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xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
April 23 2011 04:32 GMT
#201
Man, who says Irradiate is strong? Broodlings man
catleaves
Profile Joined December 2010
United States506 Posts
April 23 2011 04:33 GMT
#202
holy ****! SK rocks! you are the reason i play zerg! what an awesome game to watch live! phew~
^^
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2593 Posts
April 23 2011 04:33 GMT
#203
On April 23 2011 13:32 c3rberUs wrote:
Is this like a zvt revolution or this ordinary? I've never seen this many queens in a pro game or any game before.


Not much. Mostly woongjin zergs (crazy hydra vs someone, Zero vs Ruby (MSL), Soulkey vs FANTASY)

other zergs have varing degrees of success (calm vs fantasy, uhhh)
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
April 23 2011 04:33 GMT
#204
On April 23 2011 13:30 Kaal wrote:
Soulkey obv working on vT very well. I was really impressed, he used to be so shit vT


I think between ZerO and Light, there is all the ZvT knowledge you would ever need.

Light moving to stars has really helped SK I think
Jaedong and Baby
e_i_pi_1_0
Profile Joined September 2009
933 Posts
April 23 2011 04:34 GMT
#205
On April 23 2011 13:33 chongu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 13:32 c3rberUs wrote:
Is this like a zvt revolution or this ordinary? I've never seen this many queens in a pro game or any game before.


Not much. Mostly woongjin zergs (crazy hydra vs someone, Zero vs Ruby (MSL), Soulkey vs FANTASY)

other zergs have varing degrees of success (calm vs fantasy, uhhh)

Now I want to see Jaedong using this hydra-queen combo. It would be awesome.
Jaedong and Hwaseung Oz fan.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
April 23 2011 04:34 GMT
#206
On April 23 2011 13:33 chongu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 13:32 c3rberUs wrote:
Is this like a zvt revolution or this ordinary? I've never seen this many queens in a pro game or any game before.


Not much. Mostly woongjin zergs (crazy hydra vs someone, Zero vs Ruby (MSL), Soulkey vs FANTASY)

other zergs have varing degrees of success (calm vs fantasy, uhhh)

Oh, ok, thanks. Either way this was one hell of a game.
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
April 23 2011 04:35 GMT
#207
SK has always been good against mech, especially lategame mech; watch his older games against Sea and fantasy. It's the other parts of the matchup that he has more trouble with.
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Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
April 23 2011 04:35 GMT
#208
On April 23 2011 13:34 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 13:33 chongu wrote:
On April 23 2011 13:32 c3rberUs wrote:
Is this like a zvt revolution or this ordinary? I've never seen this many queens in a pro game or any game before.


Not much. Mostly woongjin zergs (crazy hydra vs someone, Zero vs Ruby (MSL), Soulkey vs FANTASY)

other zergs have varing degrees of success (calm vs fantasy, uhhh)

Now I want to see Jaedong using this hydra-queen combo. It would be awesome.


Exactly what I was typing. Specially after seeing him lose to whom shall not be named throwing wave after wave of ultraling into tanks.
salito
Profile Joined May 2010
1647 Posts
April 23 2011 04:35 GMT
#209
What the hell. Leta had sizable advantage going into lategame but the queens just reversed it. Leta couldn't control the queen numbers. Soulkey's usage of sending out small numbers then retreating them back to gain energy is amazing. This needs to be in every zerg's arsenal.
Nature moves in the shortest way possible.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
April 23 2011 04:35 GMT
#210
Amazing queen usage. I was really worried for a while there when Leta was taking bases everywhere while SK was still on 4 bases but he obviously knew what he was doing. How is the Terran going to adapt to this? It's really hard to get off EMPs when the zerg has scourge+plague+hydras everywhere. Also, because the zerg already has dark swarm + cracklings + lurkers, mass goliaths probably won't be that effective either.
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 04:36:20
April 23 2011 04:36 GMT
#211
On April 23 2011 13:34 c3rberUs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 13:33 chongu wrote:
On April 23 2011 13:32 c3rberUs wrote:
Is this like a zvt revolution or this ordinary? I've never seen this many queens in a pro game or any game before.


Not much. Mostly woongjin zergs (crazy hydra vs someone, Zero vs Ruby (MSL), Soulkey vs FANTASY)

other zergs have varing degrees of success (calm vs fantasy, uhhh)

Oh, ok, thanks. Either way this was one hell of a game.

You can see a lot more of this if you check out SoulKey's + Show Spoiler +
two games vs. Fantasy in the MSL Ro32 group stages
. . . nevermore
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
April 23 2011 04:36 GMT
#212
You guys are overreacting so much.
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 04:38:17
April 23 2011 04:37 GMT
#213
On April 23 2011 13:32 flagellum- wrote:
seriously, I don't know why progamers have never used queens this much before

if leta had stayed bio instead of transitioning, soulkey just wouldn't have had to get as many queens and could mass ensnare the mm

I guess it only works on big maps where you can afford to invest that much resources for the 2 minutes they need to get energy/

Queens vs bio is an entire different ball game; it's very VERY micro intensive (I think only Jaedong's really used it effectively and that was in like 1 or 2 games) and you only make a couple. You can't afford to make alot because against bio they're only good for ensnare and they don't have consume like defilers so they're "useless" most of the time. IMO you need to make sure they bio ball isn't being that aggressive and/or you know you have enough time to get an ensnare up; other wise it's just better to use the gas on lurkers.
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
April 23 2011 04:37 GMT
#214
why so good soulkey?
Writer
Evs
Profile Joined December 2008
Philippines330 Posts
April 23 2011 04:38 GMT
#215
Terran still don't know the proper response to mass queen then
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4396 Posts
April 23 2011 04:38 GMT
#216
This is an idea coming from a noob, but would Valkyries have been good for Leta in this situation? Would take out the scourge coming for his vessels, and do some serious damage to the Queens.
Sucker for nostalgia
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
April 23 2011 04:39 GMT
#217
On April 23 2011 13:37 King K. Rool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 13:32 flagellum- wrote:
seriously, I don't know why progamers have never used queens this much before

if leta had stayed bio instead of transitioning, soulkey just wouldn't have had to get as many queens and could mass ensnare the mm

I guess it only works on big maps where you can afford to invest that much resources for the 2 minutes they need to get energy/

Queens vs bio is an entire different ball game; it's very VERY micro intensive (I think only Jaedong's really used it effectively and that was in like 1 or 2 games) and you only make a couple. You can't afford to make alot because against bio they're only good for ensnare and they don't have consume like defilers so they're "useless" most of the time. IMO you need to make sure they bio ball isn't being that aggressive and/or you know you have enough time to get an ensnare up; other wise it's just better to use the gas on lurkers.

exactly, queen vs bio was pulled off a few times and works on paper but it's too micro intensive for most progamers to use effectively.
Writer
a7choi
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1664 Posts
April 23 2011 04:39 GMT
#218
HYDRA VS LIGHT! YESSSSS! TIME FOR LIGHT TO GET REVENGE
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
April 23 2011 04:40 GMT
#219
Hell to the yeah! Light vs Hydra rematch
Jaedong and Baby
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
April 23 2011 04:40 GMT
#220
Rematch! Weeeee~
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