a 3rd cannon... waiting waiting... It took several more seconds for the 3rd one to be built.... Nal_rA is not stupid. SURE, he saw that a 9-pool was being built. But, he also saw TWO simultaneous expansions going down. So, he deduced that money was NOT being spent on zerglings. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On November 02 2006 09:50 WhatisProtoss wrote: No, no. He did NOT refuse the third cannon. The commentators were curious to what happened as well. And while the probe was scouting, the 2nd cannon was 95% done. And he cancels when he doesn't see many zerglings. But SECONDS later, he sees a large force of lings, and he IMMEDIATELY rebuilds the 2nd cannon. And another probe is lined up below the nexus, ready to build a 3rd cannon... waiting waiting... It took several more seconds for the 3rd one to be built.... Nal_rA is not stupid. SURE, he saw that a 9-pool was being built. But, he also saw TWO simultaneous expansions going down. So, he deduced that money was NOT being spent on zerglings. Oh, savior took both his expos at once? Serves me right for not paying attention early game ^_^ | ||
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SCNewb
Canada2210 Posts
...........Savior is just too goodfirst game was awesome | ||
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ChApFoU
France2982 Posts
On November 02 2006 06:15 siro) wrote: yeah because winning 1 game with the whole map mined out.. then you know just add a cheese here, reaver/sair there and bam MSL champ -_- I'm not sayin' this would have been an autowin, I'm just saying this semi shows the skill gap isn't huge as many ppl think. Ra has what it takes to defeat Savior. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I used to bet on Nal_Ra in pvz. When he made his comeback he was on fire here as well, but now.. he has slowed down it would seem. | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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EmilyJieunChoi
China246 Posts
On November 02 2006 09:50 WhatisProtoss wrote: No, no. He did NOT refuse the third cannon. The commentators were curious to what happened as well. And while the probe was scouting, the 2nd cannon was 95% done. And he cancels when he doesn't see many zerglings. But SECONDS later, he sees a large force of lings, and he IMMEDIATELY rebuilds the 2nd cannon. And another probe is lined up below the nexus, ready to build a 3rd cannon... waiting waiting... It took several more seconds for the 3rd one to be built.... Nal_rA is not stupid. SURE, he saw that a 9-pool was being built. But, he also saw TWO simultaneous expansions going down. So, he deduced that money was NOT being spent on zerglings. To be honest, I don't think Nal_rA could have missed the 10 or so zerglings chasing his probe and obviously, he should not have canceled his second cannon. Savior killed his scouting probe with those 10 zerglings and then Nal_rA decided to rebuild his second cannon and third cannon. Those initial 10 zerglings are what went past his cannons to his main. | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2324 Posts
On November 02 2006 11:41 EmilyJieunChoi wrote: To be honest, I don't think Nal_rA could have missed the 10 or so zerglings chasing his probe and obviously, he should not have canceled his second cannon. Savior killed his scouting probe with those 10 zerglings and then Nal_rA decided to rebuild his second cannon and third cannon. Those initial 10 zerglings are what went past his cannons to his main. Savior was hiding them... but did not kill the probe quickly enough. If he had seen them earlier, he would NOT have canceled. | ||
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_Carlodajin_
Peru88 Posts
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2324 Posts
On November 02 2006 12:14 _Carlodajin_ wrote: You see all these 22 pages argument its ok unless some bitch insult someone... What...? I don't understand..... | ||
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
. go savior. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2324 Posts
On November 02 2006 13:35 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Whats the final now ? NaDa vs IPXZERG ? Or is this another league ? Who is in the final ? Enlighten me plz : D MBC StarLeague: Savior (z) vs. Silver (z) OGN StarLeague: NaDa (t) vs. To Be Determined (AnyTime (p) vs. Midas (t)) | ||
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akamufu
Korea (South)321 Posts
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
hope he beats jju and get 3rd place... | ||
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On November 02 2006 08:32 neotoss wrote: Savior is just too strong at moment. Sad to see rA loss to him again. Reach loss to him 1-3 in MSL final rA loss to him 1-3 in last MSL final rA loss to him 1-3 in MSL semi final now There are just no toss can really challenge him. Maybe no terraner as well. As far as I can remeber there is no toss player can win a Final vs Z nowadays. Garimto and Grrr won once long long time ago. Terraner wins almost always in Final against Zerg and Toss win always again Terraner in Final. I am not 100% sure, please correct me if I am wrong. recent protoss OSL winners Kingdom oer nal_rA nal_rA over zeus reach over boxer anytime over boxer looks like pvp, pvt. | ||
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siro)
Australia848 Posts
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lightman
United States731 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On November 02 2006 18:24 Mortality wrote: Savior has a weakness though -- ZvZ. That's why I think he will lose this MSL. Silver is a bit stronger in that match-up. would be gay if silver won this msl =. = | ||
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
On November 02 2006 18:17 lightman wrote: I don't want to start this one up, but man Savior is strating to look like the most powerful zerg ever. He's toying with everyone in whatever maps, unbeatable in Bo5 matches. he started to look that months ago. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Oh god a Silver vs OSL champ Superfight would be GAY GAY GAY. But Savior winning the most MSL's would be GAY GAY GAY too. Argh.. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4097 Posts
On November 03 2006 06:11 SuperJongMan wrote: Get Anytime's ass in the ring with Savior. Oh god a Silver vs OSL champ Superfight would be GAY GAY GAY. But Savior winning the most MSL's would be GAY GAY GAY too. Argh.. No there is better scenario, Silver winning against savior coz savior is not so good ZvZ and Anytime winning Nada, but because it is ZvP silver win against anytime and he get the crown without playing single terran:-)) | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
The game on Blitz was absolute rape, the game on Arcadia was (apparently) a misread [either that or a misclick. Seems to me that there's good evidence it was a misread]. However, game 2 wasn't that bad. Savior had to make some good moves to cancel rA's expo multiple times (which I feel was more of a mistake from rA). If he actually bothered defending, game 2 was certainly winnable. And who knows what coulda happened on Arcadia? rA went nex first vs. pool, COULD have stopped the ling rush cold, but Savior had 2 quick expoes, so he wasn't really in poor shape himself (probably still behind, but not by much). It's really impossible to say what would have happened if he didn't cancel. Edit: WTF, Savior's ZvZ is great. It's just that it depends on so many minute things that are sometimes out of the player's control that it's impossible to be absolutely dominating in the MU. So I guess relative to his ZvT and ZvP, his ZvZ is absolutely terrible, but compared to other pros, it's still really good | ||
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Kacas
Brazil3143 Posts
i wanna see ipx on ogn =/ | ||
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