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Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 22:48:03
April 09 2011 22:45 GMT
#4361
That is the ugly side of the Winner's League format. If you only have to take down one player that is superior to everyone on your team, just throw 4 cheesy builds in a row on race friendly maps at him and one time the scouting luck or the opponent's buildorder will be with you.

I really do not enjoy watching these kind of games. It is not about playing a solid game, it is about increasing the variance by gambling on things you can't influence. I would have much rather liked to see Bisu go for a straight game but it is understandable that he was afraid after the beating he took from Flash last game. Scouting luck was with him and that was that. Nothing wrong with it, that is the right strategy, but the Winner's League format leads to these ugly not watchworthy games.
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
April 09 2011 22:45 GMT
#4362
I love you bisu!! Well done SKT
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
April 09 2011 22:49 GMT
#4363
I'm sad skt won. But bitter losses will make future victories taste sweeter. KT will take proleague 10-11
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
April 09 2011 22:55 GMT
#4364
SKTs victory just made me #49 on the liquibet ranks.
I have never been that high up ..

<3
Where is my ACE flair
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
April 09 2011 23:02 GMT
#4365
Oh snap! Just came home to see this. Made oh, oh so happy!
Wonderful news! Got a good set of games to watch tomorrow morning
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
April 09 2011 23:05 GMT
#4366
On April 10 2011 07:36 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 07:10 hacklebeast wrote:
[image loading]

credit to sillylaughs

omg this put a huge grin on my face, happy bisu is my bliss. cant wait to get back home to watch teh games



Are you kidding? To me it doesn't work :S:S:S
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 23:14:05
April 09 2011 23:11 GMT
#4367
On April 10 2011 07:45 Fenrax wrote:
That is the ugly side of the Winner's League format. If you only have to take down one player that is superior to everyone on your team, just throw 4 cheesy builds in a row on race friendly maps at him and one time the scouting luck or the opponent's buildorder will be with you.

I really do not enjoy watching these kind of games. It is not about playing a solid game, it is about increasing the variance by gambling on things you can't influence. I would have much rather liked to see Bisu go for a straight game but it is understandable that he was afraid after the beating he took from Flash last game. Scouting luck was with him and that was that. Nothing wrong with it, that is the right strategy, but the Winner's League format leads to these ugly not watchworthy games.


Is it just me or you are insinuating that Bisu cheesed? >.<

Cmon, its understandable to be unhappy, but down-playing the opposite side just to illegitimise their win over your side is ... unbefitting of such a senior poster (a Tank!)..

What i saw from Bisu was a well-prepared build that is customised for the map, after analyzing his opponent's past plays carefully. There was early Zeal pressure, and some standard Goon pressure into double-expanding.. Of course Flash's 5-fact all-in made the game look short, but it doesnt look much different from a variance of a standard PvT.. Sure the build looks tailored for Flash.. But that is what you do, especially in high-stake games, not "fk preparation, ima play standard and hope to win"..

After watching the VoD for the 3rd time, Flash's scouting SCV didnt even reach the ramp of the empty base (that he wrongly scouted) when Bisu's 1st Zeal said high to Flash's SCV.. Flash scouted late, and paid the price for that.. His rine micro was brilliant, but it wasnt enough to win him the game.. Thats how i feel.
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 23:14:17
April 09 2011 23:12 GMT
#4368
On April 10 2011 08:05 Arnstein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 07:36 disciple wrote:
On April 10 2011 07:10 hacklebeast wrote:
[image loading]

credit to sillylaughs

omg this put a huge grin on my face, happy bisu is my bliss. cant wait to get back home to watch teh games



Are you kidding? To me it doesn't work :S:S:S

have you ever watched davis cup? all the excitement and adrenalin players get from winning it all for their team, if you played a team sport you should know the joy of making it all happen for your squad, all the effort all the practice and YOU are the guy to give a meaning to it. There is no other feeling like this, no golden mouse no 3 msl titles no nothing
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 23:17:04
April 09 2011 23:15 GMT
#4369
On April 10 2011 08:12 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 08:05 Arnstein wrote:
On April 10 2011 07:36 disciple wrote:
On April 10 2011 07:10 hacklebeast wrote:
[image loading]

credit to sillylaughs

omg this put a huge grin on my face, happy bisu is my bliss. cant wait to get back home to watch teh games



Are you kidding? To me it doesn't work :S:S:S

have you ever watched davis cup? all the excitement and adrenalin players get from winning it all for their team, if you played a team sport you should know the joy of making it all happen for your squad, all the effort all the practice and YOU are the guy to give a meaning to it. There is no other feeling like this, no golden mouse no 3 msl titles no nothing


What are you talking about? I meant that the gif doesn't work It's just one picture then nothing, so it gives off a blinking effect.

Edit: Worked in Opera :p
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
April 09 2011 23:19 GMT
#4370
That was an incredibly disappointing match. -_____-;
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 23:21:46
April 09 2011 23:19 GMT
#4371
the gif represents a pure and genuine emotion. korean players dont show any of that on a regular basis. bisu would never react the same way about some sort of personal achievement. as a person that played in a soccer squad for quite a while I know what it is to represent a team. Bisu has all my sympathy in his emotion, I just know how he felt, and the feeling is nothing short of utter bliss
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
gorchiza
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Bulgaria200 Posts
April 09 2011 23:26 GMT
#4372
Stoek plus some zerg against.cj team leta and some zerg
http://www.youtube.com/user/GORCHIZA?feature=mhee
gorchiza
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Bulgaria200 Posts
April 09 2011 23:26 GMT
#4373
A show match starting now between some playrts
http://www.youtube.com/user/GORCHIZA?feature=mhee
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
April 09 2011 23:34 GMT
#4374
On April 10 2011 08:19 disciple wrote:
the gif represents a pure and genuine emotion. korean players dont show any of that on a regular basis. bisu would never react the same way about some sort of personal achievement. as a person that played in a soccer squad for quite a while I know what it is to represent a team. Bisu has all my sympathy in his emotion, I just know how he felt, and the feeling is nothing short of utter bliss


As I already stated: I meant that the gif itself didn't work. I actually have been requesting it myself as I wanted to see that again and couldn't find it in the VODs that I downloaded from the VOD tracker.

I LOVE BISU! :D
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
April 09 2011 23:38 GMT
#4375
On April 10 2011 07:45 Fenrax wrote:
That is the ugly side of the Winner's League format. If you only have to take down one player that is superior to everyone on your team, just throw 4 cheesy builds in a row on race friendly maps at him and one time the scouting luck or the opponent's buildorder will be with you.

I really do not enjoy watching these kind of games. It is not about playing a solid game, it is about increasing the variance by gambling on things you can't influence. I would have much rather liked to see Bisu go for a straight game but it is understandable that he was afraid after the beating he took from Flash last game. Scouting luck was with him and that was that. Nothing wrong with it, that is the right strategy, but the Winner's League format leads to these ugly not watchworthy games.

I disagree with everything in this post. It is a good thing that a team can't just rely on one player. Depth should have a meaning in proleague. That is a very important aspect of proleague - proleague is not the same thing as the starleagues in this case. That being said, WL is the part of proleague where the big stars have the opportunity to shine by carrying their whole team anyway so your argument is a bit strange.

And don't even insinuate that Bisu cheesed that game, please. He did go for a straight game, you must have fanboy glasses.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Spekulatius
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2413 Posts
April 09 2011 23:52 GMT
#4376
On April 10 2011 08:11 ffreakk wrote:
Is it just me or you are insinuating that Bisu cheesed? >.<


On April 10 2011 08:38 Elroi wrote:
And don't even insinuate that Bisu cheesed that game, please. He did go for a straight game, you must have fanboy glasses.


Call it cheese or not, but to be fair, he said he went for a build that would put him at a disadvantage if Flash had gone for a factory expand, and that "for his strategy to work" he needed Flash to go Barracks into expansion.

"When I pushed out with my Zealots, for my strategy to work, Flash had go for a rax expand, but if he had gone for a factory expand instead, then I could have been at a disadvantage, but since the game went the way I wanted it to go, I was able to win." - Bisu (from the Post-game interview)

But I don't know how sincere he is - Korean players (MC aside) are known to be humble about their success.
Always smile~
Path
Profile Joined September 2010
United States145 Posts
April 10 2011 00:09 GMT
#4377
SKT Zerg finally delivers! Good job Bisu for overcoming your T weakness! (Even though you have been preparing a lot for the match against Flash )
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
April 10 2011 00:13 GMT
#4378
On April 10 2011 00:10 deafhobbit wrote:
Grats to SKT though. (Z)s2 played great, and i always love seeing weaker players do well. Likewise, even if Aztec is PvT favored, (P)Bisu played great (except for throwing away 2 DT's for nothing).

They weren't wasted. Flash was low on scans and Bisu knew it.
May the BeSt man win.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 00:21:09
April 10 2011 00:17 GMT
#4379
On April 10 2011 00:53 hitthat wrote:
i know that we, SKT fans are arogant and all... but we just can lose with style (remember last final vs KT?)

Now lets compered this with today, with KT fans reaction. This makes their tears even sweeter :D
(I'm not KT antifanboy, but I dont like their fans much...too overconfident)

If only you could win with style you'd have it all!

On April 10 2011 01:10 hitthat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 01:06 Kiante wrote:
when bisu celebrated pre-gg in the booth, it was an amazing moment. SKT FIGHTING. cant wait to read the KT fanboy excuses


There were none. they are not that classy as we were last time, but they dont make much of these. only saying that map was bad for terran in BvF match.

Dude...

Anyway congrats to SKT --- and especially Bisu for playing a flawless game. Felt bad for Flash though when he pushed out knowing it was his last chance. He probably had a good plan that got totally wrecked
May the BeSt man win.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 10 2011 00:18 GMT
#4380
I, and others, have been criticizing Bisu for being too predictable. Today he switched things up and used a prepared and smart build order to disable Flash's super strong Rax FE opening. He deserves nothing but credit for that game.

Can't wait to see Flash get his revenge in MSL though.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
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