[SPL] Grand Finals: SK Telecom T1 vs KT Rolster - Page 64

On August 09 2011 22:15 PineappleLumpsToss wrote:


Flash > everybody in a BoX atm, but IMO Flash vs BeSt is 50/50 in a one-off. BeSt has won their last 2 PL matches, and 3 of their last 4. Flash is a champion, but those results have to be playing on his mind a little. In a straight-up game I can't see Bisu or Fanta beating Flash, though I trust Coach Park has prepared a strategic option (as an alternative to BeSt).

Stats is playing well atm, but I'd still give Bisu a 50/50 against him. Stats would be favoured against BeSt, but I'd be happy to see Fanta v Stats as a SKT fan (which is what you're alluding to ofc).

Agree with the Hoejja comment (who would've thought that 3 months ago).

Mostly agree with your comments re Action, though Bisu definitely goes in as more than 50/50. Action has pushed Bisu more than most recently, but Bisu found a way to win and I'd expect him to do so again.

On August 10 2011 06:55 TwoToneTerran wrote:
That game was almost exclusively Action showing that he might be the very worst midgame player of any a-team player. It was a needed win, but it was far from Free showing his flashes of brilliance.

On August 10 2011 05:03 ffreakk wrote:


I dont know where is the "fight" you are seeing. All i see is a one-sided massacre, SKT fans crushing KT fans left and right. Sure, a few stalwart defenders of the Evil KT Kingdom (like TTT, or example) are still fighting to their last breath, but they too, realise their Kingdom's inevitable doom alongside their own. :>

Oh, and blind fanboyism is truly unforgivable. Please open your eyes to Bisu's godliness, and his guaranteed triumph over any possible adversary from the KT Empire!!~

@TTT

About Stats's play-offs. I too think that his vZ games werent impressive. I was never impressed with Hydra from the start, cos i cant appreciate ZvZ and i dont think his ZvP was any special (i know statistics doesnt agree with me, but blah i just feel that way). Zero's lack of Sunken in his game vs Stats was seriously.. Basic, he constantly scouted Stats' army count and composition, and somehow still failed to defend against some simple SpeedZeals all in (i dont think we need to argue that it was, at the very least, a very heavily invested attack).

Its 4AM so im having some difficulty remembering his other play-off games, but that game vs Bogus on Icarus was horrible, if memory serves. And im not just shitting on him cos hes a KT dude either.

On August 10 2011 11:18 Neo7 wrote:


There can be only one Protoss player to rule them all

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On August 10 2011 11:55 endy wrote:


I've never seen any zerg saying that ZvP was Protoss favored. Protoss have been struggling against zerg since the beginning of BW, then Bisu came and destroyed the standard 4 hatch lair, and not long after 3 hatch spire into 5 hatch hydra countered this build. There was another revolution recently, but it only gave Protoss a few months to breath. Watch recent ZvPs, it's really painful for Protoss.

On August 10 2011 10:00 SimonB wrote:
Uh, Stats didn't do a 4-gate all in against Zero? He had successful early zealot aggression, but if you're going to criticize that as somehow illegitimate, you better throw out 50%+ of Bisu's PvZs.

He outplayed Zero and Hydra on all fronts with absolutely BRILLIANT play, not just with skills but also the mental game (check out the double stargate mindfuck to screw up Zero). It's only two games, so you can choose to look at his recent PvZ slump as more indicative, but whatever. He has looked great in the playoffs whether you look at the results or the games, and I view that as more indicative considering he's been one of the best proleague players in general. The fact that PvZ is his weakest matchup, and PvP is his strongest should prove to be very interesting against SKT.

Also lol about Best being 50/50 against Flash.

On August 10 2011 12:00 saltywet wrote:


i thought there was a small period of time where FFE was undefeatable by standard play thats why people like oversky, mondragon and luxury sought to end the game early with ling runby, 3 hatch ling all in, 2 hatch hydras

On August 10 2011 14:05 Z3kk wrote:
I think I may have known this at one point, but I forgot sooooo:

Is the format going to be all-kill, or is it going to two players at a time? Thanks

On August 10 2011 14:07 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:


just normal pl format, eg 2 players at a time.

On August 10 2011 10:57 ArvickHero wrote:
My mistake, it was a 3gate, but that is still considered quite all-in (to help you not-protoss KT fans understand, 3gate Speedlot is much like 5rax allin, except a lot easier to stop). Even two gateways before Archives is risky for Protoss nowadays, whereas it was completely standard months ago (the standard is to just make Zealots off of one Gate while using that 150 mineral to get a faster Archives instead of a 2nd Gate). After that third went down for Zero, rest of the game was a simple formality.

And his game vs Hydra was just Hydra really fucking up his Muta/Scourge control while 6 Zealots broke the shoddy simcity at the natural (1 sunken some lings vs 6-7 +1 speedlots.. we've seen this occur commonly.. like 8 months ago rofl). Once the economic damage was done, Hydra was done for because there's no easy fourth/imba simcity for Hydra to fall back on (on a map like La Mancha Hydra would've had a better chance of coming back). Stats being the solid protoss he is, doesn't epicly fuck up like many other Protosses would do and went on to win that game.

As for free, its true he hasn't had many notable wins in the vZ matchup for the past year, other than his Bo3 victory over Zero (back in '10..), but there are some notable plays he's done in his victories

I also find this quote ironic, considering how Action's ZvP recently has had a heavy emphasis on mid/Lair-game play (and has actually worked very well in many instances). And btw, that game was more of free's victory than Action's failure.

On August 10 2011 12:33 Sawamura wrote:


wait for ryo to bring in the goodies ...