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Spica
United States5582 Posts
On April 03 2011 12:25 X10A wrote: I did, one of my posts in the topic was about my crusade against my team, during SWL playoffs unless there was a Hyuk allkill, so Hentus Oz and now KT are my icons, it'll be back to SKT after Traitor. | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
I only believe in Hyuk, and most of the retired players. Bisu is and always will be the womantoss Best is that toss that got crushed by July for his Golden Mouse Fantasy, that guy with the vultures, who beat GGplay with oov's build and lost back to back osl's Hyuk, amazing. (If only the stupid haircut curse would leave T.T) That is all. | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On April 03 2011 12:45 X10A wrote: I only believe in Hyuk, and most of the retired players. Bisu is and always will be the womantoss Best is that toss that got crushed by July for his Golden Mouse Fantasy, that guy with the vultures, who beat GGplay with oov's build and lost back to back osl's Hyuk, amazing. (If only the stupid haircut curse would leave T.T) That is all. I don't think any team would want you as a fan anyways if you're so easily swayed to switch around team tags. | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
On April 03 2011 15:18 ArvickHero wrote: I don't think any team would want you as a fan anyways if you're so easily swayed to switch around team tags. Haha, I think I'm agreeing with you there, but in my defence this is a one time thing. | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On April 03 2011 15:18 ArvickHero wrote: I don't think any team would want you as a fan anyways if you're so easily swayed to switch around team tags. I think teams just appreciate it when people like them :3 PS jaedong fighting | ||
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gongryong
Korea (South)1430 Posts
gotta catch whats up the last 30 pages LOL | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/3994/76556821.gif) | ||
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micromegas
Denmark171 Posts
That Bisu gif is mildly annoying. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Now if only he could win an OSL -_- | ||
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Bisu_Wolf
United States17 Posts
Is that Bunkie!? | ||
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micromegas
Denmark171 Posts
edit. | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
On April 03 2011 23:13 Bisu_Wolf wrote: Why is there a shirtless guy behind Bisu? Is that Bunkie!? Pretty sure thats Best | ||
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micromegas
Denmark171 Posts
On April 03 2011 18:55 gongryong wrote: wow i watch SWL semis end at 100ish, climb a mountain for 24 hours, go back home with sore feet, and SWL thread still on top with 132 pages already! JvB for yah baby! all them fanboys of BW represent! yeah! gotta catch whats up the last 30 pages LOL Well, you know, this isn't really a "game" thread, more like a mancrush thread.  | ||
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pinkranger15
Philippines1597 Posts
On April 03 2011 23:13 Bisu_Wolf wrote: Why is there a shirtless guy behind Bisu? Is that Bunkie!? whoever that is, he's pretty damn lucky. he and bisu just finished do the badunkadunk. | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
I've seen this .gif before. It looks like it was taken at the old MBC house. The person should be Light. | ||
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Piste
6174 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On April 03 2011 00:23 ninini wrote: If you're Protoss, look at Bisu's unit composition in this game. Dragoon's are situational units. They are meant to deal with lurkers, nothing else. A mix of Zealots, Archons, High Templars, DT's and Corsairs are so much more effective against everything else. Jaedong got rolled. The moment Bisu killed off those scourges in the early game he had basically won. Then he just expanded while Jaedong was all-inning from 4 bases, desperately trying to break Bisu's army, but never succeeding. And that's how he always wins. By having air control, he can roam freely on the map, and expand as he wish, and then when the 5 hatch hydra push comes up, Bisu already have 3 bases of his own, and another one on the way. I think it's fair to say Bisu have figured out 3 hatch spire 5 hatch hydra. I think this basically confirms something a lot of us already thought about Bisu vs Jaedong, that a small mistake rolls into an avoidable loss hence the games are usually disappointing somewhat. This one was pretty good but it certainly happens a lot. P players in general seem to be far better at dealing with scourge now than ever before too which has got to help. I mentioned it before and it doesn't help early game but seriously what's wrong with using Queens more? Ensnaring a Sair ball makes it totally useless. And ensnare in general on a P army makes it get raped attempting to retreat from cracklings or other flanks. I think at least having a couple around lategame would do no harm, expensive broodling not even needed. Parasite Archons for constant vision of army, and ensnare shuttles/sairs/armies (particularly dragoons which would make them 100% useless vs cracklings). Not to mention parasiting Shuttles which makes them virtually useless for harassment, especially as the Queen comes with the spell by default. Queens almost seem like a total counter to sair/reaver when you think about it. Note that i don't think it would have helped here pretty much at all as i think the ensnare timing would be too late to do anything, but imagine the awesome play of ensnaring like 8 sairs at once then scourge cloning them all. You see pro's waste fleets of like 20 scourge at once these days, imagine if it was along with a queen... then it would be a real threat. It's only 75 energy points too, and with it's good range i don't see a reason to even not use it. Even defensively hovering over your natural choke points and ensaring attacking forces would greatly reduce the damage of the attacks being done as well as slowing speedlots into normal lots. Even vs T i think it could be used more although i know progamers complained it's already too much multitasking, but in recent games i've seen so many CC's taken down to yellow health begging just to be instantly stolen. Wasting 400 minerals, build time and gives you a building you can float off and use to your advantage. Z's have an easy way to take down half-health expos without even researching anything with a single 100/100 unit! Cracklings bring down a CC to yellow health before there there can be a reaction usually, imagine just a single group of 11 lings and 1 queen stealing a CC withing like 5 seconds. Even muta focus fire like Jaedong showed could bring it down enough to easily steal before repair, but he seemed to do it as a mindgame more than a real strategy. Not to mention outside of this use, you can parasite vessels to keep tracking of the cloud, and ensnaring bio forces turns stimmed rines into normal rines. Isn't this enough variety of uses to justify keeping a few around as support? Map control and mobility is such an important part of pro SC and here you have a unit which can significantly effect those things, yet it's mostly ignored. Let's just imagine getting queens nest up at the fairly usual time vs bio TvZ then like 3 queens + ensnare. You would lose money that you can use for a few lurker/lings/mutas, but at the same time any time they attacked you could heavily nullify their forces with a couple of ensnares. Vs Mech well we've all seen the use of them there vs Tanks. Ensnare vs a vulture heavy user like SSak or Fantasy prehaps wouldn't be too bad though (unfortunately for tanks/goliaths it doesn't slow the attack speed down at all). Against 2port wraith provided you can get it out in time, ensnare is like a hard counter, although they would be switching to MnM or pure mech most likely by that time. If you really want to get fancy how about even ensnaring a group of stacked workers trying to run away. I know i'm basically theorycrafting (although i will try it myself) but it seems totally reasonable/feasible doesn't it? I know people like to say 'too much cost invested' and whatever but we're not talking ZvZ where you're on a razors edge and spending anything incorrectly means you lose. Maybe i should write a thread on this matter and play some games, although i think no one will take me seriously cause if my low level play. I think i've watched enough BW to make some fair judgment calls though. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On the matter about Parasite, simply getting burrow+lings for maphack is a more cost-effective option against Sair/Reaver, and Sair/Reaver at the pro-level is primarily used as a launching ground for either a fast third, Zealot (or Dragoon)/Reaver timing, or a Splashtoss timing allin since Zergs got really good at defending against Sair/Reaver. You do have a good point about parasiting Archons though, that would be a huge annoyance to deal with. Queens in TvZ had a short period of use with Jaedong back in 09 I think, but in the end he concluded that its too much work to be worth it. Nowadays, hardly any pro Zerg dies to the 3Tank 1Vessel timing, so Queens are totally unnecessary for that. Also there is no way in hell you can get Queens out in time vs 2port lol. And regarding the CC sniping, it would be pretty effective for a short while if a Zerg could coordinate it well, but then eventually Terrans will just train themselves to react fast enough to negate it (like how Zergs react lightning fast to almost any harassment attempts nowadays, or Protoss for the same matter). Parasiting a Vessel could be kinda useful, but then Terran will just sac the vessel by irradiating whatever he can, because losing 1 Vessel isn't the same as losing 1 Archon in PvZ :\ Overall, I think the only real use of Queens are Broodling in PvZ and TvZ, both of which can horribly blow up in the Zerg's face if they execute it wrongly, but when done well its fucking awesome. Parasite has its uses, but only a viable luxury in lategame situations. Ensnare is just a spell that is difficult to use and isn't really worth the cost/APM most cases. | ||
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Wardensc2
Vietnam5 Posts
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