This was a very interesting first Winner's League Finals visit for me.
I enjoyed it all. Stay tuned for the epic dance sequence by KT Cheerleaders (they were wayyyyy younger and hotter than SKT1 who picked....rather...older SKT1 cheerleaders..props to them to wear skirts in that weather vs shorts) that I got to see up close for being at Hanyang Uni. from 1:30 to 11pm.
On my TL Blog XD with pictures and etc
I cracked up at the Bisu Bounce and his awkward out of the box stage moment where he was gonna do something but then walked away bashfully.
On April 10 2011 08:11 ffreakk wrote: Is it just me or you are insinuating that Bisu cheesed? >.<
On April 10 2011 08:38 Elroi wrote: And don't even insinuate that Bisu cheesed that game, please. He did go for a straight game, you must have fanboy glasses.
Call it cheese or not, but to be fair, he said he went for a build that would put him at a disadvantage if Flash had gone for a factory expand, and that "for his strategy to work" he needed Flash to go Barracks into expansion.
"When I pushed out with my Zealots, for my strategy to work, Flash had go for a rax expand, but if he had gone for a factory expand instead, then I could have been at a disadvantage, but since the game went the way I wanted it to go, I was able to win." - Bisu (from the Post-game interview)
But I don't know how sincere he is - Korean players (MC aside) are known to be humble about their success.
It was a gimmicky build to say the least.
Gate-FE has been around for a while, you don't know what you are talking about lol. Had Bisu gone for the normal Range-Expand, Bisu would've been at a disadvantage against Flash's Rax-FE, wheras it would've been even if Flash went FD. Considering that the map is Aztec, Bisu probably correctly guessed that Flash would attempt to push every single advantage he could press to get his timing push out faster (even skipped turrets lol)
If you blindly do something hoping to get an advantage, and risk getting a disadvantage, it's gimmicky. Whether it's a 14cc or BBS. Bisu didn't rely on mechanics or micro, just a BO advantage.
I cannot believe how one sided people manage to see this. Flash went for a BLIND Rax CC with no bunker in a series when they are 3-1 behind, instead of playing a safe FD. How is that not a risk exactly? Bisu was modest in the interview cause even against FD his build would have been still fine and go into a normal game, Flash was the one doing the risky eco build. And how did he not rely on micro when he took the scouted decision to continue aggressive zealot pressure?
And then there's people trying to stretch that Aztec is the worst TvP map ever somehow despite the fact Flash Rax CC's quite often and could have had the identical result elsewhere. Due to low ground mains getting up on the natural ridge for T when pushing is excellent, it definitely has it's upsides and if anything Flash got a favorable starting position to push from as opposed to straight down. Bisu going gate first on the top of the ramp is just a smart decision not some massive all-out risk like some are trying to suggest.
If Flash was seriously worried about the map as if it was Bloody Ridge why not 2fac then or something, is he not confident he can beat Bisu in a micro battle ala HBR again? The arguments here are like saying 'wow Outsider imba ZvT remove it!' after Flash gets crippled by early ling pressure due to 14CC and dies later to mutas.
And yes i agree with the person above that it was one of those typical games that often happens between Flash/Jaedong/Bisu where the eco advantage rolls into a win for certain. But Flash made the game losing decision in this case. 1gate Nex was not do or die.
On April 10 2011 23:08 okum wrote: It was cheese. Of a very fine quality.
No it just wasn't, simple as that. How you can think a gate then nex is cheese i have no idea. People don't have to allow Terran's to get the best eco build possible with no reaction.
On April 10 2011 23:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On April 10 2011 22:31 Kiante wrote: In the same vein, flash was "gimmicky" with his rax expand, because it was open to being exploited how bisu did (or how stork did vs flash when he did a proxy 4 gate bust). Every build has its ups and downs, stop trying to villainise bisu for going gate-expo :S
Agree.
The only thing which can be said about Bisu's build, is that it's a one shot build. Won't ever work again. He used it in a very important game, and that's really SKT1 style (startegic builds well prepared for one precise game), so congratz to him.
Flash microed his marines absolutely amazingly too, which makes Bisu's performance even more impressive.
Building a gate first at natural on a low ground main map is not one shot; And clearly not even a bad build regularly if Terrans are going to Rax CC in so many games. If it turns out to be FD just don't build more zealots and transition to normal play. How would he be 'miles' behind from having 1 zealot produced (cause the scout would see if it was worth continuing with the play) when the Nex is still up straight away.
Streaming zealots in PvT isn't precisely the thing to do unless you really know what your opponent is doing.
Even building a couple of zealots, considering that Gate Nex is inferior economically to Rax FE would put him really far behind. Bisu said in an interview days ago he had a counter build. Flash has just been dumb to do exactly what he expected.
Bisu knew Flash was gonna Rax FE Bisu knew his zealot micro is great S-class level Bisu can still make goons if he saw a safer build
IDK why flash fans (not you :p) insists that it was cheese or it was the map. Why can't they see Flash's fault?
Fantasy is 4-1 in this map, with games from stork and snow. And to think this was the finals, flash should have at least prepared for the worst case scenario. And knowing T1, they have build orders for every possible out come, they know how to double their chances of winning. Why wasn't KT prepared? Why was flash unprepared?
Flash was under prepared because he had to prepare for everything. Bisu only had to practice vT for a snipe since he has other players to back him up, like fantasy. Flash has to be prepared for pretty much every matchup on the last 4 maps..
On April 10 2011 08:38 Elroi wrote: And don't even insinuate that Bisu cheesed that game, please. He did go for a straight game, you must have fanboy glasses.
Call it cheese or not, but to be fair, he said he went for a build that would put him at a disadvantage if Flash had gone for a factory expand, and that "for his strategy to work" he needed Flash to go Barracks into expansion.
"When I pushed out with my Zealots, for my strategy to work, Flash had go for a rax expand, but if he had gone for a factory expand instead, then I could have been at a disadvantage, but since the game went the way I wanted it to go, I was able to win." - Bisu (from the Post-game interview)
But I don't know how sincere he is - Korean players (MC aside) are known to be humble about their success.
He's basically saying that if Flash had scouted him earlier and gone fac CC then it wouldn't be good news for him as Flash can just fac cc fac and kill him as he went gate nex.
On April 10 2011 08:11 ffreakk wrote: Is it just me or you are insinuating that Bisu cheesed? >.<
On April 10 2011 08:38 Elroi wrote: And don't even insinuate that Bisu cheesed that game, please. He did go for a straight game, you must have fanboy glasses.
Call it cheese or not, but to be fair, he said he went for a build that would put him at a disadvantage if Flash had gone for a factory expand, and that "for his strategy to work" he needed Flash to go Barracks into expansion.
"When I pushed out with my Zealots, for my strategy to work, Flash had go for a rax expand, but if he had gone for a factory expand instead, then I could have been at a disadvantage, but since the game went the way I wanted it to go, I was able to win." - Bisu (from the Post-game interview)
But I don't know how sincere he is - Korean players (MC aside) are known to be humble about their success.
It was a gimmicky build to say the least.
Gate-FE has been around for a while, you don't know what you are talking about lol. Had Bisu gone for the normal Range-Expand, Bisu would've been at a disadvantage against Flash's Rax-FE, wheras it would've been even if Flash went FD. Considering that the map is Aztec, Bisu probably correctly guessed that Flash would attempt to push every single advantage he could press to get his timing push out faster (even skipped turrets lol)
If you blindly do something hoping to get an advantage, and risk getting a disadvantage, it's gimmicky. Whether it's a 14cc or BBS. Bisu didn't rely on mechanics or micro, just a BO advantage.
I cannot believe how one sided people manage to see this. Flash went for a BLIND Rax CC with no bunker in a series when they are 3-1 behind, instead of playing a safe FD. How is that not a risk exactly? Bisu was modest in the interview cause even against FD his build would have been still fine and go into a normal game, Flash was the one doing the risky eco build. And how did he not rely on micro when he took the scouted decision to continue aggressive zealot pressure?
And then there's people trying to stretch that Aztec is the worst TvP map ever somehow despite the fact Flash Rax CC's quite often and could have had the identical result elsewhere. Due to low ground mains getting up on the natural ridge for T when pushing is excellent, it definitely has it's upsides and if anything Flash got a favorable starting position to push from as opposed to straight down. Bisu going gate first on the top of the ramp is just a smart decision not some massive all-out risk like some are trying to suggest.
If Flash was seriously worried about the map as if it was Bloody Ridge why not 2fac then or something, is he not confident he can beat Bisu in a micro battle ala HBR again? The arguments here are like saying 'wow Outsider imba ZvT remove it!' after Flash gets crippled by early ling pressure due to 14CC and dies later to mutas.
And yes i agree with the person above that it was one of those typical games that often happens between Flash/Jaedong/Bisu where the eco advantage rolls into a win for certain. But Flash made the game losing decision in this case. 1gate Nex was not do or die.
On April 10 2011 23:08 okum wrote: It was cheese. Of a very fine quality.
No it just wasn't, simple as that. How you can think a gate then nex is cheese i have no idea. People don't have to allow Terran's to get the best eco build possible with no reaction.
On April 10 2011 23:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On April 10 2011 22:31 Kiante wrote: In the same vein, flash was "gimmicky" with his rax expand, because it was open to being exploited how bisu did (or how stork did vs flash when he did a proxy 4 gate bust). Every build has its ups and downs, stop trying to villainise bisu for going gate-expo :S
Agree.
The only thing which can be said about Bisu's build, is that it's a one shot build. Won't ever work again. He used it in a very important game, and that's really SKT1 style (startegic builds well prepared for one precise game), so congratz to him.
Flash microed his marines absolutely amazingly too, which makes Bisu's performance even more impressive.
Building a gate first at natural on a low ground main map is not one shot; And clearly not even a bad build regularly if Terrans are going to Rax CC in so many games. If it turns out to be FD just don't build more zealots and transition to normal play. How would he be 'miles' behind from having 1 zealot produced (cause the scout would see if it was worth continuing with the play) when the Nex is still up straight away.
Streaming zealots in PvT isn't precisely the thing to do unless you really know what your opponent is doing.
Even building a couple of zealots, considering that Gate Nex is inferior economically to Rax FE would put him really far behind. Bisu said in an interview days ago he had a counter build. Flash has just been dumb to do exactly what he expected.
Bisu knew Flash was gonna Rax FE Bisu knew his zealot micro is great S-class level Bisu can still make goons if he saw a safer build
IDK why flash fans (not you :p) insists that it was cheese or it was the map. Why can't they see Flash's fault?
Fantasy is 4-1 in this map, with games from stork and snow. And to think this was the finals, flash should have at least prepared for the worst case scenario. And knowing T1, they have build orders for every possible out come, they know how to double their chances of winning. Why wasn't KT prepared? Why was flash unprepared?
Flash was under prepared because he had to prepare for everything. Bisu only had to practice vT for a snipe since he has other players to back him up, like fantasy. Flash has to be prepared for pretty much every matchup on the last 4 maps..
Yeah, Bisu only has to practice for a snipe because s2 will obviously 3-kill. It's not like he might be needed to wipe a few other players out. Maybe your argument would make more sense if it was vs Oz, but it wasn't. Not to mention Bisu had to practice against Oz and against Hite, while KT had a seed in the finals and could've probably predicted SKT advancing. I think you are just too biased to see this.
On April 10 2011 08:11 ffreakk wrote: Is it just me or you are insinuating that Bisu cheesed? >.<
On April 10 2011 08:38 Elroi wrote: And don't even insinuate that Bisu cheesed that game, please. He did go for a straight game, you must have fanboy glasses.
Call it cheese or not, but to be fair, he said he went for a build that would put him at a disadvantage if Flash had gone for a factory expand, and that "for his strategy to work" he needed Flash to go Barracks into expansion.
"When I pushed out with my Zealots, for my strategy to work, Flash had go for a rax expand, but if he had gone for a factory expand instead, then I could have been at a disadvantage, but since the game went the way I wanted it to go, I was able to win." - Bisu (from the Post-game interview)
But I don't know how sincere he is - Korean players (MC aside) are known to be humble about their success.
It was a gimmicky build to say the least.
Gate-FE has been around for a while, you don't know what you are talking about lol. Had Bisu gone for the normal Range-Expand, Bisu would've been at a disadvantage against Flash's Rax-FE, wheras it would've been even if Flash went FD. Considering that the map is Aztec, Bisu probably correctly guessed that Flash would attempt to push every single advantage he could press to get his timing push out faster (even skipped turrets lol)
If you blindly do something hoping to get an advantage, and risk getting a disadvantage, it's gimmicky. Whether it's a 14cc or BBS. Bisu didn't rely on mechanics or micro, just a BO advantage.
I cannot believe how one sided people manage to see this. Flash went for a BLIND Rax CC with no bunker in a series when they are 3-1 behind, instead of playing a safe FD. How is that not a risk exactly? Bisu was modest in the interview cause even against FD his build would have been still fine and go into a normal game, Flash was the one doing the risky eco build. And how did he not rely on micro when he took the scouted decision to continue aggressive zealot pressure?
And then there's people trying to stretch that Aztec is the worst TvP map ever somehow despite the fact Flash Rax CC's quite often and could have had the identical result elsewhere. Due to low ground mains getting up on the natural ridge for T when pushing is excellent, it definitely has it's upsides and if anything Flash got a favorable starting position to push from as opposed to straight down. Bisu going gate first on the top of the ramp is just a smart decision not some massive all-out risk like some are trying to suggest.
If Flash was seriously worried about the map as if it was Bloody Ridge why not 2fac then or something, is he not confident he can beat Bisu in a micro battle ala HBR again? The arguments here are like saying 'wow Outsider imba ZvT remove it!' after Flash gets crippled by early ling pressure due to 14CC and dies later to mutas.
And yes i agree with the person above that it was one of those typical games that often happens between Flash/Jaedong/Bisu where the eco advantage rolls into a win for certain. But Flash made the game losing decision in this case. 1gate Nex was not do or die.
On April 10 2011 23:08 okum wrote: It was cheese. Of a very fine quality.
No it just wasn't, simple as that. How you can think a gate then nex is cheese i have no idea. People don't have to allow Terran's to get the best eco build possible with no reaction.
On April 10 2011 23:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On April 10 2011 22:31 Kiante wrote: In the same vein, flash was "gimmicky" with his rax expand, because it was open to being exploited how bisu did (or how stork did vs flash when he did a proxy 4 gate bust). Every build has its ups and downs, stop trying to villainise bisu for going gate-expo :S
Agree.
The only thing which can be said about Bisu's build, is that it's a one shot build. Won't ever work again. He used it in a very important game, and that's really SKT1 style (startegic builds well prepared for one precise game), so congratz to him.
Flash microed his marines absolutely amazingly too, which makes Bisu's performance even more impressive.
Building a gate first at natural on a low ground main map is not one shot; And clearly not even a bad build regularly if Terrans are going to Rax CC in so many games. If it turns out to be FD just don't build more zealots and transition to normal play. How would he be 'miles' behind from having 1 zealot produced (cause the scout would see if it was worth continuing with the play) when the Nex is still up straight away.
Streaming zealots in PvT isn't precisely the thing to do unless you really know what your opponent is doing.
Even building a couple of zealots, considering that Gate Nex is inferior economically to Rax FE would put him really far behind. Bisu said in an interview days ago he had a counter build. Flash has just been dumb to do exactly what he expected.
Bisu knew Flash was gonna Rax FE Bisu knew his zealot micro is great S-class level Bisu can still make goons if he saw a safer build
IDK why flash fans (not you :p) insists that it was cheese or it was the map. Why can't they see Flash's fault?
Fantasy is 4-1 in this map, with games from stork and snow. And to think this was the finals, flash should have at least prepared for the worst case scenario. And knowing T1, they have build orders for every possible out come, they know how to double their chances of winning. Why wasn't KT prepared? Why was flash unprepared?
Flash was under prepared because he had to prepare for everything. Bisu only had to practice vT for a snipe since he has other players to back him up, like fantasy. Flash has to be prepared for pretty much every matchup on the last 4 maps..
Somehow you ignored the fact that SKT had to claw its way to the final while KT sat home looking pretty with very generous amount of practice time.
haha... so much arguing~ I'm just happy that SKT won~ EVERYONE!!!! WE"LL GET TO SEE THEM PLAY AGAIN VERY VERY SOON~~~ please don't forget that... it's not the end of the world...
I agree some of your arguments are amazingly written and backed up... but sometimes, if you look at the core of the arguments, there's a time where the arguing ceases to be arguing about the truth, but arguing so y'all can win the argument... This is coming from a guy whose user name is "Bisu-Fan"
I just think KT could have practiced a bit more... Flash could have been less predictable... Bisu played exceptionally well, and SKT was really really well prepared... and might I add Yellow came back
Wow flash tearboys are the worst. S2 won the tourny and we dont even get to see him kiss the trophy thats something sad to talk about.
Reason why flash lost is because he plays to predictable (aka boring). He doesnt have much builds and Bisu took advantage with his zealots. Everyone knows flash's opening build is pretty much FE. Look at baby, stork, and bisu with the early harass. Remember free vs flash in bo5 and flash bunker the shit out of the FE nexus of free most flash fan boy called it brilliant, but when Bisu does it its cheese wow.
On April 10 2011 08:11 ffreakk wrote: Is it just me or you are insinuating that Bisu cheesed? >.<
On April 10 2011 08:38 Elroi wrote: And don't even insinuate that Bisu cheesed that game, please. He did go for a straight game, you must have fanboy glasses.
Call it cheese or not, but to be fair, he said he went for a build that would put him at a disadvantage if Flash had gone for a factory expand, and that "for his strategy to work" he needed Flash to go Barracks into expansion.
"When I pushed out with my Zealots, for my strategy to work, Flash had go for a rax expand, but if he had gone for a factory expand instead, then I could have been at a disadvantage, but since the game went the way I wanted it to go, I was able to win." - Bisu (from the Post-game interview)
But I don't know how sincere he is - Korean players (MC aside) are known to be humble about their success.
It was a gimmicky build to say the least.
Gate-FE has been around for a while, you don't know what you are talking about lol. Had Bisu gone for the normal Range-Expand, Bisu would've been at a disadvantage against Flash's Rax-FE, wheras it would've been even if Flash went FD. Considering that the map is Aztec, Bisu probably correctly guessed that Flash would attempt to push every single advantage he could press to get his timing push out faster (even skipped turrets lol)
If you blindly do something hoping to get an advantage, and risk getting a disadvantage, it's gimmicky. Whether it's a 14cc or BBS. Bisu didn't rely on mechanics or micro, just a BO advantage.
I cannot believe how one sided people manage to see this. Flash went for a BLIND Rax CC with no bunker in a series when they are 3-1 behind, instead of playing a safe FD. How is that not a risk exactly? Bisu was modest in the interview cause even against FD his build would have been still fine and go into a normal game, Flash was the one doing the risky eco build. And how did he not rely on micro when he took the scouted decision to continue aggressive zealot pressure?
And then there's people trying to stretch that Aztec is the worst TvP map ever somehow despite the fact Flash Rax CC's quite often and could have had the identical result elsewhere. Due to low ground mains getting up on the natural ridge for T when pushing is excellent, it definitely has it's upsides and if anything Flash got a favorable starting position to push from as opposed to straight down. Bisu going gate first on the top of the ramp is just a smart decision not some massive all-out risk like some are trying to suggest.
If Flash was seriously worried about the map as if it was Bloody Ridge why not 2fac then or something, is he not confident he can beat Bisu in a micro battle ala HBR again? The arguments here are like saying 'wow Outsider imba ZvT remove it!' after Flash gets crippled by early ling pressure due to 14CC and dies later to mutas.
And yes i agree with the person above that it was one of those typical games that often happens between Flash/Jaedong/Bisu where the eco advantage rolls into a win for certain. But Flash made the game losing decision in this case. 1gate Nex was not do or die.
On April 10 2011 23:08 okum wrote: It was cheese. Of a very fine quality.
No it just wasn't, simple as that. How you can think a gate then nex is cheese i have no idea. People don't have to allow Terran's to get the best eco build possible with no reaction.
On April 10 2011 23:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On April 10 2011 22:31 Kiante wrote: In the same vein, flash was "gimmicky" with his rax expand, because it was open to being exploited how bisu did (or how stork did vs flash when he did a proxy 4 gate bust). Every build has its ups and downs, stop trying to villainise bisu for going gate-expo :S
Agree.
The only thing which can be said about Bisu's build, is that it's a one shot build. Won't ever work again. He used it in a very important game, and that's really SKT1 style (startegic builds well prepared for one precise game), so congratz to him.
Flash microed his marines absolutely amazingly too, which makes Bisu's performance even more impressive.
Building a gate first at natural on a low ground main map is not one shot; And clearly not even a bad build regularly if Terrans are going to Rax CC in so many games. If it turns out to be FD just don't build more zealots and transition to normal play. How would he be 'miles' behind from having 1 zealot produced (cause the scout would see if it was worth continuing with the play) when the Nex is still up straight away.
Streaming zealots in PvT isn't precisely the thing to do unless you really know what your opponent is doing.
Even building a couple of zealots, considering that Gate Nex is inferior economically to Rax FE would put him really far behind. Bisu said in an interview days ago he had a counter build. Flash has just been dumb to do exactly what he expected.
Bisu knew Flash was gonna Rax FE Bisu knew his zealot micro is great S-class level Bisu can still make goons if he saw a safer build
IDK why flash fans (not you :p) insists that it was cheese or it was the map. Why can't they see Flash's fault?
Fantasy is 4-1 in this map, with games from stork and snow. And to think this was the finals, flash should have at least prepared for the worst case scenario. And knowing T1, they have build orders for every possible out come, they know how to double their chances of winning. Why wasn't KT prepared? Why was flash unprepared?
Flash was under prepared because he had to prepare for everything. Bisu only had to practice vT for a snipe since he has other players to back him up, like fantasy. Flash has to be prepared for pretty much every matchup on the last 4 maps..
Somehow you ignored the fact that SKT had to claw its way to the final while KT sat home looking pretty with very generous amount of practice time.
I doubt flash practiced vP on aztec, or thought he had to. That's all I have to say.
Call it cheese or not, but to be fair, he said he went for a build that would put him at a disadvantage if Flash had gone for a factory expand, and that "for his strategy to work" he needed Flash to go Barracks into expansion.
"When I pushed out with my Zealots, for my strategy to work, Flash had go for a rax expand, but if he had gone for a factory expand instead, then I could have been at a disadvantage, but since the game went the way I wanted it to go, I was able to win." - Bisu (from the Post-game interview)
But I don't know how sincere he is - Korean players (MC aside) are known to be humble about their success.
It was a gimmicky build to say the least.
Gate-FE has been around for a while, you don't know what you are talking about lol. Had Bisu gone for the normal Range-Expand, Bisu would've been at a disadvantage against Flash's Rax-FE, wheras it would've been even if Flash went FD. Considering that the map is Aztec, Bisu probably correctly guessed that Flash would attempt to push every single advantage he could press to get his timing push out faster (even skipped turrets lol)
If you blindly do something hoping to get an advantage, and risk getting a disadvantage, it's gimmicky. Whether it's a 14cc or BBS. Bisu didn't rely on mechanics or micro, just a BO advantage.
I cannot believe how one sided people manage to see this. Flash went for a BLIND Rax CC with no bunker in a series when they are 3-1 behind, instead of playing a safe FD. How is that not a risk exactly? Bisu was modest in the interview cause even against FD his build would have been still fine and go into a normal game, Flash was the one doing the risky eco build. And how did he not rely on micro when he took the scouted decision to continue aggressive zealot pressure?
And then there's people trying to stretch that Aztec is the worst TvP map ever somehow despite the fact Flash Rax CC's quite often and could have had the identical result elsewhere. Due to low ground mains getting up on the natural ridge for T when pushing is excellent, it definitely has it's upsides and if anything Flash got a favorable starting position to push from as opposed to straight down. Bisu going gate first on the top of the ramp is just a smart decision not some massive all-out risk like some are trying to suggest.
If Flash was seriously worried about the map as if it was Bloody Ridge why not 2fac then or something, is he not confident he can beat Bisu in a micro battle ala HBR again? The arguments here are like saying 'wow Outsider imba ZvT remove it!' after Flash gets crippled by early ling pressure due to 14CC and dies later to mutas.
And yes i agree with the person above that it was one of those typical games that often happens between Flash/Jaedong/Bisu where the eco advantage rolls into a win for certain. But Flash made the game losing decision in this case. 1gate Nex was not do or die.
On April 10 2011 23:08 okum wrote: It was cheese. Of a very fine quality.
No it just wasn't, simple as that. How you can think a gate then nex is cheese i have no idea. People don't have to allow Terran's to get the best eco build possible with no reaction.
On April 10 2011 23:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On April 10 2011 22:31 Kiante wrote: In the same vein, flash was "gimmicky" with his rax expand, because it was open to being exploited how bisu did (or how stork did vs flash when he did a proxy 4 gate bust). Every build has its ups and downs, stop trying to villainise bisu for going gate-expo :S
Agree.
The only thing which can be said about Bisu's build, is that it's a one shot build. Won't ever work again. He used it in a very important game, and that's really SKT1 style (startegic builds well prepared for one precise game), so congratz to him.
Flash microed his marines absolutely amazingly too, which makes Bisu's performance even more impressive.
Building a gate first at natural on a low ground main map is not one shot; And clearly not even a bad build regularly if Terrans are going to Rax CC in so many games. If it turns out to be FD just don't build more zealots and transition to normal play. How would he be 'miles' behind from having 1 zealot produced (cause the scout would see if it was worth continuing with the play) when the Nex is still up straight away.
Streaming zealots in PvT isn't precisely the thing to do unless you really know what your opponent is doing.
Even building a couple of zealots, considering that Gate Nex is inferior economically to Rax FE would put him really far behind. Bisu said in an interview days ago he had a counter build. Flash has just been dumb to do exactly what he expected.
Bisu knew Flash was gonna Rax FE Bisu knew his zealot micro is great S-class level Bisu can still make goons if he saw a safer build
IDK why flash fans (not you :p) insists that it was cheese or it was the map. Why can't they see Flash's fault?
Fantasy is 4-1 in this map, with games from stork and snow. And to think this was the finals, flash should have at least prepared for the worst case scenario. And knowing T1, they have build orders for every possible out come, they know how to double their chances of winning. Why wasn't KT prepared? Why was flash unprepared?
Flash was under prepared because he had to prepare for everything. Bisu only had to practice vT for a snipe since he has other players to back him up, like fantasy. Flash has to be prepared for pretty much every matchup on the last 4 maps..
Somehow you ignored the fact that SKT had to claw its way to the final while KT sat home looking pretty with very generous amount of practice time.
I doubt flash practiced vP on aztec, or thought he had to. That's all I have to say.
this might or might not have been posted... but i love moktira for including the day highlights everyone go to 42:30 for the team's reaction to Bisu's bounce~ I like the coach on the far right~ i forget his name
On April 11 2011 05:34 Bisu-Fan wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtGrjhj_rgo this might or might not have been posted... but i love moktira for including the day highlights everyone go to 42:30 for the team's reaction to Bisu's bounce~ I like the coach on the far right~ i forget his name
CURSE YOU GERMANY all of the latest videos are unavailable because of UMG stuff, meh was it in the normal broadcast?
On April 11 2011 05:34 Bisu-Fan wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtGrjhj_rgo this might or might not have been posted... but i love moktira for including the day highlights everyone go to 42:30 for the team's reaction to Bisu's bounce~ I like the coach on the far right~ i forget his name
CURSE YOU GERMANY all of the latest videos are unavailable because of UMG stuff, meh was it in the normal broadcast?
yeah it was in the normal broadcast... the very very end of it though... i think one of the streams turned off before it but GTR i think had it~
On April 11 2011 05:34 Bisu-Fan wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtGrjhj_rgo this might or might not have been posted... but i love moktira for including the day highlights everyone go to 42:30 for the team's reaction to Bisu's bounce~ I like the coach on the far right~ i forget his name
CURSE YOU GERMANY all of the latest videos are unavailable because of UMG stuff, meh was it in the normal broadcast?
yeah it was in the normal broadcast... the very very end of it though... i think one of the streams turned off before it but GTR i think had it~
dang seems it isn't in the mbc torrent here on TL ^^ was that ogn?
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