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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10347 Posts
May 26 2012 05:41 GMT
#461
On May 26 2012 14:39 X10A wrote:
Thanks guys! Uh I didn't get one, I'll just rinse with warm water and salt
Free back in booth now
I think the delays are over

Well mine were impacted and weren't even near breaching the gums, so I had some deep wounds. Pleasant.
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
roymarthyup
Profile Joined April 2010
1442 Posts
May 26 2012 05:41 GMT
#462
On May 26 2012 14:37 Jumbled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 14:34 Sawamura wrote:
On May 26 2012 14:32 Jumbled wrote:
On May 26 2012 14:26 Turbovolver wrote:
On May 26 2012 14:25 Zariel wrote:
From my own experience as a protoss player, the ONLY counter to a broodlord late game composition is landing an archon toilet.

When broodlords reach a critical mass, it becomes an uphill battle if you decide to use blink stalkers to pick them off.

What about mass air? Does that have a chance?

"You have to land a perfect spell combo" should never be the thing which makes a matchup balanced. It makes a whole fight decided by one move, in 1-2 key seconds. Horrible for spectators =(

Yeah, that part of the current ZvP styles suck. However, as people have said, Ace showed a really interesting PvZ style yesterday with constant harass to wear down a broodlord zerg.

Large numbers of void rays are quite powerful in PvZ, but they can get hammered by infestors casting fungal growth. Maybe a BW pro with good spreading and feedbacks could make it work though.


Theory crafting is good but when you have to take in to account a lot of millions thing to do when you are playing starcraft executing all these counters on the fly when you are macroing and engaging at the same time is going to be hard.

That's more or less what I'm saying. Pro games to date have shown void rays beating lots of zerg comps, but losing once there are infestors in decent numbers. In theory there might be ways around it with micro, but we haven't seen anthing like that yet.



as a high master protoss i can tell you voidrays absolutely do work however thats in like a 9base vs 9base scenario

look at zero he had like 7 bases and until the game was over only like 700 gas banked


as toss to do a voidray switch u gotta make like 6-7 stargates at 150gas a piece to match zergs macro at any decent rate and then start massing voids and u probably want air upgrades sooner than later

anyway mass voidrays DO work but just pure cost mechanics mean no game ever will reasonably *reach* that point

m18 massed voidrays and beat a zerg in the first day of proleague but the zerg just didnt know how to counter that "straight into voidrays" style where m18 just went straight into voids instead of tech switching into them lategame and theres extreme weaknesses in doing that wont even bother listing them
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
May 26 2012 05:41 GMT
#463
On May 26 2012 14:40 Nazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 14:37 X10A wrote:
On May 26 2012 14:36 Nazza wrote:
Just tuned in.

Did I miss something? Reality can play in both sets?

This is ace, it doesn't count, but you can't play aces consecutively


I thought this was 6th set?

2-1 Khan BW
2-0 Stars scToo
Need ace to decide

Blue toss 11 oclock Free
Red terran 5 oclock Reality
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
May 26 2012 05:41 GMT
#464
It's got to mess with your head if you play in the BW set and then have to come back out for SC2 the same day. Don't know how players would prepare for that.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10347 Posts
May 26 2012 05:41 GMT
#465
I also dislike forced cross-position maps.
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
Ellibereth
Profile Joined August 2010
United States66 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-26 05:42:40
May 26 2012 05:41 GMT
#466
oooh no ffe

EDIT: oops thought it was pvz >.>
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
May 26 2012 05:41 GMT
#467
On May 26 2012 14:39 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 14:38 Veldril wrote:
On May 26 2012 14:36 Sawamura wrote:
On May 26 2012 14:36 Veldril wrote:
On May 26 2012 14:34 Sawamura wrote:
On May 26 2012 14:32 Jumbled wrote:
On May 26 2012 14:26 Turbovolver wrote:
On May 26 2012 14:25 Zariel wrote:
From my own experience as a protoss player, the ONLY counter to a broodlord late game composition is landing an archon toilet.

When broodlords reach a critical mass, it becomes an uphill battle if you decide to use blink stalkers to pick them off.

What about mass air? Does that have a chance?

"You have to land a perfect spell combo" should never be the thing which makes a matchup balanced. It makes a whole fight decided by one move, in 1-2 key seconds. Horrible for spectators =(

Yeah, that part of the current ZvP styles suck. However, as people have said, Ace showed a really interesting PvZ style yesterday with constant harass to wear down a broodlord zerg.

Large numbers of void rays are quite powerful in PvZ, but they can get hammered by infestors casting fungal growth. Maybe a BW pro with good spreading and feedbacks could make it work though.


Theory crafting is good but when you have to take in to account a lot of millions thing to do when you are playing starcraft executing all these counters on the fly when you are macroing and engaging at the same time is going to be hard.


It's been used already... By a SC2 player that should have less apm than BW players. So it's entirely possible.


Who ?


ST_Ace, against BBoongBBoongPrime last night (yesterday) in Up & Down match.


He basically abused mothership recall only right ?


He abused both Warp Prism for Drop/Warp in and then recall back the base, while dropping another Zerg's base at the same time.
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
May 26 2012 05:42 GMT
#468
Proxy rax!
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
May 26 2012 05:42 GMT
#469
On May 26 2012 14:39 X10A wrote:
Thanks guys! Uh I didn't get one, I'll just rinse with warm water and salt
Free back in booth now
I think the delays are over

Whatever you do... DO NOT use a straw though or you are in for a world of pain.
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
May 26 2012 05:43 GMT
#470
Proxy rax from Reality, at the ~9 oclock
Another rax in the main, and the CC is upgrading
Gate, gate, core
Probe scouts the terran main
Free goign to skip on the zealot?
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
May 26 2012 05:43 GMT
#471
Is reality the only guy to win scToo TvP?
Nazza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1654 Posts
May 26 2012 05:43 GMT
#472
On May 26 2012 14:41 Jumbled wrote:
It's got to mess with your head if you play in the BW set and then have to come back out for SC2 the same day. Don't know how players would prepare for that.


Apparently they solve this problem by cheesing.

I expect an epic cheese Reality vs JD style .
No one ever remembers second place, eh? eh? GIVE ME COMMAND
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
May 26 2012 05:43 GMT
#473
Double proxy rax. This'll be a short game.
Renkaoru
Profile Joined October 2010
390 Posts
May 26 2012 05:43 GMT
#474
It's May now but January sure is t-rollin.
God is in His heaven. All is right with the world.
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-26 05:45:23
May 26 2012 05:44 GMT
#475
On May 26 2012 14:43 Nazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 14:41 Jumbled wrote:
It's got to mess with your head if you play in the BW set and then have to come back out for SC2 the same day. Don't know how players would prepare for that.


Apparently they solve this problem by cheesing.

I expect an epic cheese Reality vs JD style .

Fire vultures, wraiths that are 10x better ground but have no aa and scvs that are less buffed than they were 12 years ago
Reality cheese
Reality going to all in
Time warping another dtGoon and adding two gates
Nexus is still warping in at his nat
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10347 Posts
May 26 2012 05:44 GMT
#476
LAME
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
Darion
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada265 Posts
May 26 2012 05:45 GMT
#477
On May 26 2012 14:41 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
I also dislike forced cross-position maps.


Ohana is a 2 player map.

Entombed Valley is NOT forced cross spawns, however it does disable horizontal spawns. So you can get either cross spawn or vertical spawn.
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
May 26 2012 05:45 GMT
#478
He's dead. he needed to cancel that nexus and get a sentry out as soon as he saw the cheese coming.
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
May 26 2012 05:45 GMT
#479
On May 26 2012 14:32 Turbovolver wrote:
I wasn't trying to start a balance discussion, because I really am not good enough at the game to know that stuff.

I'm just trying to feel out if I should keep spectating this game or not.

It feels like having moving "static" defense lets you abuse the food cap limit a terrible degree, as Zero did that game.


Well you also have to be aware that the Spinecrawlers are unable to attack while they're uprooted, take quite a few seconds to burrow, and they also move very very slowly so what you saw isn't "the usual" at all.

If the Protoss had seen that he was moving the Spinecrawlers under the Broodlords WITHOUT zerglings to function as a meat shield, he could have gone in and absolutely DECIMATED that army while it was moving.

Alternatively, if the Mothership was out earlier, a Vortex while that army was moving would have also resulted in a decimated Zerg army. More High Templars and Psi Storm would also have destroyed that composition because they are 100% unable to move, and it should have been very easy to flank that forward position.

tl;dr: That Zerg composition is not infallible and there were several things Stork could have done to win.
KT FlaSh FOREVER
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
May 26 2012 05:46 GMT
#480
All the dtGoons are low or dying
Manner yellow scv, thats cute
Artosis pylon powering both gates, why don't you just take it out
Free is dead
One last dtGoon and its over
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
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