EPTI really do not enjoy watching these kind of games. It is not about playing a solid game, it is about increasing the variance by gambling on things you can't influence. I would have much rather liked to see Bisu go for a straight game but it is understandable that he was afraid after the beating he took from Flash last game. Scouting luck was with him and that was that. Nothing wrong with it, that is the right strategy, but the Winner's League format leads to these ugly not watchworthy games.
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
I really do not enjoy watching these kind of games. It is not about playing a solid game, it is about increasing the variance by gambling on things you can't influence. I would have much rather liked to see Bisu go for a straight game but it is understandable that he was afraid after the beating he took from Flash last game. Scouting luck was with him and that was that. Nothing wrong with it, that is the right strategy, but the Winner's League format leads to these ugly not watchworthy games. | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
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Tufas
Austria2259 Posts
I have never been that high up .. <3 | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
Wonderful news! Got a good set of games to watch tomorrow morning  | ||
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
On April 10 2011 07:36 disciple wrote: omg this put a huge grin on my face, happy bisu is my bliss. cant wait to get back home to watch teh games Are you kidding? To me it doesn't work :S:S:S | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On April 10 2011 07:45 Fenrax wrote: That is the ugly side of the Winner's League format. If you only have to take down one player that is superior to everyone on your team, just throw 4 cheesy builds in a row on race friendly maps at him and one time the scouting luck or the opponent's buildorder will be with you. I really do not enjoy watching these kind of games. It is not about playing a solid game, it is about increasing the variance by gambling on things you can't influence. I would have much rather liked to see Bisu go for a straight game but it is understandable that he was afraid after the beating he took from Flash last game. Scouting luck was with him and that was that. Nothing wrong with it, that is the right strategy, but the Winner's League format leads to these ugly not watchworthy games. Is it just me or you are insinuating that Bisu cheesed? >.< Cmon, its understandable to be unhappy, but down-playing the opposite side just to illegitimise their win over your side is ... unbefitting of such a senior poster (a Tank!).. What i saw from Bisu was a well-prepared build that is customised for the map, after analyzing his opponent's past plays carefully. There was early Zeal pressure, and some standard Goon pressure into double-expanding.. Of course Flash's 5-fact all-in made the game look short, but it doesnt look much different from a variance of a standard PvT.. Sure the build looks tailored for Flash.. But that is what you do, especially in high-stake games, not "fk preparation, ima play standard and hope to win".. After watching the VoD for the 3rd time, Flash's scouting SCV didnt even reach the ramp of the empty base (that he wrongly scouted) when Bisu's 1st Zeal said high to Flash's SCV.. Flash scouted late, and paid the price for that.. His rine micro was brilliant, but it wasnt enough to win him the game.. Thats how i feel. | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
On April 10 2011 08:05 Arnstein wrote: Are you kidding? To me it doesn't work :S:S:S have you ever watched davis cup? all the excitement and adrenalin players get from winning it all for their team, if you played a team sport you should know the joy of making it all happen for your squad, all the effort all the practice and YOU are the guy to give a meaning to it. There is no other feeling like this, no golden mouse no 3 msl titles no nothing | ||
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
On April 10 2011 08:12 disciple wrote: have you ever watched davis cup? all the excitement and adrenalin players get from winning it all for their team, if you played a team sport you should know the joy of making it all happen for your squad, all the effort all the practice and YOU are the guy to give a meaning to it. There is no other feeling like this, no golden mouse no 3 msl titles no nothing What are you talking about? I meant that the gif doesn't work  It's just one picture then nothing, so it gives off a blinking effect.Edit: Worked in Opera :p | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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disciple
9070 Posts
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gorchiza
Bulgaria200 Posts
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gorchiza
Bulgaria200 Posts
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
On April 10 2011 08:19 disciple wrote: the gif represents a pure and genuine emotion. korean players dont show any of that on a regular basis. bisu would never react the same way about some sort of personal achievement. as a person that played in a soccer squad for quite a while I know what it is to represent a team. Bisu has all my sympathy in his emotion, I just know how he felt, and the feeling is nothing short of utter bliss As I already stated: I meant that the gif itself didn't work. I actually have been requesting it myself as I wanted to see that again and couldn't find it in the VODs that I downloaded from the VOD tracker. I LOVE BISU! :D | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
On April 10 2011 07:45 Fenrax wrote: That is the ugly side of the Winner's League format. If you only have to take down one player that is superior to everyone on your team, just throw 4 cheesy builds in a row on race friendly maps at him and one time the scouting luck or the opponent's buildorder will be with you. I really do not enjoy watching these kind of games. It is not about playing a solid game, it is about increasing the variance by gambling on things you can't influence. I would have much rather liked to see Bisu go for a straight game but it is understandable that he was afraid after the beating he took from Flash last game. Scouting luck was with him and that was that. Nothing wrong with it, that is the right strategy, but the Winner's League format leads to these ugly not watchworthy games. I disagree with everything in this post. It is a good thing that a team can't just rely on one player. Depth should have a meaning in proleague. That is a very important aspect of proleague - proleague is not the same thing as the starleagues in this case. That being said, WL is the part of proleague where the big stars have the opportunity to shine by carrying their whole team anyway so your argument is a bit strange. And don't even insinuate that Bisu cheesed that game, please. He did go for a straight game, you must have fanboy glasses. | ||
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
On April 10 2011 08:11 ffreakk wrote: Is it just me or you are insinuating that Bisu cheesed? >.< On April 10 2011 08:38 Elroi wrote: And don't even insinuate that Bisu cheesed that game, please. He did go for a straight game, you must have fanboy glasses. Call it cheese or not, but to be fair, he said he went for a build that would put him at a disadvantage if Flash had gone for a factory expand, and that "for his strategy to work" he needed Flash to go Barracks into expansion. "When I pushed out with my Zealots, for my strategy to work, Flash had go for a rax expand, but if he had gone for a factory expand instead, then I could have been at a disadvantage, but since the game went the way I wanted it to go, I was able to win." - Bisu (from the Post-game interview) But I don't know how sincere he is - Korean players (MC aside) are known to be humble about their success. | ||
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Path
United States145 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On April 10 2011 00:10 deafhobbit wrote: Grats to SKT though.  s2 played great, and i always love seeing weaker players do well. Likewise, even if Aztec is PvT favored,  Bisu played great (except for throwing away 2 DT's for nothing). They weren't wasted. Flash was low on scans and Bisu knew it. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On April 10 2011 00:53 hitthat wrote: i know that we, SKT fans are arogant and all... but we just can lose with style (remember last final vs KT?) Now lets compered this with today, with KT fans reaction. This makes their tears even sweeter :D (I'm not KT antifanboy, but I dont like their fans much...too overconfident) If only you could win with style you'd have it all! On April 10 2011 01:10 hitthat wrote: There were none. they are not that classy as we were last time, but they dont make much of these. only saying that map was bad for terran in BvF match. Dude... Anyway congrats to SKT --- and especially Bisu for playing a flawless game. Felt bad for Flash though when he pushed out knowing it was his last chance. He probably had a good plan that got totally wrecked  | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Can't wait to see Flash get his revenge in MSL though.  | ||
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