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On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus.
yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right?
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Isn't Protoss supposed to abandon an early expo if Terran brings that many SCVs? Like, let the Terran kill the nexus and avoid losing any probes?
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I have a feeling that if Stork have gotten a shuttle RIGHT in the beginning and then build a nexus at that location, he could potentially be in a better situation.
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I was impressed with how Stork handled that. He is the only toss that can handle Flash like that imo.
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On March 13 2011 16:17 Baddieko wrote:
totally unplayable, scv should be 40 life. When toss do 1 gate expand or 14nex they can lose straightaway to scvs, terran can't lose unless to 4 gate.
in that case scv's should be able to independently regain life
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On March 13 2011 16:15 Scaramanga wrote:
Is it just me or did it seam like flash threw away so many units when he could have seiged, pushed with more care and ended it way sooner? seamed really strange to me
I think b/c he was 2 base vs 1 base for such a long time he just didn't care at some point. He probably thought if he just keeps trading armies he will win eventually. When he noticed things could get out of hand he immediately switched to "ok ok, ima kill you".
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On March 13 2011 16:17 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:15 Scaramanga wrote:
Is it just me or did it seam like flash threw away so many units when he could have seiged, pushed with more care and ended it way sooner? seamed really strange to me Yeah a few goliaths instead of wraiths and he wouldnt have lost so many units to stork dropping on him constantly. Wraiths are ok, but they get sniped too fast, and its not like he needed to chase shuttles here (where wraiths would be optimal), he just needed to protect his tanks.
meh. didn't really matter. flash was so ahead i don't think he even cared for his units
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On March 13 2011 16:17 Severedevil wrote:
Isn't Protoss supposed to abandon an early expo if Terran brings that many SCVs? Like, let the Terran kill the nexus and avoid losing any probes?
if micro'd carefully, protoss can still handle the rush. flash just had some really good scv micro and was able to trap stork's dragoon
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On March 13 2011 16:18 a7choi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:17 moopie wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Scaramanga wrote:
Is it just me or did it seam like flash threw away so many units when he could have seiged, pushed with more care and ended it way sooner? seamed really strange to me Yeah a few goliaths instead of wraiths and he wouldnt have lost so many units to stork dropping on him constantly. Wraiths are ok, but they get sniped too fast, and its not like he needed to chase shuttles here (where wraiths would be optimal), he just needed to protect his tanks. meh. didn't really matter. flash was so ahead i don't think he even cared for his units
Well yeah it didn't matter too much for the outcome, but still bothered me. 3 shuttles, no goliaths, constantly dropping zealot/goon on his sieged tanks. :/
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On March 13 2011 16:18 radialis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:17 Baddieko wrote:
totally unplayable, scv should be 40 life. When toss do 1 gate expand or 14nex they can lose straightaway to scvs, terran can't lose unless to 4 gate. in that case scv's should be able to independently regain life
definitely they could by paying peanuts. Thats the crazy part.
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On March 13 2011 16:16 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I'm pretty sure Flash has not lost a single game this season when he is the last player for his team. Ultimate clutch.
I hope you mean the WL season because if you don't then you forget things so soon. First day of the 2010-2011 Proleague, remember it.
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On March 13 2011 16:19 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:18 a7choi wrote:On March 13 2011 16:17 moopie wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Scaramanga wrote:
Is it just me or did it seam like flash threw away so many units when he could have seiged, pushed with more care and ended it way sooner? seamed really strange to me Yeah a few goliaths instead of wraiths and he wouldnt have lost so many units to stork dropping on him constantly. Wraiths are ok, but they get sniped too fast, and its not like he needed to chase shuttles here (where wraiths would be optimal), he just needed to protect his tanks. meh. didn't really matter. flash was so ahead i don't think he even cared for his units Well yeah it didn't matter too much for the outcome, but still bothered me. 3 shuttles, no goliaths, constantly dropping zealot/goon on his sieged tanks. :/
i guess. i'm pretty sure if flash didn't have such a huge lead, he would've played much more carefully with a better unit composition to respond to the 3 shuttles haha
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Folks, let's not lose sight of the fact that Stork LOST. If this were Mike Tomlin and the Steelers, he'd be giving a lecture right now about the uselessness of moral victories. This reminds me of people praising Hiya for going nukes on Free. Who gives a damn? He lost. Almost only counts in horse shoes, horse shit (stepping in vs. not) and hand grenades.
On the other hand, all congrats to Flash on getting revenge. I suspect this is why he couldn't smile after the Jaedong game. He wanted this one more.
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On March 13 2011 16:15 Scaramanga wrote:
Is it just me or did it seam like flash threw away so many units when he could have seiged, pushed with more care and ended it way sooner? seamed really strange to me
ya after he killed 2 nat's nexus, seems like he isnt trying.
the whole wraith thing was "lololol, no goliaths needed"
Also there was a huge cliff between 6's low ground and Stork's main, I think Flash can just hold some wraiths there that probably complete shut down shuttles and secure low ground better. but he won, so w/e.
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On March 13 2011 16:17 SkelA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese. That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus. yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right?
Depends what you consider cheese. Stork's build in that game was preplanned. He went into the game with the intention of doing a 4-gate all-in after forcing Flash to 1rax expand with double gas steal. I'd consider that cheese since Flash didn't scout it and therefore lost. On the other hand, in tonight's game, Flash scouted the quick expansion and decided to respond with a bunker rush. Stork's zealot saw the rush coming, but he mismicroed his first goon and lost it, while getting no kills with his zealot that was in Flash's main instead of pulling it back to chase marines, thus costing him his nat.
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On March 13 2011 16:17 SkelA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese. That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus. yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right?
i missed this games bunker rush but last game with the 3 proxy gates was not cheese. flash much like jaedong insisted on blind cc/ hatcher first builds and stork said no.
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eh... what's the results so far? OP isn't updated :/
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On March 13 2011 16:22 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:17 SkelA wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese. That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus. yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right? i missed this games bunker rush but last game with the 3 proxy gates was not cheese. flash much like jaedong insisted on blind cc/ hatcher first builds and stork said no.
It wasn't a blind cc. He responded to Stork's gas steal with a 1 rax cc, and then Stork stole his nat gas as well, thus delaying siege.
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