On August 09 2011 23:20 TwoToneTerran wrote: That's not what I'm saying. He specifically said he's sure Stats would lose to any SKTzerg, and the insinuation is laughable considering he just beat 2 zergs who are much, much better in these very playoffs. You should never be sure that anyone is going to win.
Much better in.. ZvT? Neither of those two wins were straight-up victories, Stats got pretty lucky both of those games that Hydra and Zero decided to play greedy/retarded (Zero scouting the 4gateways, only putting one sunken.. cmon). SKTZergs are much less inclined to roll over and die to the first Zealot timing, and it should be well known by now that SKTZergs have some of the best ZvP around and are the favorite against almost any Protoss not named Bisu.
Every single one of these things is false besides calling Zero and Hydra greedy -- every zerg has been greedy or cheesey this year, it seems. Atleast, besides the zergs that you (the general you) root for whenever they win. SKTZergs are not the favorite against every non-Bisu protoss -- what you just said is a baffling statement and I couldn't disagree more.
And lol at Stats not playing straight up. Neither of those games were far enough deviations to consider them non-standard. Otherwise Bisu has never played standard this entire year.
Really? I mean seriously, the game vs Zero was Stats going 4gate speedlot ALLIN, and getting incredibly lucky that Zero decides to think only 1 sunken is enough to defend his third against the masses of speedlots, even after scouting the gateway count. Other game I suppose was a standard-ish build by Stats, but Hydra thinking that only one Sunken would protect the natural that game was a retardedly greedy mistake that Stats punished, which made the rest of the game a simple formality. Those games didn't prove jack shit about Stats' ability to play a PvZ other than not losing an enormous advantage when he got one.
BTW, gotta love your generalizations about my views. And you may think that SKTZergs aren't favorites against almost any non-Bisu Protoss (my special exceptions would include CJ tosses, possibly Stork and maybe Kal/free on a good day), but statistics say otherwise. Anyone who has been watching ZvPs lately would favor the SKTZergs over Stats, especially with the current metagame trends.
Do you honestly expect soO and s2 to beat Stats? Really?
To be perfectly honest, without any form of bias or trashtalking.
Seems that skt1 has forgotten that in the winner league formal they have gotten all KILLED by Kim dae yob it's time to recall the defeats by him again and I can put my whole money on him that stats will not falter to any zerg, protoss or terran bring it on .
On August 15 2011 14:26 Sawamura wrote: Seems that skt1 has forgotten that in the winner league formal they have gotten all KILLED by Kim dae yob it's time to recall the defeats by him again and I can put my whole money on him that stats will not falter to any zerg, protoss or terran bring it on .
you guys also almost got all killed by s2. in the finals no less
On August 15 2011 14:26 Sawamura wrote: Seems that skt1 has forgotten that in the winner league formal they have gotten all KILLED by Kim dae yob it's time to recall the defeats by him again and I can put my whole money on him that stats will not falter to any zerg, protoss or terran bring it on .
You guys really like overhyping Stats. I said it before, I'll say it again: SKT deserves nothing but shame for getting AK'd by a player the caliber of Stats. That might have been the worst part of their mediocre run in Round 4 of WL.
On August 15 2011 14:26 Sawamura wrote: Seems that skt1 has forgotten that in the winner league formal they have gotten all KILLED by Kim dae yob it's time to recall the defeats by him again and I can put my whole money on him that stats will not falter to any zerg, protoss or terran bring it on .
You guys really like overhyping Stats. I said it before, I'll say it again: SKT deserves nothing but shame for getting AK'd by a player the caliber of Stats. That might have been the worst part of their mediocre run in Round 4 of WL.
Stats has always been a player that kt can be depended upon he's really a clutch player when the team is in trouble I have no doubt he will take one game from you guys in the proleague final and i am not overhyping I am just a fanboy that trust that his player will perform well just like you who believe in best in taking out the ultimate weapon .
Personaly I think that delayed finals is better KT, cos they have time to prepare, and SKT can simply over-practise. So SKT have less of 1-place finisher benefits than usual.
What do you think?
Poll: Who have more advantage due to postponing finals?
KT Rolster (18)
64%
Both/None (6)
21%
SK Telecom T1 (4)
14%
28 total votes
Your vote: Who have more advantage due to postponing finals?
(Vote): SK Telecom T1 (Vote): KT Rolster (Vote): Both/None
On August 15 2011 14:26 Sawamura wrote: Seems that skt1 has forgotten that in the winner league formal they have gotten all KILLED by Kim dae yob it's time to recall the defeats by him again and I can put my whole money on him that stats will not falter to any zerg, protoss or terran bring it on .
You guys really like overhyping Stats. I said it before, I'll say it again: SKT deserves nothing but shame for getting AK'd by a player the caliber of Stats. That might have been the worst part of their mediocre run in Round 4 of WL.
What calibre is Stats? He's the 4th best player in proleague and very good to solid in all matchups. It's not like it was some fluke considering he all killed SKT and Woongjin back to back. Only the big 3 are currently "better" to get all killed by.
I think stats is a player who can win against lower tier players, but unfortunately for him SKT's lower tier layers are zerg, which he is bad at playing against. I would say he is a favorite only against sun and best.
On August 15 2011 14:26 Sawamura wrote: Seems that skt1 has forgotten that in the winner league formal they have gotten all KILLED by Kim dae yob it's time to recall the defeats by him again and I can put my whole money on him that stats will not falter to any zerg, protoss or terran bring it on .
You guys really like overhyping Stats. I said it before, I'll say it again: SKT deserves nothing but shame for getting AK'd by a player the caliber of Stats. That might have been the worst part of their mediocre run in Round 4 of WL.
What calibre is Stats? He's the 4th best player in proleague and very good to solid in all matchups. It's not like it was some fluke considering he all killed SKT and Woongjin back to back. Only the big 3 are currently "better" to get all killed by.
Wow you really think that Stats is better than Zero or Hydra? This season I don`t think that he was better even then Bogus or Light. Sure,Stats can win against anyone,but the problem is he can also lose against anyone.
On August 16 2011 00:43 hacklebeast wrote: You are in the minority when you say stats is the 4th best player in proleauge. he is a little above mediocre.
I think stats is a player who can win against lower tier players, but unfortunately for him SKT's lower tier layers are zerg, which he is bad at playing against. I would say he is a favorite only against sun and best.
Those statistics exclude the 2 WL rounds. But I guess that's the point, since Stats' overall winrate was inflated by his all-kills in WL.
oh, I just realised Jaehoon has the second best protoss record in the regular PL format. <3
On August 16 2011 00:43 hacklebeast wrote: You are in the minority when you say stats is the 4th best player in proleauge. he is a little above mediocre.
I think stats is a player who can win against lower tier players, but unfortunately for him SKT's lower tier layers are zerg, which he is bad at playing against. I would say he is a favorite only against sun and best.
Those statistics exclude the 2 WL rounds. But I guess that's the point, since Stats' overall winrate was inflated by his all-kills in WL.
oh, I just realised Jaehoon has the second best protoss record in the regular PL format. <3
How does WL inflate wins? Are they somehow illegitimate? Take away Bisu's all kills, everyone! WL does a pretty good job of showing how talented a player is. I think the main difference is you can only prepare so much for WL given its erratic nature, unlike SPL, but it still shows an enormous amount of ability.
Stats had the fourth most wins in proleague, even if you want to put Zero and Hydra over him (Who both had very up and down seasons and it's why they had less wins, but you guys don't remember that because they got hot last month). He's played really really well for the whole year and people suddenly think he's mediocre because he had a vZ losing streak that he recently overcame.
On August 15 2011 14:26 Sawamura wrote: Seems that skt1 has forgotten that in the winner league formal they have gotten all KILLED by Kim dae yob it's time to recall the defeats by him again and I can put my whole money on him that stats will not falter to any zerg, protoss or terran bring it on .
You guys really like overhyping Stats. I said it before, I'll say it again: SKT deserves nothing but shame for getting AK'd by a player the caliber of Stats. That might have been the worst part of their mediocre run in Round 4 of WL.
What calibre is Stats? He's the 4th best player in proleague and very good to solid in all matchups. It's not like it was some fluke considering he all killed SKT and Woongjin back to back. Only the big 3 are currently "better" to get all killed by.
Wow you really think that Stats is better than Zero or Hydra? This season I don`t think that he was better even then Bogus or Light. Sure,Stats can win against anyone,but the problem is he can also lose against anyone.
Yeah, I'd take Stats over Zero and Hydra considering the reason KT is in the finals is because he beat both of them. Maybe in the longrun you take them because zerg ace + starleague contender, but in proleague the difference is much smaller. Bogus has become very good very quickly but obviously did not have the proleague season Stats did.
On August 16 2011 00:43 hacklebeast wrote: You are in the minority when you say stats is the 4th best player in proleauge. he is a little above mediocre.
I think stats is a player who can win against lower tier players, but unfortunately for him SKT's lower tier layers are zerg, which he is bad at playing against. I would say he is a favorite only against sun and best.
Those statistics exclude the 2 WL rounds. But I guess that's the point, since Stats' overall winrate was inflated by his all-kills in WL.
oh, I just realised Jaehoon has the second best protoss record in the regular PL format. <3
How does WL inflate wins? Are they somehow illegitimate? Take away Bisu's all kills, everyone! WL does a pretty good job of showing how talented a player is. I think the main difference is you can only prepare so much for WL given its erratic nature, unlike SPL, but it still shows an enormous amount of ability.
Stats had the fourth most wins in proleague, even if you want to put Zero and Hydra over him (Who both had very up and down seasons and it's why they had less wins, but you guys don't remember that because they got hot last month). He's played really really well for the whole year and people suddenly think he's mediocre because he had a vZ losing streak that he recently overcame.
Or stats was mediocre all year but some people think he is playing really really well because of an uncharacteristically good round 4.
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