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humblegar
Norway883 Posts
On November 02 2006 04:17 Resonate wrote: nice strat by savior, HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE TO THAT ZERGLING SHIT TO MAKE MORE CANNONS RA? Well, we won't know for a while if he misclicked or not. But I ment comments like these ^ | ||
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Resonate
United Kingdom8402 Posts
On November 02 2006 04:40 humblegar wrote: I'm amazed at people critisizing Ra for loosing to lings or playing too risky. Even building _one_ cannon he does not need means he is behind. He looses to lings not because he does not fear linngs, but because he has to be ready for the million other things that Savior will throw at him. Even a newb like me understands this concept. On November 02 2006 05:05 humblegar wrote: Well, we won't know for a while if he misclicked or not. But I ment comments like these ^ etc... anyway, i said that cos he's lost to not making enough cannons at his choke before... eg... vs Yellow on R-Point - lost to mass lings vs Savior on Arcadia (last MSL final) lost to about 6-7 early hydra that's all i can remember off the top of my head but i know there are others. i'm just dissapointed that after all the effort to get there he takes such a pointless and unnecessary risk when he's already got a good econ advantage considering his opponent pooled-first and made 6+ lings. | ||
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jcccf
272 Posts
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Nyovne
Netherlands19138 Posts
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ChApFoU
France2983 Posts
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siro)
Australia848 Posts
On November 02 2006 06:00 ChApFoU wrote: At least this serie showed beating SAvior PvZ is doable. If Ra had cheesed 1 game and went sair/reaver on game 3 ( which he does so well btw ) he could've take the win. Too bad he seemed a bit uninspired after the first game. yeah because winning 1 game with the whole map mined out.. then you know just add a cheese here, reaver/sair there and bam MSL champ -_- | ||
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shasin
Romania899 Posts
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Resonate
United Kingdom8402 Posts
On November 02 2006 06:18 shasin wrote: i miss Reach's PvZ and old school in general his PvZ is pretty bad to be honest. he's never done well in that matchup since island maps stopped being included in starleagues | ||
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Musli
Poland5130 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On November 02 2006 04:30 WhatisProtoss wrote: It was not a mistake. Like the commentators were saying all along.... Nal_rA was surprised at the fast spawn + gas, so he built two cannons. However, with his probe, he did not see zerglings being produced, and expansions instead. Thus, the canceling of the cannon came into play. Seconds later, Savior mistakenly showed all his zerglings. Nal_rA was surprised and quickly built 2 more cannons, but it was too late. If Savior had killed off the scout probe earlier, then it would have been an even MORE crushing defeat for rA. If you see 9 pool gas you make 2 cannons, I don't care if you see more than 6 lings being produced or not (how are you going to tell anyway, those eggs could be drones or lings). :[ Disappointed rA lost t.t | ||
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Red_Dragon
Croatia2862 Posts
Pvz is very hard for protoss. There is no need to refer on subject. With some luck Ra could have won it. He made two errors in two games and he lost the game right there. Maybe Ra should have tryed hardcore zeal rush like Kingdom. But who are we to judge. He did what he thought was the best. But we shouldn`t nor I am trying to discredit Savior. He is one scary monster. Awesome zerg with great micro/macro and strategy. I love him. Savior deserved to take this home. | ||
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oddeye
Canada716 Posts
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
except in game 1 with the pathing, but he's always 1 step ahead of what the toss is thinking i don't really agree that rA is just a harasser b/c he's played many pvz where he focuses on center fights and does well it's just that savior is hard to beat zvp cuz he throws so many things at you and he forces you into having no options | ||
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neotoss
China217 Posts
Reach loss to him 1-3 in MSL final rA loss to him 1-3 in last MSL final rA loss to him 1-3 in MSL semi final now There are just no toss can really challenge him. Maybe no terraner as well. As far as I can remeber there is no toss player can win a Final vs Z nowadays. Garimto and Grrr won once long long time ago. Terraner wins almost always in Final against Zerg and Toss win always again Terraner in Final. I am not 100% sure, please correct me if I am wrong. | ||
Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
First game such art I want the vod now -.-;; rest of games... something of a letdown. In PvZs, always better to see the P win.... more artsy. Can nobody beat SaviOr? -.-;; | ||
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On November 02 2006 04:31 Da_PlayerX wrote: but rA refused the third cannon too, he started third cannon but stoped it too... so this is where his mistake is according to me No, no. He did NOT refuse the third cannon. The commentators were curious to what happened as well. And while the probe was scouting, the 2nd cannon was 95% done. And he cancels when he doesn't see many zerglings. But SECONDS later, he sees a large force of lings, and he IMMEDIATELY rebuilds the 2nd cannon. And another probe is lined up below the nexus, ready to build a 3rd cannon... waiting waiting... It took several more seconds for the 3rd one to be built.... Nal_rA is not stupid. SURE, he saw that a 9-pool was being built. But, he also saw TWO simultaneous expansions going down. So, he deduced that money was NOT being spent on zerglings. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On November 02 2006 09:50 WhatisProtoss wrote: No, no. He did NOT refuse the third cannon. The commentators were curious to what happened as well. And while the probe was scouting, the 2nd cannon was 95% done. And he cancels when he doesn't see many zerglings. But SECONDS later, he sees a large force of lings, and he IMMEDIATELY rebuilds the 2nd cannon. And another probe is lined up below the nexus, ready to build a 3rd cannon... waiting waiting... It took several more seconds for the 3rd one to be built.... Nal_rA is not stupid. SURE, he saw that a 9-pool was being built. But, he also saw TWO simultaneous expansions going down. So, he deduced that money was NOT being spent on zerglings. Oh, savior took both his expos at once? Serves me right for not paying attention early game ^_^ | ||
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SCNewb
Canada2210 Posts
 ...........Savior is just too goodfirst game was awesome | ||
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ChApFoU
France2983 Posts
On November 02 2006 06:15 siro) wrote: yeah because winning 1 game with the whole map mined out.. then you know just add a cheese here, reaver/sair there and bam MSL champ -_- I'm not sayin' this would have been an autowin, I'm just saying this semi shows the skill gap isn't huge as many ppl think. Ra has what it takes to defeat Savior. | ||
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