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On May 26 2012 14:31 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 26 2012 14:29 Obelisco wrote:On May 26 2012 14:26 Turbovolver wrote:On May 26 2012 14:25 Zariel wrote:
From my own experience as a protoss player, the ONLY counter to a broodlord late game composition is landing an archon toilet.
When broodlords reach a critical mass, it becomes an uphill battle if you decide to use blink stalkers to pick them off. What about mass air? Does that have a chance? "You have to land a perfect spell combo" should never be the thing which makes a matchup balanced. It makes a whole fight decided by one move, in 1-2 key seconds. Horrible for spectators =( That is one of the most complains about ZvP really, but at the same time there is no other way to fight against BL/infestor, hopefully Hots will fix that. Air doesnt work because of so many infestors. The defensive Mass Recall style Ace showed ran circles around it,. Check out those VODs. Anyway, TvP on Ohana, now. For some reason, I expect cheese. you're a guardian now
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On May 26 2012 14:32 Jumbled wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:26 Turbovolver wrote:On May 26 2012 14:25 Zariel wrote:
From my own experience as a protoss player, the ONLY counter to a broodlord late game composition is landing an archon toilet.
When broodlords reach a critical mass, it becomes an uphill battle if you decide to use blink stalkers to pick them off. What about mass air? Does that have a chance? "You have to land a perfect spell combo" should never be the thing which makes a matchup balanced. It makes a whole fight decided by one move, in 1-2 key seconds. Horrible for spectators =( Yeah, that part of the current ZvP styles suck. However, as people have said, Ace showed a really interesting PvZ style yesterday with constant harass to wear down a broodlord zerg. Large numbers of void rays are quite powerful in PvZ, but they can get hammered by infestors casting fungal growth. Maybe a BW pro with good spreading and feedbacks could make it work though.
Theory crafting is good but when you have to take in to account a lot of millions thing to do when you are playing starcraft executing all these counters on the fly when you are macroing and engaging at the same time is going to be hard.
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On May 26 2012 14:33 baubo wrote:
I suck at SC2, but wasn't zero using the spines to prevent archon toilet? If you have broodlords over spines, then the archons shouldn't be able to get in, right?
I know people keep saying you need Void Rays against late game zerg. But from the few long PvZs I've seen, protosses never try that.
Void rays with that number of infestors and corruptors already on the field is dead supply. It's all about abusing the low mobility of the zerg army and ultimately, the archon toilet
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On May 26 2012 14:34 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:32 Jumbled wrote:On May 26 2012 14:26 Turbovolver wrote:On May 26 2012 14:25 Zariel wrote:
From my own experience as a protoss player, the ONLY counter to a broodlord late game composition is landing an archon toilet.
When broodlords reach a critical mass, it becomes an uphill battle if you decide to use blink stalkers to pick them off. What about mass air? Does that have a chance? "You have to land a perfect spell combo" should never be the thing which makes a matchup balanced. It makes a whole fight decided by one move, in 1-2 key seconds. Horrible for spectators =( Yeah, that part of the current ZvP styles suck. However, as people have said, Ace showed a really interesting PvZ style yesterday with constant harass to wear down a broodlord zerg. Large numbers of void rays are quite powerful in PvZ, but they can get hammered by infestors casting fungal growth. Maybe a BW pro with good spreading and feedbacks could make it work though. Theory crafting is good but when you have to take in to account a lot of millions thing to do when you are playing starcraft executing all these counters on the fly when you are macroing and engaging at the same time is going to be hard.
It's been used already... By a SC2 player that should have less apm than BW players. So it's entirely possible.
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On May 26 2012 14:33 baubo wrote:
I suck at SC2, but wasn't zero using the spines to prevent archon toilet? If you have broodlords over spines, then the archons shouldn't be able to get in, right?
I know people keep saying you need Void Rays against late game zerg. But from the few long PvZs I've seen, protosses never try that.
Yes but spine crawlers deal a lot of Dps against stalkers, so stalkers can not blink under the broodlords to kill them. Void Rays are never used because of infestors, if u stack a lot of void rays you will just get fungaled to death, prob with a good spread you will still get killedd back by infested terrans + fungal + corruptors, plus they are so gas heavy.
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Wouldn't it be nice if hydra's didn't completely suck? I only see them ever made when a zerg is struggling against prolonged 2-stargate harassment.
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Just tuned in.
Did I miss something? Reality can play in both sets?
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On May 26 2012 14:36 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:34 Sawamura wrote:On May 26 2012 14:32 Jumbled wrote:On May 26 2012 14:26 Turbovolver wrote:On May 26 2012 14:25 Zariel wrote:
From my own experience as a protoss player, the ONLY counter to a broodlord late game composition is landing an archon toilet.
When broodlords reach a critical mass, it becomes an uphill battle if you decide to use blink stalkers to pick them off. What about mass air? Does that have a chance? "You have to land a perfect spell combo" should never be the thing which makes a matchup balanced. It makes a whole fight decided by one move, in 1-2 key seconds. Horrible for spectators =( Yeah, that part of the current ZvP styles suck. However, as people have said, Ace showed a really interesting PvZ style yesterday with constant harass to wear down a broodlord zerg. Large numbers of void rays are quite powerful in PvZ, but they can get hammered by infestors casting fungal growth. Maybe a BW pro with good spreading and feedbacks could make it work though. Theory crafting is good but when you have to take in to account a lot of millions thing to do when you are playing starcraft executing all these counters on the fly when you are macroing and engaging at the same time is going to be hard. It's been used already... By a SC2 player that should have less apm than BW players. So it's entirely possible.
Who ?
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Just have a question really quick.
Got my wisdom teeth pulled out last week, should I be good to drink sodas now?
And this looks like a two players map, do I smell cheese?
Free left his booth?
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On May 26 2012 14:34 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:32 Jumbled wrote:On May 26 2012 14:26 Turbovolver wrote:On May 26 2012 14:25 Zariel wrote:
From my own experience as a protoss player, the ONLY counter to a broodlord late game composition is landing an archon toilet.
When broodlords reach a critical mass, it becomes an uphill battle if you decide to use blink stalkers to pick them off. What about mass air? Does that have a chance? "You have to land a perfect spell combo" should never be the thing which makes a matchup balanced. It makes a whole fight decided by one move, in 1-2 key seconds. Horrible for spectators =( Yeah, that part of the current ZvP styles suck. However, as people have said, Ace showed a really interesting PvZ style yesterday with constant harass to wear down a broodlord zerg. Large numbers of void rays are quite powerful in PvZ, but they can get hammered by infestors casting fungal growth. Maybe a BW pro with good spreading and feedbacks could make it work though. Theory crafting is good but when you have to take in to account a lot of millions thing to do when you are playing starcraft executing all these counters on the fly when you are macroing and engaging at the same time is going to be hard.
That's more or less what I'm saying. Pro games to date have shown void rays beating lots of zerg comps, but losing once there are infestors in decent numbers. In theory there might be ways around it with micro, but we haven't seen anthing like that yet.
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On May 26 2012 14:36 Nazza wrote:
Just tuned in.
Did I miss something? Reality can play in both sets?
This is ace, it doesn't count, but you can't play aces consecutively
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On May 26 2012 14:36 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:36 Veldril wrote:On May 26 2012 14:34 Sawamura wrote:On May 26 2012 14:32 Jumbled wrote:On May 26 2012 14:26 Turbovolver wrote:On May 26 2012 14:25 Zariel wrote:
From my own experience as a protoss player, the ONLY counter to a broodlord late game composition is landing an archon toilet.
When broodlords reach a critical mass, it becomes an uphill battle if you decide to use blink stalkers to pick them off. What about mass air? Does that have a chance? "You have to land a perfect spell combo" should never be the thing which makes a matchup balanced. It makes a whole fight decided by one move, in 1-2 key seconds. Horrible for spectators =( Yeah, that part of the current ZvP styles suck. However, as people have said, Ace showed a really interesting PvZ style yesterday with constant harass to wear down a broodlord zerg. Large numbers of void rays are quite powerful in PvZ, but they can get hammered by infestors casting fungal growth. Maybe a BW pro with good spreading and feedbacks could make it work though. Theory crafting is good but when you have to take in to account a lot of millions thing to do when you are playing starcraft executing all these counters on the fly when you are macroing and engaging at the same time is going to be hard. It's been used already... By a SC2 player that should have less apm than BW players. So it's entirely possible. Who ?
ST_Ace, against BBoongBBoongPrime last night (yesterday) in GSL Up & Down match.
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On May 26 2012 14:36 X10A wrote:
Just have a question really quick.
Got my wisdom teeth pulled out last week, should I be good to drink sodas now?
And this looks like a two players map, do I smell cheese?
Free left his booth?
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/archive/t-462089.html
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On May 26 2012 14:36 X10A wrote:
Just have a question really quick.
Got my wisdom teeth pulled out last week, should I be good to drink sodas now?
And this looks like a two players map, do I smell cheese?
Free left his booth?
The only thing you have to do is use that little squirter thing they gave you and rinse your wounds will salt water frequently (not hourly, just often enough).
I never did any they healed anyway.
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On May 26 2012 14:38 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:36 Sawamura wrote:On May 26 2012 14:36 Veldril wrote:On May 26 2012 14:34 Sawamura wrote:On May 26 2012 14:32 Jumbled wrote:On May 26 2012 14:26 Turbovolver wrote:On May 26 2012 14:25 Zariel wrote:
From my own experience as a protoss player, the ONLY counter to a broodlord late game composition is landing an archon toilet.
When broodlords reach a critical mass, it becomes an uphill battle if you decide to use blink stalkers to pick them off. What about mass air? Does that have a chance? "You have to land a perfect spell combo" should never be the thing which makes a matchup balanced. It makes a whole fight decided by one move, in 1-2 key seconds. Horrible for spectators =( Yeah, that part of the current ZvP styles suck. However, as people have said, Ace showed a really interesting PvZ style yesterday with constant harass to wear down a broodlord zerg. Large numbers of void rays are quite powerful in PvZ, but they can get hammered by infestors casting fungal growth. Maybe a BW pro with good spreading and feedbacks could make it work though. Theory crafting is good but when you have to take in to account a lot of millions thing to do when you are playing starcraft executing all these counters on the fly when you are macroing and engaging at the same time is going to be hard. It's been used already... By a SC2 player that should have less apm than BW players. So it's entirely possible. Who ? ST_Ace, against BBoongBBoongPrime last night (yesterday) in Up & Down match.
He basically abused mothership recall only right ?
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Thanks guys! Uh I didn't get one, I'll just rinse with warm water and salt
Free back in booth now
I think the delays are over
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On May 26 2012 14:36 X10A wrote:
Just have a question really quick.
Got my wisdom teeth pulled out last week, should I be good to drink sodas now?
And this looks like a two players map, do I smell cheese?
Free left his booth?
I wouldn't suggest it... but if it isn't hurting you can always try.
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On May 26 2012 14:37 X10A wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:36 Nazza wrote:
Just tuned in.
Did I miss something? Reality can play in both sets? This is ace, it doesn't count, but you can't play aces consecutively
I thought this was 6th set?
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On May 26 2012 14:35 Ghoststrikes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:33 baubo wrote:
I suck at SC2, but wasn't zero using the spines to prevent archon toilet? If you have broodlords over spines, then the archons shouldn't be able to get in, right?
I know people keep saying you need Void Rays against late game zerg. But from the few long PvZs I've seen, protosses never try that. Void rays with that number of infestors and corruptors already on the field is dead supply. It's all about abusing the low mobility of the zerg army and ultimately, the archon toilet
It look quite hard to harass late game zerg. I mean, creep makes reinforcement easy, and slow ass storms shouldn't be that effective against a zerg with fast reaction time.
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On May 26 2012 14:39 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:38 Veldril wrote:On May 26 2012 14:36 Sawamura wrote:On May 26 2012 14:36 Veldril wrote:On May 26 2012 14:34 Sawamura wrote:On May 26 2012 14:32 Jumbled wrote:On May 26 2012 14:26 Turbovolver wrote:On May 26 2012 14:25 Zariel wrote:
From my own experience as a protoss player, the ONLY counter to a broodlord late game composition is landing an archon toilet.
When broodlords reach a critical mass, it becomes an uphill battle if you decide to use blink stalkers to pick them off. What about mass air? Does that have a chance? "You have to land a perfect spell combo" should never be the thing which makes a matchup balanced. It makes a whole fight decided by one move, in 1-2 key seconds. Horrible for spectators =( Yeah, that part of the current ZvP styles suck. However, as people have said, Ace showed a really interesting PvZ style yesterday with constant harass to wear down a broodlord zerg. Large numbers of void rays are quite powerful in PvZ, but they can get hammered by infestors casting fungal growth. Maybe a BW pro with good spreading and feedbacks could make it work though. Theory crafting is good but when you have to take in to account a lot of millions thing to do when you are playing starcraft executing all these counters on the fly when you are macroing and engaging at the same time is going to be hard. It's been used already... By a SC2 player that should have less apm than BW players. So it's entirely possible. Who ? ST_Ace, against BBoongBBoongPrime last night (yesterday) in Up & Down match. He basically abused mothership recall only right ?
He used a lot of warp prism too for HT drops/ zealot warpins and overall harassment in multiple locations. Very good against such an immobile army
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