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5/19 OSL Boxer vs ShinHwa predictions? - Page 31
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QuietIdiot
7004 Posts
you deserve this for looking down on your opponent! | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4653 Posts
If Boxer would have won with his builds, people would be praising him (like in game 1 & vs oov in MSL). The fact is, CHEESE is how Boxer play. Terran has a better chance to win playing a standard style on these TvZ imbalance-in-the-ass maps, but again that is not Boxer's typical style. Boxer cheese his way through the OSL and that has brought him many many many victories. In all 3 games, Boxer's strategies were all brillant which unfortunely makes future Zerg victory even more difficult. Today, luck did not favor Boxer. | ||
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
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RivetHead
United States842 Posts
On May 19 2006 19:10 [X]Ken_D wrote: I can't believe the negative comments against Boxer. If Boxer would have won with his builds, people would be praising him (like in game 1 & vs oov in MSL). The fact is, CHEESE is how Boxer play. Terran has a better chance to win playing a standard style on these TvZ imbalance-in-the-ass maps, but again that is not Boxer's typical style. Boxer cheese his way through the OSL and that has brought him many many many victories. In all 3 games, Boxer's strategies were all brillant which unfortunely makes future Zerg victory even more difficult. Today, luck did not favor Boxer. did you watch the games? its pretty obvious that the builds were pretty bad, or boxers use of them in how he reacted to what shinhwa was doing. either or. the second game boxer probably could have have stopped those early stream of lings but he made a mistake and moved his marines, letting some lings get through and kill one or two of them leaving him having defend with scvs, losing a couple in the process and losing even more mining time. it was at that point i thought the game was over. then he does his double fac thing and double comstat thing and i was like, "what the hell are you doing?". i have thought what the hell are you doing about boxer before, and it has usually worked out for the better, but in these games he just came across looking like a dumbass. problem with cheese is that if you perfectly succeeds you look brilliant and if it perfect fails you look like a dipshit. | ||
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poor newb
United States1879 Posts
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MuShu
United States3223 Posts
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poor newb
United States1879 Posts
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HappyManRun
1111 Posts
O M F G Boxer is still the greatest!!! It really is okay, and come to think of it, NOBODY should get 3rd OSL win, NOBODY... because all 2nd OSL winning champions are great, and equally great, why make one greater than the other? So let's all settle down, I don't think boxer repared well but it's not nice to call him arrogant. However, props to Shiwan and he played great. Let's just hope Yellow or Nal_rA takes it and make us feel good... | ||
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HappyManRun
1111 Posts
Yellow: Say Boxer, we lost again eh? Boxer: Yeah, that blows, god dammit I really really want that mouse... Yellow: Aww old pal that's okay... you're still great. Boxer: True, it's all stupid titles, let's just drink up... drink up!... *They toast each other and get drunk* Awww.... ^_^ | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4653 Posts
On May 19 2006 21:27 RivetHead wrote: did you watch the games? its pretty obvious that the builds were pretty bad, or boxers use of them in how he reacted to what shinhwa was doing. either or. the second game boxer probably could have have stopped those early stream of lings but he made a mistake and moved his marines, letting some lings get through and kill one or two of them leaving him having defend with scvs, losing a couple in the process and losing even more mining time. it was at that point i thought the game was over. then he does his double fac thing and double comstat thing and i was like, "what the hell are you doing?". i have thought what the hell are you doing about boxer before, and it has usually worked out for the better, but in these games he just came across looking like a dumbass. problem with cheese is that if you perfectly succeeds you look brilliant and if it perfect fails you look like a dipshit. Game 2, the lings getting in Boxer's base are execution errors, not strategical errors. A few vultures do very well against lings unlike 3 marines. Lurkers on Boxer's cliff was inevitable since Boxer was behind and Shinwa did all-in 1 base lurkers. 1 comstat even with 1 seiged tanks isn't enough to stop 1 base lurkers on his cliff. Having 100 extra minerals doesn't mean anything when there are no way to hit lurkers pounding on Boxer's economy. So yes, I watched all 3 of Boxer vs Shinwa games. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
Now stfu about it forever. Yellow will own Shinwa and win OSL ! | ||
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RivetHead
United States842 Posts
On May 20 2006 01:01 [X]Ken_D wrote: Game 2, the lings getting in Boxer's base are execution errors, not strategical errors. A few vultures do very well against lings unlike 3 marines. Lurkers on Boxer's cliff was inevitable since Boxer was behind and Shinwa did all-in 1 base lurkers. 1 comstat even with 1 seiged tanks isn't enough to stop 1 base lurkers on his cliff. Having 100 extra minerals doesn't mean anything when there are no way to hit lurkers pounding on Boxer's economy. So yes, I watched all 3 of Boxer vs Shinwa games. well i meant to imply that losing the marines were execution errors. i am not sure if boxer was going to build those factories regardless of what happened due to the lings doing that much damage. it was certaintly possible thats what he was going to do, considering he walled. but then again you kind of have to wall on that map. i think he should have been better prepared for what happened. his decisions didnt really work because he was making all of them on the spot pretty much. he knew he might need two scans to get all the lurkers, but the problem i have is the timing. boxer already lost a lot of units, and he wasted even more mining time lifting the cc and planting it. he might have been out 100-150 minerals, including the cost of the comstat. and the comstat before cost another 50. i dont know exactly what to do in the situation, so i am not saying i would have done a better job. maybe the entire problem was execution. i think if boxer just did a better job defending his ramp and was a little more careful in that regard, we wouldnt be having this conversation. at that point of the game, the smallest micro errors could cost the game, which it did. also the third game, i was questioning his decision to move out with his force only leaving a firebat without a medic behind to guard. i know some people mentioned that he did it before vs Shinhwa and shinhwa backed off. its obvious that shinhwa learned from his mistake. i dont mean to say that shinhwa played badly in this series, not at all. the first game couldnt be helped, it was terrible luck and a bad build vs. something he didnt know was coming. no zerg on earth could come back from that. the second game he did exactly what he had to do to win. in fact, i can think of many zergs that would have probably fucked it up. except for maybe julyzerg, most zergs would be scared to try to attack straight up with the zerglings into boxers setup. and most zergs wouldnt have kept up the pressure. boxer didnt lose in a vacuum, but i do believe he did have the advantage this series and he didnt play well under the pressure, which is really out of character for him. i think everyone was suprised by that most of all | ||
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nite
Croatia79 Posts
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RivetHead
United States842 Posts
On May 20 2006 04:22 nite wrote: about the size thing... i guess the similar thing is with zealots, 4 of them fit in a shuttle and yet they're small units. But on the other hand they do look small. I guess lurkers are unique units. i think the zealot 4 in a shuttle thing is due to the fact that they are stronger units than say a marine or zergling, even though its the most basic attack unit of protoss. in general protoss is a "larger" race. i think marines, medics, and firebats get the most bang for your buck in terms of fire power for one shuttle/overloard/dropship. well im not really considering special units like reavers and high templars, because they could be more useless than a zealot or more powerful than 2 or more groups of marines and medics depending on how well they are used and how the enemy reacts to them | ||
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L!MP
Australia2067 Posts
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
You should be happy boxer lost this one,its time for Yellow now to win a starleague. | ||
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Mr.SeXpIsToLs
Germany103 Posts
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Phantom
Canada2151 Posts
On May 20 2006 08:23 Mr.SeXpIsToLs wrote: boxer broke my heart | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On May 20 2006 06:11 coulthard[pR] wrote: Everyone can lose a bo3 for christ sake,and that stuff about boxer retiring make me laugh. You should be happy boxer lost this one,its time for Yellow now to win a starleague. It's dubious that Yellow is good enough, even after a bunch of upsets have rendered his bracket a cakewalk, by starleague standards. | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4681 Posts
On May 20 2006 06:11 coulthard[pR] wrote: Everyone can lose a bo3 for christ sake,and that stuff about boxer retiring make me laugh. You should be happy boxer lost this one,its time for Yellow now to win a starleague. Yes, Yellow will win the Starleague... Yellow[Name] I mean! Either him or Shinhwa, it's going to be the first ZvZ finals (which is funny with all the talk of these maps being SO imbalanced for Z). | ||
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