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DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
April 10 2011 01:43 GMT
#4401
Kiante, just wanted to mention that you were great on Sayle's stream. It's great to listen to someone who understands the game and follows the pro scene. I'd love to see you do that stuff more often. ^_^
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
April 10 2011 01:45 GMT
#4402
dude i was so wasted still chuffed i called s2's build vs stats pre-game tho ^_^
the hardest part about casting with sayle is making sure you shut up and let him cast because he's so damn good at calling the game. its all about restraint. not sure how much i was holding in when bisu was breaking flash tho XD i was screaming like a little girl
Writer
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
April 10 2011 01:46 GMT
#4403
On April 10 2011 10:36 Kiante wrote:
I like how people are complaining about bisu's 1 gate FE but noone ever complains about the 1 rax FE. Its an extremely risky build, and terrans have been getting away with it for too long now. Its time that siege/expo's and proper walloffs became standard again to prevent this kind of stuff

I like how this is coming from Mr. I12nexEveryPvT ^_^
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
April 10 2011 01:49 GMT
#4404
And every pvp**
but when i pvt i say "oh well gonna lose this probably"
then i get bunker rushed and lose. i get punished alot, its about time terrans felt the same pain
Writer
Kal_rA1
Profile Joined January 2011
160 Posts
April 10 2011 02:25 GMT
#4405
group d preview :D
bisuuuuit!
Jaedong Oz
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
April 10 2011 02:27 GMT
#4406
great games indeed, look at all those people there!

zealot harass by bisu was definitely fun to watch.

XD
~ The Ultimate Weapon
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
April 10 2011 02:30 GMT
#4407
On April 10 2011 09:55 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 09:35 Djabanete wrote:
On April 10 2011 08:19 disciple wrote:
the gif represents a pure and genuine emotion. korean players dont show any of that on a regular basis. bisu would never react the same way about some sort of personal achievement. as a person that played in a soccer squad for quite a while I know what it is to represent a team. Bisu has all my sympathy in his emotion, I just know how he felt, and the feeling is nothing short of utter bliss

lol

I honestly can't tell if you're trolling the guy or temporarily lost the ability to read out of sheer happiness =D

edit: nvm trolling it is

how is this trolling?

You'd have to read what he was responding to. Guy said gif wasn't working and totally misinterpreted
May the BeSt man win.
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
April 10 2011 03:17 GMT
#4408
Just epic, as flash did look like a mortal today, bisu completely shut him down and s2 played magnificently.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
April 10 2011 04:21 GMT
#4409
T1 is really good at tailor-making a build to snipe off the opponent's ace this kinda reminds me of SPL 08-09 GF when Fantasy cheesed the crap out of Jaedong ...

This is what makes BW so awesome from a spectator's point of view. It's the constant evolution of strategies and little tweaks in build-orders which never fail to amaze. We all thought Flash pretty much reached the perfection of BW, and this game came to prove otherwise. Sure it's partly due to map, scouting luck and whatnots. But let's face it, Flash overcame maps and luck countless of times before. And to be able to both crush him, and make it look easy at the same time, you have to admit it's no simple task.

I've been busy with work lately, and not been able to watch many BW games. But I'm so glad that I was able to catch this final.

Long live Broodwar!

Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
April 10 2011 04:30 GMT
#4410
Well, I think that FlaSh-Bisu game had every single possible random factor going in favour of Bisu. The BOs, the starting locations, the scouting pattern were all in Bisu's favour and gave him a huge and free advantage for the build he chose to do.

Still, have to give props to the SKT coaching team. Unbelievable preparation in every playoff match and in the finals especially.
Betrayed by EG.BuK
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
April 10 2011 04:39 GMT
#4411
Okay all the talk about games aside...

After the last game...was that friggin Ogre Battle 64 music being played!? Starts at about 21 minutes on the last VoD.

I know that level music is forever burned into my memory so...what the hell? It's a decent theme and all but lol
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
April 10 2011 04:57 GMT
#4412
On April 10 2011 13:39 scrubtastic wrote:
Okay all the talk about games aside...

After the last game...was that friggin Ogre Battle 64 music being played!? Starts at about 21 minutes on the last VoD.

I know that level music is forever burned into my memory so...what the hell? It's a decent theme and all but lol

i don't know if it was from 64, definitely remember it from the first ogre battle.

after flash lost i was like nooooooo but then ogre battle played and i was like lol


i dunno if you could say bisu made it look easy. sci vessel got sniped for free, and bisu won the insane micro duel in the beginning to make the whole thing work from the beginning. he did play extremely well though.
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
April 10 2011 05:13 GMT
#4413
Just watched the games. s2 played way beyond my expectations.

And bisu is awesome as usual.
( ・´ー・`)
pimp_stick
Profile Joined March 2009
United States17 Posts
April 10 2011 05:17 GMT
#4414
I have never seen bisu react like that in the booth, what domination
You always fear what you dont understand
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
April 10 2011 05:20 GMT
#4415
Hah, I thought the "map imba!" of last night was going to be the end of it. I'm fairly impressed we've now found it suitable to call Bisu's play cheesey, gimmicky and lucky. Nice work!
~
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
April 10 2011 05:20 GMT
#4416
On April 10 2011 13:30 tyCe wrote:
Well, I think that FlaSh-Bisu game had every single possible random factor going in favour of Bisu. The BOs, the starting locations, the scouting pattern were all in Bisu's favour and gave him a huge and free advantage for the build he chose to do.

Still, have to give props to the SKT coaching team. Unbelievable preparation in every playoff match and in the finals especially.


Skill and good looks ain't a random factor.
bisu fanboy
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
April 10 2011 05:22 GMT
#4417
On April 10 2011 14:20 fearus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 13:30 tyCe wrote:
Well, I think that FlaSh-Bisu game had every single possible random factor going in favour of Bisu. The BOs, the starting locations, the scouting pattern were all in Bisu's favour and gave him a huge and free advantage for the build he chose to do.

Still, have to give props to the SKT coaching team. Unbelievable preparation in every playoff match and in the finals especially.


Skill and good looks ain't a random factor.


What actually won Bisu the game was the chair bounce... That increases APM by synchronizing body motion with hand/finger motion... something like that.
Jaedong and Baby
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
April 10 2011 05:23 GMT
#4418
On April 10 2011 14:22 Yxes2211 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 14:20 fearus wrote:
On April 10 2011 13:30 tyCe wrote:
Well, I think that FlaSh-Bisu game had every single possible random factor going in favour of Bisu. The BOs, the starting locations, the scouting pattern were all in Bisu's favour and gave him a huge and free advantage for the build he chose to do.

Still, have to give props to the SKT coaching team. Unbelievable preparation in every playoff match and in the finals especially.


Skill and good looks ain't a random factor.


What actually won Bisu the game was the chair bounce... That increases APM by synchronizing body motion with hand/finger motion... something like that.


Dude.. edit that post asap b4 secret gets out!
bisu fanboy
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 06:08:50
April 10 2011 05:53 GMT
#4419
Bisu played great and the aggression was excellent, can't believe people are trying to discredit it with map claims and all kinds of stuff. Flash didn't play up his normal standards and was just outplayed. The push to the bridge underneath Bisu's natural i don't even understand, why to set up there? It's begging to be flanked. It was now or never decision to move out i guess? But he decided to camp there. Don't get it at all.

Obviously it would be impossible to push into the nat up the ramp or up the big ramp, maybe he could have set up underneath the 11 o' clock base though. But overall why even push out, he needed to defend and expand to the right, try some dropship harass prehaps, and macro up to a massive push. Even with the obvious disadvantage he was at, waiting for a large push surely would have been better, we've seen his skill at moving out and just killing everything P has with one main push. Plus position wise it's actually not bad for going across, pushing up the large ramp and then moving for a contain on the lower ground main. I think if Bisu spawned at the bottom it would have been infact worse mid-game.

Obviously though Flash's decision making is far superior to my own and his massive main talent, but i just don't see it here. He went into it knowing it's a nice P map and yet had no plan other than Rax CC (which is kinda risky already) and play normal? I think he looked a little 'off' against s2 as well to be honest, so i think even if he had won i reckon Fantasy would have beaten him. He's probably been playing TvT solely for ages just for it, and it was only 3-2 in their series.

On April 10 2011 13:30 tyCe wrote:
Well, I think that FlaSh-Bisu game had every single possible random factor going in favour of Bisu. The BOs, the starting locations, the scouting pattern were all in Bisu's favour and gave him a huge and free advantage for the build he chose to do.

Still, have to give props to the SKT coaching team. Unbelievable preparation in every playoff match and in the finals especially.


I think you say this like it's luck though, but going Rax CC at this point in the series 3-0 down and against Bisu is tempting fate. That wasn't luck he was going to do it like he usually does. I'm not sure the position was much better or worse really... it's harder to push down not sideways on Aztec. Flash could have gone a safe Fac CC, taken the right base with his typical great defense, do some harassment and maybe take the other 3 o' clock if he could hold it, then do a big push. The eco advantage gained does he really need to risk when he's this good at a matchup?

Also why are people even talking about sniping here? (sorry just going back through the comments). If anything Bisu played safe and did the aggression as a response. What specific sniping was planned there? Now i see another comment that it's gimmicky. I must have forgot that P have to 12nex every game and allow a free expo with only one marine in a bunker. If Flash played Fac first then Bisu would NOT have followed up with the extra zealots obviously. Last edit i'm making to this but simply;

Flash is the one who took the risk in the situation.
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 06:57:03
April 10 2011 06:54 GMT
#4420
Watched the VoD with Stats vs s2...why the *hell* did Stats:
a) go ovie hunting before scouting with his sair, and
b) stop sending scouting probes,
leaving him with no information until hydras were already at the front door?

Stats failing to scout s2 was KT's single biggest failing I think. Was there some other reason for him not scouting? Because what I see is a D level mistake that led Flash down to the world of Snipeland.

That was pretty sneaky by s2 though. No scouting just begs for an all-in, and a 10 hydra + mass ling all-in was pretty low on the "Expected Builds" list.

Lol at that fanboy blaming "everything wrong with the state of broodwar" for why s2 won that game though, hilarious.
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