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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XIt8I.png) Recycled banner. Still looking good, though.
Saturday, March 13th 2011, 13:00 KST, Channel OGN
EDIT: Guys, so sorry for being AFK--got called away because brother locked himself out of the building and I was not at home at the time--now I am home and updating OP
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Great vs Barracks
Barracks showed really sick play last tvp lets see hes tvz
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Barracks blue terran at 5 oclock
Great brown zerg at 1 oclock.
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Thanks to Craton for streaming.
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lol wtf. OP has MBC vs ACE listed as teams playing (with Khan vs KT images above). Click on ACE, and it takes you to the STX team?! And MBC takes you to Oz! Haha shit's whack! I'm sure it'll be fixed though 
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Thanks in adavnce to live reporters Ustream continues to be dodgy for those of us in asia pacific =[
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Barracks 14 ccs
Great pool first.
Barracks dies. Great smiling.
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United States13143 Posts
Well, that sucked for Barracks
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OMG i went to the bathroom and missed 5 pool? T.T
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Well that was a quick BO hard counter, no chance, Great demolishes Barracks CC first attempt with pool first.
On March 13 2011 13:07 SkelA wrote:
OMG i went to the bathroom and missed 5 pool? T.T
I don't think it was 5pool, prob 9pool speed vs 14 cc. Didn't see the beginning but great had at least 12 drones at the end.
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On March 13 2011 13:07 SkelA wrote:
OMG i went to the bathroom and missed 5 pool? T.T
it was 9 pool
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His Barracks wasn't fast enough
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Barracks looked so intense, and great didn't
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On March 13 2011 13:08 blabber wrote:
His Barracks wasn't fast enough
I resisted making this joke, but it was very, very difficult.
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mind games..:/
gg..great is on my fpl team but i dont feel too happy about the win..
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i know it's a BO loss, but barracks is so freaking bad. great didn't even make more than 6 lings and all barracks manages to do is lose all his scvs and kill 2.
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Wait, what?? I was gone for 5min, come back to a commercial lol
gg... I guess?
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9 pool vs 14 cc reminds me savior vs upmagic 
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On March 13 2011 13:08 hacklebeast wrote:
Barracks looked so intense, and great didn't
Barracks and Hoejja are probably the two most nervous progamers I can think of. They always look way too intense.
Makes me feel sorry for them, because they don't get to play all that much, so they probably get too nervous the few times they do get to play and lose, and so it's a vicious cycle.
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On March 13 2011 13:07 FabledIntegral wrote:Well that was a quick BO hard counter, no chance, Great demolishes Barracks CC first attempt with pool first. Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 13:07 SkelA wrote:
OMG i went to the bathroom and missed 5 pool? T.T I don't think it was 5pool, prob 9pool speed vs 14 cc. Didn't see the beginning but great had at least 12 drones at the end.
I'm not sure speed even finished, he died really fast
Meanwhile, the other match hasn't even started.
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marcoso
Brazil818 Posts
KHAN better win today! It's been a long time since I watched live BW
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On March 13 2011 13:09 SimonB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 13:08 hacklebeast wrote:
Barracks looked so intense, and great didn't Barracks and Hoejja are probably the two most nervous progamers I can think of. They always look way too intense. Makes me feel sorry for them, because they don't get to play all that much, so they probably get too nervous the few times they do get to play and lose, and so it's a vicious cycle.
Jaehoon, especially last season.
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On March 13 2011 13:09 SimonB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 13:08 hacklebeast wrote:
Barracks looked so intense, and great didn't Barracks and Hoejja are probably the two most nervous progamers I can think of. They always look way too intense. Makes me feel sorry for them, because they don't get to play all that much, so they probably get too nervous the few times they do get to play and lose, and so it's a vicious cycle.
+ Horang2
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Didn't watch the first game but was that a blind 14CC ? >:[On March 13 2011 13:14 Exchange wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 13:09 SimonB wrote:On March 13 2011 13:08 hacklebeast wrote:
Barracks looked so intense, and great didn't Barracks and Hoejja are probably the two most nervous progamers I can think of. They always look way too intense. Makes me feel sorry for them, because they don't get to play all that much, so they probably get too nervous the few times they do get to play and lose, and so it's a vicious cycle. + Horang2 Horang2 isn't nervous. The only time I can think of him being nervous is his game against Oz's Princess. Otherwise he's particularly clutch in PvP.
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On March 13 2011 13:14 mnesthes wrote:
Didn't watch the first game but was that a blind 14CC ? >:[
Yes and blind 9 pool and poor SCV micro
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Little Mermaid is soo good
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On March 13 2011 13:16 Exchange wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 13:14 mnesthes wrote:
Didn't watch the first game but was that a blind 14CC ? >:[ Yes and blind 9 pool and poor SCV micro Barracks should have stayed true to his name and not 14CC on a 4p map >:[ why don't you learn from your master >:[
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PvZ on Bloody Ridge = hydra push
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stork and flash are not amused
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It's Stats vs great since somehow no one managed to mention it.
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On March 13 2011 13:10 marcoso wrote:
KHAN better win today! It's been a long time since I watched live BW
Holy crap, haven't seen you posting since...prior to Flash's era of rampage?
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and chintoss scouts the den!
will it be a bust or a fake bust?
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ustream doesn't work for aussies?
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I hate when craton main window lagging and small don't =/
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great retreats his hydras...is he still on hatchery tech???
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On March 13 2011 13:26 radialis wrote:
ustream doesn't work for aussies?
doesn't seem like it, great vs barracks was fine for me but aside from that i haven't been able to watch any sc1 on ustream for about a week now
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Stats annihilates all of Great's hydras with a million storms and invades his 4th with a few zealots while pushing toward the nat. Great ggs.
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WOW Stats with very impressive play to take the win!
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Bow down before the chin! RAWR!
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great ggs, hydra bust fail, stats walks over him after storm tech finishes with a seizable ht, goon zealot army
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Lame hatchery tech all-in getting hard-owned like that is so satisfying to watch.
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Craton stream skips or freezes, anyone exp the same thing?
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On March 13 2011 13:33 underxb wrote:
Craton stream skips or freezes, anyone exp the same thing?
Only ongame stream, when he streaming kpop stream is ok =/
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On March 13 2011 13:35 Exchange wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 13:33 underxb wrote:
Craton stream skips or freezes, anyone exp the same thing? Only ongame stream, when he streaming kpop stream is ok =/
nah for me it doesnt matter whether its kpop or ogn..still freezes/skips :/
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On March 13 2011 13:37 Katsuge wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 13:35 Exchange wrote:On March 13 2011 13:33 underxb wrote:
Craton stream skips or freezes, anyone exp the same thing? Only ongame stream, when he streaming kpop stream is ok =/ nah for me it doesnt matter whether its kpop or ogn..still freezes/skips :/
Same here. It happens very often with his stream.
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On March 13 2011 13:37 Katsuge wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 13:35 Exchange wrote:On March 13 2011 13:33 underxb wrote:
Craton stream skips or freezes, anyone exp the same thing? Only ongame stream, when he streaming kpop stream is ok =/ nah for me it doesnt matter whether its kpop or ogn..still freezes/skips :/
for me too, no idea what's this
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On March 13 2011 13:37 Katsuge wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 13:35 Exchange wrote:On March 13 2011 13:33 underxb wrote:
Craton stream skips or freezes, anyone exp the same thing? Only ongame stream, when he streaming kpop stream is ok =/ nah for me it doesnt matter whether its kpop or ogn..still freezes/skips :/
ill put up my stream, see if its any better for you
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/tbrown47
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just tuned in.. what's the score and how were the games??
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Brave in set 3 to PvP Stats.
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On March 13 2011 13:39 tbrown47 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 13:37 Katsuge wrote:On March 13 2011 13:35 Exchange wrote:On March 13 2011 13:33 underxb wrote:
Craton stream skips or freezes, anyone exp the same thing? Only ongame stream, when he streaming kpop stream is ok =/ nah for me it doesnt matter whether its kpop or ogn..still freezes/skips :/ ill put up my stream, see if its any better for you http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/tbrown47
Thanks for the stream! really really helpful
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brave vs chin
can't decide who to cheer for
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On March 13 2011 13:39 tbrown47 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 13:37 Katsuge wrote:On March 13 2011 13:35 Exchange wrote:On March 13 2011 13:33 underxb wrote:
Craton stream skips or freezes, anyone exp the same thing? Only ongame stream, when he streaming kpop stream is ok =/ nah for me it doesnt matter whether its kpop or ogn..still freezes/skips :/ ill put up my stream, see if its any better for you http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/tbrown47
Thank you very much for the stream.
And Craton as well of course.
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mehh kt better win today. i hope flash gets to play!
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On March 13 2011 13:39 tbrown47 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 13:37 Katsuge wrote:On March 13 2011 13:35 Exchange wrote:On March 13 2011 13:33 underxb wrote:
Craton stream skips or freezes, anyone exp the same thing? Only ongame stream, when he streaming kpop stream is ok =/ nah for me it doesnt matter whether its kpop or ogn..still freezes/skips :/ ill put up my stream, see if its any better for you http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/tbrown47
this is a godsend.. thank you ^^
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I don't believe it. A ustream that actually works for Australians.
tbrown47 is the BW community bonjwa
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Who's playing? The OP isn't up to date.
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January looks terrifying today!
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stats and brave are playing
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On March 13 2011 13:47 CDRdude wrote:
Who's playing? The OP isn't up to date.
brave vs stats
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On March 13 2011 13:47 CDRdude wrote:
Who's playing? The OP isn't up to date.
brave vs stats
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Close enough to mirror builds. 2 gate robo for both. Stats snuck a probe in and used the information to expand safely. Brave's nexus follows slightly behind.
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damn brave's reaver in his nat killed so many of stats' dragoons after stats wins the battle 
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Stats attacks with shuttle reaver vs. 1 naked reaver. He wins the initial fight but loses his own reaver. He pushes into Brave's nat but a 2nd reaver inflicts heavy losses.
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who's ahead now?
stats lost reaver + shuttle, brave only reaver
both lost nearly the same amount of goons
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SNIPEU!
brave rolls eyes :>
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Stats is pretty far ahead after that last engagement. Sniped a shuttle with reaver for free. and now pushing into Brave's nat.
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Brave ggs after losing control of his nat to Stats' army of zealot/goon.
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buffer into gg
well done stats
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had the impression stats was ahead the WHOLE game, had more tech and more units
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damn stats has some really really solid gameplay
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Turn this around now if you can, Samsung!
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On March 13 2011 13:55 okum wrote:
Turn this around now if you can, Samsung!
certainly not  TurN he's tvp is abysmal
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On March 13 2011 13:57 ShadeR wrote:certainly not TurN he's tvp is abysmal
idk, it's relatively untested rather than abysmal
if they do send out a terran it would be reality
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i'm thinking probably grape? or actually maybe stork?
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Come on Samsung, don't disappoint me like this.
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Maybe they will send Reality or Turn to take out Stats
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On March 13 2011 14:01 LightningStrike wrote:
Maybe they will send Reality or Turn to take out Stats
probably grape then stork
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Send Stork, it's now or never!
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Jangbi as Khan's 3rd to attempt to PvP Stats once again.
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Jangbi for Khan time to see for some Jangbanging =)
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lol how the eff is jangbi kespa 45? his elo peak is over 2300
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I would be so happy with a Stats all kill.
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Jangbi 6 o clock
Stats 12 o clock
Map is Fortress SE
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On March 13 2011 14:02 mnesthes wrote:
Send Stork, it's now or never!
lol so wrong.
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On March 13 2011 14:06 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I would be so happy with a Stats all kill.
jangbang into storkpork, KT got no chance!
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Man the Reach look so good in KT uniform :O
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...what, is stork going to be stuck with having to 3 kill to win?
Not that Samsung has too much choice here. Good luck Samsung, you are going to need it
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are the streams laggy or is it just me? TT
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On March 13 2011 14:10 a7choi wrote:
are the streams laggy or is it just me? TT
USTREAM in the last month has become blocked/laggy for people in certain countries and/or with certain ISPs. It's a piece of shit.
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Jangbi loses the engagement in the middle just barely, but both players are forced to pull back.
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Stats now pushing into Jangbi's nat with 2 reavers but gets sandwiched by Jangbi's shuttle/reavers. Both sides lose all their goons and save their reavers.
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OMG DOUBLE REAVER KILLLLL JANGBIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
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Big battle in Jangbi's natural but Jangbi pulls out on top
Until Dts came into his base
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Stats mismicros and loses both his reavers and all his goons while trying to snipe the shuttle. He attacks again with more goons and a DT! Jangbi has no detection!
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Does anyone have the results? I'm switching between this and the Fox-Stars game and I can't keep up
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??????
jangbi stops mining gas, pumps a bunch of zealots and goes out for a counter push!
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great > ?
stats > great
stats > brave
jangbi vs stats now
@1eris1
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Stats taking his 3rd while jangbi going for reaver harass in the main
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Current results:
Great > Barracks (5 pool vs 14CC)
Great < Stats (failed hydra bust into storms wrecking everything)
Brave < Stats (standard reaver/goon pvp)
Jangbi <> Stats
2-1 KT
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jangbi goes for a reaver drop int he main, kills 1? probe.
big army in the center. jangbi at full tech and 5 gates
stats getting a 3rd
jangbi sending a dt into the main! but theres an obs there....
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jangbi tries to catch the army off guard, doesn't do to much damage,
dt drop repelled by cannon and nice probe micro
lag
umm a bunch of archons for stats
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On March 13 2011 14:15 crazeh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 14:10 a7choi wrote:
are the streams laggy or is it just me? TT USTREAM in the last month has become blocked/laggy for people in certain countries and/or with certain ISPs. It's a piece of shit.
damn that's such shit
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poor jangbi loses a dt trying to harass stats main =(
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On March 13 2011 14:20 TheNessman wrote:
great > ?
stats > great
stats > brave
jangbi vs stats now
@1eris1
great> barracks to begin it
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United States5582 Posts
Nooo Jangbi shakes his head
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stats seems to have the advantage here imo, jangbi actually has a BUNCH of zealots.
BATTLE!!!! 3 reavers for janbgi, but not doing too much....
top gets pwnd with a storm
jangbi only has his reavers !!!!!!!
stats moving in!!!!
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Stats runs over Jangbi's army with great storms while Jangbi tries to reaver micro. He pulls back to his nat, but Stats is already taking a 4th.
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holy shit stats has so much shit lol
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stats getting a 4th and jangbi has almost nothing at the nat, Storm kills a bunch of whatever jangbi has left
its like, pretty over.. :L :L :L looses the reavers
GG
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Final battle at Jangbi's nat. Stats kills everything! Jangbi ggs. Allkill incoming? Or will Stork manage to reverse 3kill!?
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damn stats, really good micro
edit: meant macro.
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United States10328 Posts
silly op, not updating is for kids
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looks like stork's their only chance.
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jangbi...
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Japan11286 Posts
The OP is not updated for me, what's been happening? Have flash and stork played yet?
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The power of the chin!!!! This is what you get for not sending him instead of Action in the last ace match!!
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ok now Stork will have 3 tough oppenents.
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chintoss going for the AK
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stats all kill incoming hell yeah go for it stats ~~
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Current results:
Great > Barracks (9 pool vs 14CC)
Great < Stats (failed hydra bust into storms wrecking everything)
Brave < Stats (standard reaver/goon pvp)
Jangbi < Stats (pretty good back and forth PvP until the end)
3-1 KT
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On March 13 2011 14:24 c3rberUs wrote:
The OP is not updated for me, what's been happening? Have flash and stork played yet?
OP's gonna get banned/warned if he's not gonna update the thread sooner or later.
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Yeaaaaaa Stats bringin the pain!
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On March 13 2011 14:24 ]343[ wrote:
silly op, not updating is for kids
for real...
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OP makes thread and disappears????? Stats on the way to an AK? Wow.
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loool so stork needs to beat stats action flash?
GOOD LUCK lol
trying to take down the chin, god and mafia all in one night will be tough
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Stork is going to face 3 matchups but I doubt he can kill the final boss, let alone pass through the Chintoss or Mafiazerg. Oh well GL.
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I saw the fight in the middle and I was like where's Chintoss' units? Then the screen scrolled up and I was like WHOAAAA
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On March 13 2011 14:25 Musou wrote:
Current results:
Great > Barracks (5 pool vs 14CC)
Great < Stats (failed hydra bust into storms wrecking everything)
Brave < Stats (standard reaver/goon pvp)
Jangbi < Stats (pretty good back and forth PvP until the end)
3-1 KT
are you sure it was a 5 pool? i'm pretty sure it was a 9 pool
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On March 13 2011 14:28 NicksonReyes wrote:
Stork is going to face 3 matchups but I doubt he can kill the final boss, let alone pass through the Chintoss or Mafiazerg. Oh well GL.
Stork can do it
If he wasn't playing cellphone games
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stork seems to do poorly vs chintoss, lets see
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On March 13 2011 14:28 radialis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 14:25 Musou wrote:
Current results:
Great > Barracks (5 pool vs 14CC)
Great < Stats (failed hydra bust into storms wrecking everything)
Brave < Stats (standard reaver/goon pvp)
Jangbi < Stats (pretty good back and forth PvP until the end)
3-1 KT are you sure it was a 5 pool? i'm pretty sure it was a 9 pool
Could have been. I'm actually not too sure since I went to get a drink and missed it, but based on the replies on LR it could have been either.
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On March 13 2011 14:27 imperfect wrote:
loool so stork needs to beat stats action flash?
GOOD LUCK lol
trying to take down the chin, god and mafia all in one night will be tough
Yes he can! He gonna teach KT some respect!!!
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On March 13 2011 14:30 dukethegold wrote:
FINAL BOSS TIME.
FINAL TOSS TIME
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On March 13 2011 14:30 dukethegold wrote:
FINAL BOSS TIME.
Wrong player.
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On March 13 2011 14:29 Musou wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 14:28 radialis wrote:On March 13 2011 14:25 Musou wrote:
Current results:
Great > Barracks (5 pool vs 14CC)
Great < Stats (failed hydra bust into storms wrecking everything)
Brave < Stats (standard reaver/goon pvp)
Jangbi < Stats (pretty good back and forth PvP until the end)
3-1 KT are you sure it was a 5 pool? i'm pretty sure it was a 9 pool Could have been. I'm actually not too sure since I went to get a drink and missed it, but based on the replies on LR it could have been either.
yeah it was a 9 pool, i think some guy thought it was a 5 pool in the LR but it was definitely a 9 pool, the lings came just before barracks finished his rax (and this was a 14cc)
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Guys, so sorry for being AFK--got called away because brother locked himself out of the building and I was not at home at the time--now I am home and updating OP
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On March 13 2011 14:25 Musou wrote:
Current results:
Great > Barracks (5 pool vs 14CC)
Great < Stats (failed hydra bust into storms wrecking everything)
Brave < Stats (standard reaver/goon pvp)
Jangbi < Stats (pretty good back and forth PvP until the end)
3-1 KT
thank you for posting this
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On March 13 2011 14:30 dukethegold wrote:
FINAL BOSS TIME.
flash isn't out yet
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On March 13 2011 14:33 Musou wrote:Wrong player.
Yeah you're right, Tyson is the final boss and he's not playing in this match
Guessing Samsung 90% screwed but if there's someone who can pull it off it's Stork.
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Stork for Khan time for a reverse 3 kill =)
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Why do you guys think KT will send Action
please don't send Action send somebody competent like Perfective or Barracks
well then again send Action I wanna see Flash
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On March 13 2011 14:34 l0st_romantic wrote:
Guys, so sorry for being AFK--got called away because brother locked himself out of the building and I was not at home at the time--now I am home and updating OP
It's okay dude it's justifiable :d
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Stork yellow P@11, Stats red P@5
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On March 13 2011 14:36 hauton wrote:
Why do you guys think KT will send Action
please don't send Action send somebody competent like Perfective or Barracks
well then again send Action I wanna see Flash
are you trolling? barracks already lost for starters.
don't get me wrong, i think action is massively overrated but he is faaaar better than perfective or barracks. not to mention stork is pretty much a zerg punching bag.
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On March 13 2011 14:34 l0st_romantic wrote:
Guys, so sorry for being AFK--got called away because brother locked himself out of the building and I was not at home at the time--now I am home and updating OP
totally understand!
I got temp banned cause I failed to update the OP when my Internet connection died :'( I even told my friend to post for me that it died :[
Anyways, Stork for the reverse 3 KILL!
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Action is more likely on the next map given the ZvP stats of Icarus and Benzene. Both maps are relatively balanced for PvT so they'd probably send out Action first on Icarus since Z is better there.
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GO STORK!
It's time to show these new-fangled Tosses who's the real boss here...:7
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On March 13 2011 14:37 radialis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 14:36 hauton wrote:
Why do you guys think KT will send Action
please don't send Action send somebody competent like Perfective or Barracks
well then again send Action I wanna see Flash are you trolling? barracks already lost for starters. don't get me wrong, i think action is massively overrated but he is faaaar better than perfective or barracks. not to mention stork is pretty much a zerg punching bag.
...except for the part where Stork's got a PvZ record this season that's almost as good as Bisu's. So yeah, no. Although I agree that Action's better than roo/Perfective/whatever, and a better matchup than feeding the dinotoss a newb Terran.
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Stats guards his ramp with a zealot and probe until a goon comes out, hiding his second zealot. Stork guards his ramp with 2 zealots.
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Both players take their nat at almost the same time. Stats ahead by a few seconds.
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On March 13 2011 14:37 radialis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 14:36 hauton wrote:
Why do you guys think KT will send Action
please don't send Action send somebody competent like Perfective or Barracks
well then again send Action I wanna see Flash are you trolling? barracks already lost for starters. don't get me wrong, i think action is massively overrated but he is faaaar better than perfective or barracks. not to mention stork is pretty much a zerg punching bag.
bad streaming and no updated OP = "oh barracks lost"
anyways action is chokey mcchokestein so i really don't like seeing him in general
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Looks like mirror builds for both players (obs first robo)
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On March 13 2011 14:30 dukethegold wrote:
FINAL BOSS TIME.
lol everyone hating, remember that stork is part of the LeeSang TakBang too
plus stork is really good at pvp
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Why Stork is always good when playing against Bisu and Jaedong but not for the rest ?
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On March 13 2011 14:42 hauton wrote:
bad streaming and no updated OP = "oh barracks lost"
anyways action is chokey mcchokestein so i really don't like seeing him in general
-_- im sure everyone is trying as hard as they can
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lol I F5'd my stream to un-freeze it and when it came on I saw kpop for a second. Thought I had buffered into GG again
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Stork attempts to distract Stats with his main and snipe some probes with a reaver drop but Stats spots it and loses nothing.
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On March 13 2011 14:43 TheNessman wrote:lol everyone hating, remember that stork is part of the LeeSang TakBang too plus stork is really good at pvp
Violets 2-0 against the commander so he may be LSTB group but he's fallible and stat's is no new comer to pvp so lets stop spreading the hate and watch the game .
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49986 Posts
umm whats the score,the OP is not updated
Edit:well its updated in the most annoying way way.
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holy shit that reabo micro from stork
that was fucking amazing
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HUUUUUGE BLUNDER by stats, loses shuttle and reavers... storm didnt do much to Stork's reavers.
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Good God, the reaver micro!
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Ouch looks like Stats is in trouble!
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Stats loses the first engagement! Both his reavers got sniped by Stork's reavers. He pulls everything back. Stork with a commanding lead at the moment as he has already taken his third.
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storks reaver shuttle micro :o
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On March 13 2011 14:49 Musou wrote:
Stats loses the first engagement! Both his reavers got sniped by Stork's reavers. He pulls everything back. Stork with a commanding lead at the moment as he has already taken his third.
I see what you did there!
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On March 13 2011 14:44 tbrown47 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 14:42 hauton wrote:
bad streaming and no updated OP = "oh barracks lost"
anyways action is chokey mcchokestein so i really don't like seeing him in general -_- im sure everyone is trying as hard as they can
nah i'm blaming my internet connection not the streamers ^_^
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Stork's economy is flying, and Stats' 3rd keeps getting denied
Stats will need a very very decisive engagement win in order to get back in this, economic death incoming
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Stats ggs after losing another large engagement in the center, knowing he is behind on expos and army.
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that reaver control was just o.O
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i think action will come next, flash beeing final boss
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stats good try now bring on the mafia man........
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On March 13 2011 14:53 Elefanto wrote:
i think action will come next, flash beeing final boss
Yeah, I think so too! KT's line-up is really hard to predict.
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Brave's a rookie, and Jangbi's a slump artist.
Stork's the reliable best or second-best Protoss in the world.
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awwwww 
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Definitely action next. ZvP is much better on Icarus.
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Japan11286 Posts
stork at 9 and action at 11
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Action double expanding after pool, while Stork gets 2 cannons at his nat before his nexus.
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Does Stork purple power works in PvZ?
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Stork loses his first corsair to scourge after killing just 1 overlord.
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Stork loses his first sair to scourge :D
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If Action gets to 4 bases without any trouble, the game should get interesting...
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action intercepts the first corsair on his homeway after only scoring 1 overlord kill
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Action attempts to muta harass the nat, but Stork pulls probes instantly, losing nothing, and moves his corsairs to the nat to protect it. Action comes back for a second round, but again gets nothing as he's chased off by the sairs.
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muta harass incoming
Stork playing like a baller
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Action scores another corsair kill with some scourge as the mutas distract the corsairs. Stork dose a reaver/zealot drop, but Action pulls his probes immediately and loses only 1 drone and a few hydras.
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STORK SUCH A BEASTTTTTTT AHHHHH
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Shuttle and reaver escape with red hp! Corsairs massacre a few muta that were trying to intercept the shuttle. Stork attempts some more harass, but hydras lay in wait at Action's base. The shuttle runs right by a pack of hydra patrolling!
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Action tries to harass Stork's nat, but gets repelled by the 3 reavers waiting at the simcity. His corsairs fly around sniping more overlords.
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Action moves in right as Stork moves out with his reaver/shuttle and snipes it! Stork is moving out with a large army now, but Action is streaming many units toward Stork's base.
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Extremely unlucky time to push out... Stork loads up two reavers and exits out his main entrance, running into 10 hydras. Loses both reavers and shuttle for maybe 2 hydras....
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ouch the 2 reavers and the shuttle
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arg vlc error file blocks the screen lol
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Error in middle of screen =[
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Stork loses another shuttle as he drops the main with a couple templar and a zealot. A small pack of lings raid his warping in 3rd, but he cleans it up with his main army. As he retreats, he runs into Action's army and they engage!
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omg popup
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Action double expands to the 3 and 5 bases, while Stork takes a 4th as well at the 7.
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Stork spots the 5 with sairs and sends his army to raid it, but gets intercepted by Action's forces and is forced to pull back.
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both players thinking the same thing apparently, with the double exapnding..
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Action cleans up the raid at the 5, barely saving his hatch as Stork tries to snipe it with a reaver/shuttle.
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error error error soooo many errors
<3 craton lol
action's 4th gets owned but he saves his hatch barely!
stork's sair fleet is sizable now
action kindly shows us that he's upgrading adrenal glands
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Stork tries to raid the 5 again with his army, but gets forced back by lurkers on top of the ramp and more of Action's army heading down to supplement it.
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1030 people watching a big error message, with a sc game around it.
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Shuttle gets chased down by scourge and now the reavers are stranded. He manages to snipe the hatch!
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grrr craton's stream has that error box in the middle
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On March 13 2011 15:22 tbrown47 wrote:I am streaming at http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/tbrown47if the popup is extremely game-disrupting. However I doubt the quality of my stream is as good as Craton's. Also mine might crash and I'll be in a frothing rage. YOU DECIDE
thank you very much
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On March 13 2011 15:22 tbrown47 wrote:I am streaming at http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/tbrown47if the popup is extremely game-disrupting. However I doubt the quality of my stream is as good as Craton's. Also mine might crash and I'll be in a frothing rage. YOU DECIDE
i've been watching your stream the whole time
very reliable, thanks
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Damn, the error box didn't even flinch to the psi storm, damn...
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Stork's deathball is starting to hit critical mass. Action manages to snipe 3 reavers before pulling back!
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stork's shuttle is down but reavers are lolling outside it (on ramp of action's 4th)
action's 5th is up though
action sneaky hatch in the corner of bottom right lol?
stork's ball is pretty scary but action is macroing pretty well
33 kill reaver in bottom right lol bring a muta or something -_-
two hero reavers (14 and 33) go down!
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Stork carelessly lost four reavers due to lack of shuttle support
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Action streaming nonstop forces toward the center, wiping out Stork's army. Storms go off everywhere but they aren't enough! Stork's fresh HTs get caught away from the army by a fresh wave of reinforcements from Action! Stork's entire army gets decimated.
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oh shit stork
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Stork has mass cannons at every expo, trying to macro up a new army. He loses yet another reaver due to lack of support. Action throws a plague onto the remainder of Stork's army and forces him back!
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Why Stork didn't get any shuttles for those Reavers puzzled me, now he's in a pickle
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DEFILERS ARE HERE! and action snipes some templar, cleans up stork's army!!
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If only Stork managed to keep those five reavers alive...
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sloppy play from storm, losing drops in the early and amount of hts / reabo that are beeing sniped
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what? is action winning?!
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Stork attempts to take the 6 but a small group of lings kills his freshly warped pylon, cannons, and probe before he can start the nexus. He tries again with a small group of zealots protecting his probe, but it gets sniped. Action is all over the map.
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Action consuming lurkers just so he can plague the shuttle + reaver.
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Stork attempts to drop the base at 5 but gets chased off by scourge! He manages to drop off their loads before losing the shuttle, but another reaver is stranded!
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action consumes a hydra and a lurker to plague stork
it's 3 mining base to 1 or 2 for stork now...
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action on 6 bases now, stork on 4
he'll soon flood him to death : /
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Action snipes the base warping in at 6 once again and starts rallying units outside Stork's nat. Stork has only a tiny ball left.
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Basically on this map lurkers > all.
Maybe Stork should have tried carriers? :/
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Action hive play is fucking scary.
Stork going to mine out soon, action wont let him expand.
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Stork forced to unload his shuttles and lost everything...
Stork is in a really bad situation.
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Action's late game is shining!
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Action plagues everything. Stork has too many archons and is pushing back Action's army! Action has no defense at any of his bases, but Stork is slowly getting worn down.
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stork actually winning lolwut
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Stork still on 4 base, Actions 6 just got up
Stork attempts harass using 2 shuttles but it gets denied
Same with Stork's 5th
Stork not dying due to his nice group of blue balls
Stork attempting to break the nat!
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Action running low on units as Stork pushes into his nat! Hive is going to go down!
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what? i thought action was winning?
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Holy crap stork? How did this happen?
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Nat down! Action loses hive, stork still has most of his army
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wow Stork you are so good.
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Stork just took down the hive at 12
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massiv archon ball went through everrything lol
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Stork cleans up the rest of Action's main, destroying all his tech! At the same time, he's taking the 6 while protected by reavers.
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wtf Action messing up hardcore I guess..
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hOLY COW...
Stork is winning????O_______O
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What....just happened? Last thing I saw, Stork's army was surrounded by Action's, now he just ripped through action's main/nat o_O
maybe there is hope for stork =0
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good stork... now secure a base...... and its overrrr
2 reavers and a bunch of cannons defending a newly planted base at 6! some storms on actions drones catching a decent amount!
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Wow that shuttle had some moves
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damn at first i thought there was no way action was going to win then i thought it would be impossible for stork to win and now i think we're going to see flash
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Defiler mound down! Action attempting to counterattack by attacking Stork's new 5th, but two reavers + cannons stop Action from attempting to kill it
Stork doing some HT harass
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fuck yes stork vs flash incoming
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stork is chock-full of archons now though! action is forced to regroup
stork pushing into nat of action!
ahhh dead hydras, swarm, stork streaming zealots!
the hive is down in the nat!! action loses his main, rebuilding tech elsewhere!
stork takes 6 o'clock! action moves to deny it, but there are two reavers + cannons there now...
storm drops get like 8 drones
can action deal with this huge toss ball?
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EPIC PVZ. Stork truly showing his new mastery of his old nemesis.
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wow stork that was REALLY inefficient
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Lol stork carelessly maynards probes through Action's "army" camping in front of his expo
Action loses the camping units, still has a bunch of lurker/ling elsewhere
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Stork's archon ball is just tearing through everything Action has.
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Stork army ball going on rampage tour.
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man this game is epic. so back and forth
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storm takes out 4 lurkers
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JESUS.
That stop lurker scared me lol
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... and then Action decimates Stork's army. THIS GAME LOL
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fuck. horrible stop lurker positioning by action.
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Action attempts to expand between Stork's bases...
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Stork loses a bunch of units in the middle to lurker/ling! Apparently lacking minerals, Stork defending with archon/temp
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how the fuck, but action low on gas
1k minerals 50 gas lol
stork just needs to hold and gather a new army, and he'll be fine.
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and more craziness ensues.
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action making stork work to get probes to 6! he traps stork's army at 6?
stop lurker by action is a huge fail as he gets stormed
but he takes out stork's army! stork is down to 1 mining base!
stork still massing archons and templar but it's proving cost effective... lol action expands to the nat of stork's 6 base
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What? Stork vs Action still going? I tuned out when Stork killed Action's Hive. Thought it was over. Looks like Stork will win but...
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Action cleans up most of Stork's archon ball, but a huge group of HT just spawned! Action camps outside Stork's final base with his remaining army. An overlord spots the shuttle carrying 4 HT and forces it to turn back.
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I got up at 7 am to see stork vs flash
Stork u gotta take this somehow!
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Action...attempted to build a hatchery between 2 of stork's bases, that gets destroyed quickly
Action's defilerless army still holding ground against stork! Stork's army looking meager and Action still has 3 mining bases
Action still on lair
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Today is an epic day for BW games. omg....<3 this game lol
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The error box is the best thing to ever happen to BW.
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Action and Stork fighting over the last mining base. Storms take out most of Action's army, but Stork loses almost everything in return. More units reinforcing for both sides!
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On March 13 2011 15:40 KasPra wrote:
I got up at 7 am to see stork vs flash
Stork u gotta take this somehow!
no Action needs to win this now!
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Action ggs after running out of units!
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On March 13 2011 15:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 15:40 KasPra wrote:
I got up at 7 am to see stork vs flash
Stork u gotta take this somehow! no Action needs to win this now!
KT will win anyway dude relax
stork with a nice stormdrop ^_^
GG!!!
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Stork storming everything gg
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stork spamming templar! action is outside stork's 6 base and almost snipes the shuttle with templar in it... and again!
action morphs a lair finally! so low on gas :/
stork spends two storms to kill 5 drones
wow he still has so much storm though
stork... storms a hatchery?????? action in a bad position now though
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god damnit action please die
€: finally
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gg by action
wtf stork so much gas...
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GG SONG BYUNG GOO HWAITING
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INSANITY!!!!!!!!!
STORK STORK STORK
BEST SC GAME IN RECENT MEMORY!!!
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WOW! What a volatile intense game. Both players were sweating bullets.
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Yes! Carriers and Goliaths today!
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Easily the most epic error message ever. I expect it on the PR next month.
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Action GG's! What an intense game. It was so back and forth. This was the first game in a while that made me show a lot of outward emotion while watching. XD
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On March 13 2011 15:43 dukethegold wrote:
INSANITY!!!!!!!!!
STORK STORK STORK
BEST SC GAME IN RECENT MEMORY!!!
last time action played this sort of style against bisu, action won :o
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low econ PvZ. Flashbacks to Stork vs Jaedong.
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what are the results so far??
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What a surprise. Flash is up next :0
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ugh,if action won the crazies wouldn't swarm all over.
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And if KT decides to troll by sending someone not Flash.
Remember Iron vs someone in some ace long ago?
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That was an EPIC game. Error boxes for everyone!!!
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On March 13 2011 15:44 Wala.Revolution wrote:
And if KT decides to troll by sending someone not Flash.
Remember Iron vs someone in some ace long ago?
example of the people I spoke of in my previous post.
honestly,we still have perfective to deal with stork.
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On March 13 2011 15:44 Wala.Revolution wrote:
And if KT decides to troll by sending someone not Flash.
Remember Iron vs someone in some ace long ago?
It was Iron sent to snipe Flash. But he got Stats instead.
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Really tense but not that good of a game. Stork had it and then he almost threw it away by attacking the main instead of the mining bases.
Still glad that we can see Stork vs Flash now
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Here we go! Don't get 3 gate proxied!
On March 13 2011 15:47 etheovermind wrote:
STork vs flash is going to be a heart-stopper.
the last one wasn't.
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STork vs flash is going to be a heart-stopper.
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Man stork's pvz is so frustrating....
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On March 13 2011 15:40 KasPra wrote:
I got up at 7 am to see stork vs flash
Stork u gotta take this somehow!
Wait is that a KT Rolster icon I see you have???????
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Sorry to be off topic but do you guys know the song they play right after each games?
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On March 13 2011 15:44 iPood wrote:
what are the results so far??
+ Show Spoiler +great>BarrackS
great< Stats
Brave< Stats
Jangbi < Stats
Stork > Stats
Stork > Action
Khan 3-3 KT
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This error message needs to be nerfed.
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On March 13 2011 15:47 phosphorylation wrote:
Man stork's pvz is so frustrating....
I think its more like SvX
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FLASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOGOGOOGOGOGOGOGOG SO EXCITED TIME TO DOMINATE AND GO 2400+ AGAIN!
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can someone please stream it, cratons stream is lagging and has an error
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On March 13 2011 15:48 baoluvboa wrote:
Sorry to be off topic but do you guys know the song they play right after each games?
Sick Puppies - Cancer
honestly how hard is it to google lyrics?
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Stork for reverse all kill! Go go go!!
edit forgot only 3 kill
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i wonder... will flash blind rax cc again lol?
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On March 13 2011 15:51 ShadeR wrote:
i wonder... will flash blind rax cc again lol?
I don't doubt it.
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lagging for me
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On March 13 2011 15:52 radialis wrote:lagging for me
for me too but I guess you have to live with it.
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On March 13 2011 15:52 radialis wrote:lagging for me
yea my laptop is starting to get kinda hot, LoL
sorry if it lags, cant do anything about it : /
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Not even a stork fan, but can't wait to see him handle this noob.
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Putting up my stream as a backup. Connection sucks so it probably lags.
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On March 13 2011 15:53 tbrown47 wrote:yea my laptop is starting to get kinda hot, LoL sorry if it lags, cant do anything about it : /
my laptop is too hot to touch atm lol. i just moved to another cooler room
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Flash is gonna pwn I think... for the sole reason of preserving my liquibet winstreak
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OMG HIS RULER, HIS TWITCH, HIS POCARI SWEAT. FLASH WILL NOT LOSE
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omg.. please win this flash. hope i don't get a heart attack :O
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Error message making me sad
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Oh god, I am as nervous as hell.
This is it. Can Stork prove himself as the last remaining player on earth that can stand up against Flash in a consistent manner?
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Am I a bad person for being amused that Flash's ID is actually KT Flash now?
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forward rax and early gas for flash
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Flash top right, Stork bottom left
Proxy barracks by Flash?
Stork going gate first
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On March 13 2011 15:56 salito wrote:
Stork will cheese again.
Stork has never cheesed flash ever.. unless u count ninja expos
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On March 13 2011 15:57 ShadeR wrote:Stork has never cheesed flash ever.. unless u count ninja expos
yeah 3 proxy gate isn't cheese pfft
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THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR YEA
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On March 13 2011 15:57 ShadeR wrote:Stork has never cheesed flash ever.. unless u count ninja expos
4 gate all in? Pretty cheesy.
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On March 13 2011 15:57 ShadeR wrote:Stork has never cheesed flash ever.. unless u count ninja expos
Um lol? Stork has DT rushed him and forward proxy gate him last two times they played.
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On March 13 2011 15:57 ShadeR wrote:Stork has never cheesed flash ever.. unless u count ninja expos
Proxy 4 gate butt naked right into the center.
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On March 13 2011 15:57 ShadeR wrote:Stork has never cheesed flash ever.. unless u count ninja expos
he had that double gas steal into 3 gate proxy. not sure if that's counted as cheese though?
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On March 13 2011 15:57 ShadeR wrote:Stork has never cheesed flash ever.. unless u count ninja expos
In the previous game kt vs khan stork went 4 gate power goon and destroyed flash before siege mode was finish so it's definitely some kind of a cheese in my opinion.
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On March 13 2011 15:57 ShadeR wrote:Stork has never cheesed flash ever.. unless u count ninja expos
U sure? last Stork vs Flash?
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On March 13 2011 15:58 a7choi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 15:57 ShadeR wrote:On March 13 2011 15:56 salito wrote:
Stork will cheese again. Stork has never cheesed flash ever.. unless u count ninja expos he had that double gas steal into 3 gate proxy. not sure if that's counted as cheese though?
If anything that is cheese lol
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Flash starting his factory, Stork going nex
Stork forces his zealot past 3 marines + SCV to scout Flash's finished factory
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Proxy rax...was probably expecting 12 nexus...will likely bunker rush anyway
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Both players going for builds I don't recognize T_T
or least Stork is. Flash just has a strange rax placement.....unless he's going for an aggressive push o_o
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LOL wth, i was about to sleep and Flash vs stork comes up.
FU daylight savings
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uh ohhhh.. flash's expo will be a bit late
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Flash bunker rushing Stork's completed expo!
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nope not cheese flash insisted on blind rax cc. same thing as stork vs jaedong on protoss plains. punishing cc first build
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Flash's marines/SCVs/2 vults kill some probes and succeed in getting the bunker up, nex is dead
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the ultimate cheeser returns!
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On March 13 2011 16:00 smekz wrote:
look who's cheesin' :D
stork is freaking cheesy himself man, particularly against S class players
4 proxy gates flash then builds 3 gateways in jaedong's main
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lol this reminds me of flash vs lucifer
except stork isn't as bad as lucifer, and flash doesn't have a cc up yet
he begins his cc
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On March 13 2011 16:01 radialis wrote:stork is freaking cheesy himself man, particularly against S class players 4 proxy gates flash then builds 3 gateways in jaedong's main
i think it was his nat  stork has the ballsiest cheeses lol
... but it's still cheese
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Stork cleans up the bunker and takes his expo right away. Flash mines up outside Stork's nat and brings a siege tank up above while bunkering to protect the tank.
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Nexus abandoned. Stork lost quite a few probes during that encounter.
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bunker rush just finishes off stork nexus at natural while flash is gaining map control with vultures as it is spreading his mines all over the map.
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you people throw around the word cheese without knowing what it is...
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Flash has a tank and mines right in front of Stork's nat
Correction, tank is above Stork's nat
Expecting siege mode next?
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On March 13 2011 15:58 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 15:57 ShadeR wrote:On March 13 2011 15:56 salito wrote:
Stork will cheese again. Stork has never cheesed flash ever.. unless u count ninja expos In the previous game kt vs khan stork went 4 gate power goon and destroyed flash before siege mode was finish so it's definitely some kind of a cheese in my opinion.
It wasnt cheese, but it was definitely an all-in.
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CONTAIN!!!
flash throwing down another bunker outside storks nat
protected by mines
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Flash going for a command center after his bunker defence was defeated by a 6 goons and 1 zealot .
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Am I the only one who thinks Flash is trying to stop/delay Stork from getting carriers with this build?
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Stork loses 2 goons to mines as he tries to push out and retake his nat! Siege finishes and Flash snipes another goon!
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damn what the fuck? flash so baller!
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On March 13 2011 16:02 ShadeR wrote:
you people throw around the word cheese without knowing what it is...
well this time it sort of is..just sort of i mean its more rush than cheese.
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Flash makes everything look so damn easy. After seeing that rush I feel like I could bunker rush Stork -.-
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stork feeding goons into flash containt looks like stork is finish ...
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hmm...I like what Flash is doing. It's really innovative and makes use of the map's features. Stork doesn't see this coming, however =\
Stork's goons get owned, I predict a gg from Stork soon >.<
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Flash attempting to build more bunkers and push into Stork's nat while protected by tanks! Stork throwing away many goons as he tries to break the contain.
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Mines take out a zealot and half the dragoons. Flash looking in a commanding position at this point.
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Flash happily shoving tanks down Stork's throat at this point, sieged tank above nat is really making this into a chokehold
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flash flashing it up, stork storking it up
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Flash is too good. Flawless execution giving no chances to stork
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stork losing 2 goons trying to snipe the tank
fails still
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Flash building a starport and now containing Stork with everything. Stork sneaks a shuttle over toward Flash's expo, but Flash is already building turrets everywhere.
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damn flash such a baller. i can't believe how good he is at this game.
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Flash: You rush me I rush you
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ballsy decision to harass...
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Stork loses his nat once again and has to pull back with his shuttle in the red without doing any damage at all.
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stork's reaver/shuttle micro is imba..
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Flash adds another siege tank and another bunker with turret to reinforce his contained while stork is helpless not knowing what to do except building goons .
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reaver from stork killing a tank
the shuttle heads to flash's base
storks nat nexus might go down again soon
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Stork killing the neutral generators in desperation, but he has no splash so it won't do anything.
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Very well executed build order by Flash...can't see Stork winning this despite some impressive micro.
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Stork loses his nat again, he is going for a last-ditch reaver harass
Flash turreting up though, this is going to fail
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Stork sneaks out a probe to take the 6 with a shuttle, but loses his goon and reaver to a wraith, vulture, and a few tanks.
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flash mines + bunker right outside stork's nat
and a tank on the ledge
gl stork getting out of that, though the nex is going up again
LOL stork moves out after drawing mines... and loses all his goons
obs is out finally!
coach lee and hery are pretty happy while hot-forever claps
shuttle is out!
flash putting up 3rd factory
stork takes out ledge tank but his nat is getting sieged
reaver is out!
flash bunkers forward a bit
pretty good reaver micro by stork gets a tank and a rine
flash turreting up + a starport, but won't be in time for.. shuttle is here! and totally rejected lol
flash has a depot in stork's choke LOL solidifying the contain
stork 2 shuttles, elevatoring out... loses goons to mines
he takes 2nd base at 6.5, which flash has forces sitting outside
shuttle sniped by wraith but reaver/goon get out
goons clear mines at 6.5, elevators more out
flash pulling some tanks back home
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Stork's gg timing is so late
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Flash spots the base at 6 with his vultures and mines up outside it. Stork continues using shuttles to transfer probes out from his main.
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Stork expanding elsewhere, Flash spots it, 8 tank force incoming vs Stork's last army of goons/2 shuttles
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Flash has more tanks than Stork has goons at this point, but he's not pressing the issue.
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Stork goons clearing up in the middle of map with his 1 group control of goons while flash still maintains his contained position.
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If stork wins this, I don't know what screwed up flash.
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Flash just demolishing Stork from now on =/
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Flash gets caught out of position with his tanks unsieged and loses about 2/3 of them, but he manages to kill most of Stork's army anyway.
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flash moving his tank force into stork group but lost a huge amount of it as stork brought has reaver to take out a substantial amount of it .
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Beautiful defense by Stork, but I doubt it even matters...
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HOLY HELL HOW DID STORK PULL THAT OFF?
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Stork with some great reaver micro cleaning up a lot of Flash's army, but Flash has just too much stuff and is sieging Stork's only mining base.
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Oh wow stork still trying nice!
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Stork...somehow kills 12+ tanks with goon/reaver, not sure how the hell he held that
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seriously what the fuck. stork is so fucking good i dont know what to say. who the fuck wouldve survived that?
protoss just 1a2a3a? think again
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Stork loses his reaver attempting to drop Flash's freshly built third! He has almost nothing left to defend.
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United States10328 Posts
flash sees the 2nd nexus. he's sieged up in his own nat
double shuttle ferry for stork
oops wraiths but flash flanks goons with tanks!
wow stork beats flash's tanks!
four more tanks appear LOL
flash sieging up 6.5 but stork's reaver so good!
stork saves the base! flash's tanks down but he's taking a 3rd. he sees stork doesn't have a 3rd though!
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3 shuttles... where are the goliaths flash?
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stork is so fucking clutch sometimes, even though he's losing he's doing something I'm goddamn sure most protosses wouldn't be able to even in practice vs normal terrans, let alone in an ace match vs flash
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epic micro by stork but i dont think it will be enough
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Flash harassing 6 oclock base with 2 tanks and stork countering that push by bringing his reavers to harassed the new base flash was building at 3 .
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Holy shit...Stork may not win this, but he just won my heart.
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nothing stork does can win him this game.. but damn his micro is epic
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Stork fighting with his last stand, but he literally has nothing left against Flash's massive army. He loses everything as Flash continues pushing in with more and more units.
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Stork ggs! Flash takes it for KT!
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Hero wraith kills Stork's shuttles, Stork can no longer break Flash's tanks
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flash doesn't even care about his army and micros his wraith to take out the shuttle
this is over, gg by stork
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eat it stork you cheesy mofo lol
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Stork appears to be always so volatile to early game aggression, pffff...
the day when Flash gets screwed badly I will buy a bottle of champagne and drink it in one gulp.
But Stork is just not the man.
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Amazing micro by Stork but unfortunately he was just too far behind to come back.
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Well, we fought the good fight.
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HOW DID STORK HOLD OUT FOR THAT LONG
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Dat was some hawt micro there from Stork.
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YES FLASHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SO FKIN GOOD
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On March 13 2011 16:13 letian wrote:
Stork appears to be always so volatile to early game aggression, pffff...
the day when Flash gets screwed badly I will buy a bottle of champagne and drink it in one gulp.
But Stork is just not the man.
he did 14 nex right?
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Thank you musou ,craton and tbrown for the streaming and KT FOR MAKING MY DAY XD.
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this is like that old game between boxer and ??? on that island map
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That was awesome. Go Flash ^^
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Wow Stork is sick, most protosses would have gged long ago
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Fuck yes flash is just too good
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HELL YES FINAL BOSSSSS OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
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you have to give credit to stork for playing that well. but Flash is just TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. gg.
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On March 13 2011 16:13 Toadily wrote:
HOW DID STORK HOLD OUT FOR THAT LONG
stork's reaver by itself > hiya
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On March 13 2011 16:13 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:13 letian wrote:
Stork appears to be always so volatile to early game aggression, pffff...
the day when Flash gets screwed badly I will buy a bottle of champagne and drink it in one gulp.
But Stork is just not the man. he did 14 nex right?
No, that was a 1-gate expand.
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Flash so good, stork give a good fight even though he was behind
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That was a kinda 1-sided game; Shows how dominant Flash's TvP is. I do have to say that Stork put up a good fight; he certainly lasted a lot longer than I thought he would. ^^;
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valiant battle but Flash just too good. GG
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49986 Posts
another day in the life of KT.
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Sometimes willpower isnt enough
That said, can anyone beat raging Flash? No? Thought so...
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Action: snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
Oh well at least we got to see Flash plough through Stork like an I95 sign pole
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Well fought, Stork may have been able to make a comeback against a lesser Terran despite the huge early game setbacks.
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Very good fight by Stork, but it just wasn't enough.
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Really good effort from Stork, that reaver micro was beautiful.
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Damn, Stork with amazing control! Too bad he was so far behind. ><"
Flash as amazing as ever. GG.
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YESS FLASH!! omg flash is TOO GOOD!
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stork put up such a good fight to delay the inevitable
i think flash expected stork to do a relatively early nexus, he was definitely prepared when he saw it
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storkuuuuuuuuuuu ntntnt
good games tonight
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Roflpwn by Flash! Yay for my liquibet!
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On March 13 2011 16:13 Musoeun wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:13 Scaramanga wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 letian wrote:
Stork appears to be always so volatile to early game aggression, pffff...
the day when Flash gets screwed badly I will buy a bottle of champagne and drink it in one gulp.
But Stork is just not the man. he did 14 nex right? No, that was a 1-gate expand.
To specify, gate-nex-gas, not the standard 1 gate expo.
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On March 13 2011 16:13 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:13 letian wrote:
Stork appears to be always so volatile to early game aggression, pffff...
the day when Flash gets screwed badly I will buy a bottle of champagne and drink it in one gulp.
But Stork is just not the man. he did 14 nex right?
oh? I didn't see the beginning, well then it was the most stupid thing for him to do on a 1x1 map against Flash. TT
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On March 13 2011 16:13 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:13 letian wrote:
Stork appears to be always so volatile to early game aggression, pffff...
the day when Flash gets screwed badly I will buy a bottle of champagne and drink it in one gulp.
But Stork is just not the man. he did 14 nex right?
pretty sure he built a gateway before nex
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On March 13 2011 16:13 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:13 letian wrote:
Stork appears to be always so volatile to early game aggression, pffff...
the day when Flash gets screwed badly I will buy a bottle of champagne and drink it in one gulp.
But Stork is just not the man. he did 14 nex right?
were you watching the game? he did gate first and Flash did a proxy barracks, Flash pulled a bunch of SCVs to kill Stork's nexus
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That game really was unreal.
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in the end sublime shuttle play doesn't offset loseing two nexii
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On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese.
That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus.
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Is it just me or did it seam like flash threw away so many units when he could have seiged, pushed with more care and ended it way sooner? seamed really strange to me
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Flash let his shuttle-sniping wraiths carelessly fly over 2 roaming groups of goons and allowed for the shuttles to have free reign for longer than they should have. Once he safely got a wraith to the 2nd base of Stork, the win was sealed. Great hold by Stork, though, was impressed with how well he was dealing with the situation.
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ahhhhhhhhh stork....
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Flash was so far ahead after taking out Stork's nat twice that it didn't even matter what he threw away.
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On March 13 2011 16:15 scrubtastic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:13 Scaramanga wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 letian wrote:
Stork appears to be always so volatile to early game aggression, pffff...
the day when Flash gets screwed badly I will buy a bottle of champagne and drink it in one gulp.
But Stork is just not the man. he did 14 nex right? were you watching the game? he did gate first and Flash did a proxy barracks, Flash pulled a bunch of SCVs to kill Stork's nexus
no i wasnt, i came in when flash was a moving with scvs and marines towards storks nat, hence the ?
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@OP, good to see you kind-of-updated--finish the job
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I'm pretty sure Flash has not lost a single game this season when he is the last player for his team. Ultimate clutch.
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That was a really cool strategy employed by flash, great abuse of Benzene's long choke to contain Stork.
Likewise, great adaptation by stork with mass shuttle play. His shuttle micro was very impressive this game, and i'd love to see if shuttles used like that more often.
Overall, great game, if a little one sided. KT and Khan are my #1 and #2 teams to root for, so watching them play is always a little nerve wracking. Still, solid series, with several good games.
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Painful to watch stork suffer such a beating after his hard fought game 6.
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That mine which killed two of Stork's four early goons was huge. So was the clutch repair that left the second (or third ) containment tank at 5hp.
If Stork didn't step on the mine, he may have been able to do something about the contain.
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totally unplayable, scv should be 40 life. When toss do 1 gate expand or 14nex they can lose straightaway to scvs, terran can't lose unless to unscouted 4 gate.
User was temp banned for this post.
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regular protoss could have gg'ed earlier but stork showed great micro and held out till the very end. gg!
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On March 13 2011 16:15 Scaramanga wrote:
Is it just me or did it seam like flash threw away so many units when he could have seiged, pushed with more care and ended it way sooner? seamed really strange to me
Yeah a few goliaths instead of wraiths and he wouldnt have lost so many units to stork dropping on him constantly. Wraiths are ok, but they get sniped too fast, and its not like he needed to chase shuttles here (where wraiths would be optimal), he just needed to protect his tanks.
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On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus.
yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right?
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Isn't Protoss supposed to abandon an early expo if Terran brings that many SCVs? Like, let the Terran kill the nexus and avoid losing any probes?
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I have a feeling that if Stork have gotten a shuttle RIGHT in the beginning and then build a nexus at that location, he could potentially be in a better situation.
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I was impressed with how Stork handled that. He is the only toss that can handle Flash like that imo.
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On March 13 2011 16:17 Baddieko wrote:
totally unplayable, scv should be 40 life. When toss do 1 gate expand or 14nex they can lose straightaway to scvs, terran can't lose unless to 4 gate.
in that case scv's should be able to independently regain life
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On March 13 2011 16:15 Scaramanga wrote:
Is it just me or did it seam like flash threw away so many units when he could have seiged, pushed with more care and ended it way sooner? seamed really strange to me
I think b/c he was 2 base vs 1 base for such a long time he just didn't care at some point. He probably thought if he just keeps trading armies he will win eventually. When he noticed things could get out of hand he immediately switched to "ok ok, ima kill you".
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On March 13 2011 16:17 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:15 Scaramanga wrote:
Is it just me or did it seam like flash threw away so many units when he could have seiged, pushed with more care and ended it way sooner? seamed really strange to me Yeah a few goliaths instead of wraiths and he wouldnt have lost so many units to stork dropping on him constantly. Wraiths are ok, but they get sniped too fast, and its not like he needed to chase shuttles here (where wraiths would be optimal), he just needed to protect his tanks.
meh. didn't really matter. flash was so ahead i don't think he even cared for his units
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On March 13 2011 16:17 Severedevil wrote:
Isn't Protoss supposed to abandon an early expo if Terran brings that many SCVs? Like, let the Terran kill the nexus and avoid losing any probes?
if micro'd carefully, protoss can still handle the rush. flash just had some really good scv micro and was able to trap stork's dragoon
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On March 13 2011 16:18 a7choi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:17 moopie wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Scaramanga wrote:
Is it just me or did it seam like flash threw away so many units when he could have seiged, pushed with more care and ended it way sooner? seamed really strange to me Yeah a few goliaths instead of wraiths and he wouldnt have lost so many units to stork dropping on him constantly. Wraiths are ok, but they get sniped too fast, and its not like he needed to chase shuttles here (where wraiths would be optimal), he just needed to protect his tanks. meh. didn't really matter. flash was so ahead i don't think he even cared for his units
Well yeah it didn't matter too much for the outcome, but still bothered me. 3 shuttles, no goliaths, constantly dropping zealot/goon on his sieged tanks. :/
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On March 13 2011 16:18 radialis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:17 Baddieko wrote:
totally unplayable, scv should be 40 life. When toss do 1 gate expand or 14nex they can lose straightaway to scvs, terran can't lose unless to 4 gate. in that case scv's should be able to independently regain life
definitely they could by paying peanuts. Thats the crazy part.
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On March 13 2011 16:16 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I'm pretty sure Flash has not lost a single game this season when he is the last player for his team. Ultimate clutch.
I hope you mean the WL season because if you don't then you forget things so soon. First day of the 2010-2011 Proleague, remember it.
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On March 13 2011 16:19 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:18 a7choi wrote:On March 13 2011 16:17 moopie wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Scaramanga wrote:
Is it just me or did it seam like flash threw away so many units when he could have seiged, pushed with more care and ended it way sooner? seamed really strange to me Yeah a few goliaths instead of wraiths and he wouldnt have lost so many units to stork dropping on him constantly. Wraiths are ok, but they get sniped too fast, and its not like he needed to chase shuttles here (where wraiths would be optimal), he just needed to protect his tanks. meh. didn't really matter. flash was so ahead i don't think he even cared for his units Well yeah it didn't matter too much for the outcome, but still bothered me. 3 shuttles, no goliaths, constantly dropping zealot/goon on his sieged tanks. :/
i guess. i'm pretty sure if flash didn't have such a huge lead, he would've played much more carefully with a better unit composition to respond to the 3 shuttles haha
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Folks, let's not lose sight of the fact that Stork LOST. If this were Mike Tomlin and the Steelers, he'd be giving a lecture right now about the uselessness of moral victories. This reminds me of people praising Hiya for going nukes on Free. Who gives a damn? He lost. Almost only counts in horse shoes, horse shit (stepping in vs. not) and hand grenades.
On the other hand, all congrats to Flash on getting revenge. I suspect this is why he couldn't smile after the Jaedong game. He wanted this one more.
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On March 13 2011 16:15 Scaramanga wrote:
Is it just me or did it seam like flash threw away so many units when he could have seiged, pushed with more care and ended it way sooner? seamed really strange to me
ya after he killed 2 nat's nexus, seems like he isnt trying.
the whole wraith thing was "lololol, no goliaths needed"
Also there was a huge cliff between 6's low ground and Stork's main, I think Flash can just hold some wraiths there that probably complete shut down shuttles and secure low ground better. but he won, so w/e.
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On March 13 2011 16:17 SkelA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese. That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus. yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right?
Depends what you consider cheese. Stork's build in that game was preplanned. He went into the game with the intention of doing a 4-gate all-in after forcing Flash to 1rax expand with double gas steal. I'd consider that cheese since Flash didn't scout it and therefore lost. On the other hand, in tonight's game, Flash scouted the quick expansion and decided to respond with a bunker rush. Stork's zealot saw the rush coming, but he mismicroed his first goon and lost it, while getting no kills with his zealot that was in Flash's main instead of pulling it back to chase marines, thus costing him his nat.
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On March 13 2011 16:17 SkelA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese. That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus. yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right?
i missed this games bunker rush but last game with the 3 proxy gates was not cheese. flash much like jaedong insisted on blind cc/ hatcher first builds and stork said no.
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konadora
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eh... what's the results so far? OP isn't updated :/
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On March 13 2011 16:22 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:17 SkelA wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese. That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus. yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right? i missed this games bunker rush but last game with the 3 proxy gates was not cheese. flash much like jaedong insisted on blind cc/ hatcher first builds and stork said no.
It wasn't a blind cc. He responded to Stork's gas steal with a 1 rax cc, and then Stork stole his nat gas as well, thus delaying siege.
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On March 13 2011 16:20 Monkeyshark wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:16 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I'm pretty sure Flash has not lost a single game this season when he is the last player for his team. Ultimate clutch. I hope you mean the WL season because if you don't then you forget things so soon. First day of the 2010-2011 Proleague, remember it.
Yeah, it was awhile ago and I'd forgotten, fair enough. No need to be so aggressive though, mate.
Still, by far the best record in "ace" matches of any player. Like a 98% record lol.
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On March 13 2011 16:21 Musou wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:17 SkelA wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese. That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus. yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right? Depends what you consider cheese. Stork's build in that game was preplanned. He went into the game with the intention of doing a 4-gate all-in after forcing Flash to 1rax expand with double gas steal. I'd consider that cheese since Flash didn't scout it and therefore lost. On the other hand, in tonight's game, Flash scouted the quick expansion and decided to respond with a bunker rush. Stork's zealot saw the rush coming, but he mismicroed his first goon and lost it, while getting no kills with his zealot that was in Flash's main instead of pulling it back to chase marines, thus costing him his nat.
yeah no... it was response to blind rax cc.... and has been used on jeadong when he goes similiar 12 hatch...
it good you know that cheese is preplanned though..
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On March 13 2011 16:25 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:21 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:17 SkelA wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese. That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus. yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right? Depends what you consider cheese. Stork's build in that game was preplanned. He went into the game with the intention of doing a 4-gate all-in after forcing Flash to 1rax expand with double gas steal. I'd consider that cheese since Flash didn't scout it and therefore lost. On the other hand, in tonight's game, Flash scouted the quick expansion and decided to respond with a bunker rush. Stork's zealot saw the rush coming, but he mismicroed his first goon and lost it, while getting no kills with his zealot that was in Flash's main instead of pulling it back to chase marines, thus costing him his nat. yeah no... it was response to blind rax cc.... and has been used on jeadong when he goes similiar 12 hatch... it good you know that cheese is preplanned though..
pretty sure rax cc is standard after a gas steal...????
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It wasn't "good micro". It was "bad gg timing".
Seriously, that game was over for a while. Stork might as well have gotten scouts. Just because he can do some damage against a non-air-attacking army doesn't mean he ever had a real chance.
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On March 13 2011 16:23 Musou wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:22 ShadeR wrote:On March 13 2011 16:17 SkelA wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese. That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus. yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right? i missed this games bunker rush but last game with the 3 proxy gates was not cheese. flash much like jaedong insisted on blind cc/ hatcher first builds and stork said no. It wasn't a blind cc. He responded to Stork's gas steal with a 1 rax cc, and then Stork stole his nat gas as well, thus delaying siege.
what so anticipating oppenents build and responding correctly is cheese or?
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On March 13 2011 16:19 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:18 a7choi wrote:On March 13 2011 16:17 moopie wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Scaramanga wrote:
Is it just me or did it seam like flash threw away so many units when he could have seiged, pushed with more care and ended it way sooner? seamed really strange to me Yeah a few goliaths instead of wraiths and he wouldnt have lost so many units to stork dropping on him constantly. Wraiths are ok, but they get sniped too fast, and its not like he needed to chase shuttles here (where wraiths would be optimal), he just needed to protect his tanks. meh. didn't really matter. flash was so ahead i don't think he even cared for his units Well yeah it didn't matter too much for the outcome, but still bothered me. 3 shuttles, no goliaths, constantly dropping zealot/goon on his sieged tanks. :/
He went wraith to combat dropship (was only half effective due to bad control, though). It doesn't make sense to go wraith and gol to counter.
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On March 13 2011 16:21 Musou wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:17 SkelA wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese. That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus. yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right? Depends what you consider cheese. Stork's build in that game was preplanned. He went into the game with the intention of doing a 4-gate all-in after forcing Flash to 1rax expand with double gas steal. I'd consider that cheese since Flash didn't scout it and therefore lost. On the other hand, in tonight's game, Flash scouted the quick expansion and decided to respond with a bunker rush. Stork's zealot saw the rush coming, but he mismicroed his first goon and lost it, while getting no kills with his zealot that was in Flash's main instead of pulling it back to chase marines, thus costing him his nat.
are u serious? lmao
ggs, khan needs a protoss sniper asap
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On March 13 2011 16:25 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:25 ShadeR wrote:On March 13 2011 16:21 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:17 SkelA wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese. That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus. yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right? Depends what you consider cheese. Stork's build in that game was preplanned. He went into the game with the intention of doing a 4-gate all-in after forcing Flash to 1rax expand with double gas steal. I'd consider that cheese since Flash didn't scout it and therefore lost. On the other hand, in tonight's game, Flash scouted the quick expansion and decided to respond with a bunker rush. Stork's zealot saw the rush coming, but he mismicroed his first goon and lost it, while getting no kills with his zealot that was in Flash's main instead of pulling it back to chase marines, thus costing him his nat. yeah no... it was response to blind rax cc.... and has been used on jeadong when he goes similiar 12 hatch... it good you know that cheese is preplanned though.. pretty sure rax cc is standard after a gas steal...????
Correct, which is why it was not a blind rax cc as I stated earlier.
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On March 13 2011 16:25 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:25 ShadeR wrote:On March 13 2011 16:21 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:17 SkelA wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese. That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus. yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right? Depends what you consider cheese. Stork's build in that game was preplanned. He went into the game with the intention of doing a 4-gate all-in after forcing Flash to 1rax expand with double gas steal. I'd consider that cheese since Flash didn't scout it and therefore lost. On the other hand, in tonight's game, Flash scouted the quick expansion and decided to respond with a bunker rush. Stork's zealot saw the rush coming, but he mismicroed his first goon and lost it, while getting no kills with his zealot that was in Flash's main instead of pulling it back to chase marines, thus costing him his nat. yeah no... it was response to blind rax cc.... and has been used on jeadong when he goes similiar 12 hatch... it good you know that cheese is preplanned though.. pretty sure rax cc is standard after a gas steal...????
Yup, gas steal leaves the terran having to expand or being way behind on his factory tech (while needlessly hoarding mins)
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On March 13 2011 16:25 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:21 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:17 SkelA wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese. That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus. yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right? Depends what you consider cheese. Stork's build in that game was preplanned. He went into the game with the intention of doing a 4-gate all-in after forcing Flash to 1rax expand with double gas steal. I'd consider that cheese since Flash didn't scout it and therefore lost. On the other hand, in tonight's game, Flash scouted the quick expansion and decided to respond with a bunker rush. Stork's zealot saw the rush coming, but he mismicroed his first goon and lost it, while getting no kills with his zealot that was in Flash's main instead of pulling it back to chase marines, thus costing him his nat. yeah no... it was response to blind rax cc.... and has been used on jeadong when he goes similiar 12 hatch... it good you know that cheese is preplanned though..
It was not a response to blind rax CC. The gas steal always comes before the rax finishes and there's literally no way to say flash was going to blind rax cc in that game. He literally cannot get enough gas and the only thing he can do with his minerals is either build more barracks (In a tvp, lol), a bunker, and a CC. Guess what that means? He builds a bunker and a cc and that's rax cc.
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I dislike flash...but his play is pretty impressive.
From early game aggression...to late game management, he doesn't really seem to have a weakness.
He is just playing better than everyone else right now, not much you can do.
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Stork handled well.
Usually, ace player does not gg until very end, just to show their "fighting" mindset.
Did flash scout the top left?
Or is it a 2 players map?
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On March 13 2011 16:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:25 ShadeR wrote:On March 13 2011 16:21 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:17 SkelA wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese. That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus. yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right? Depends what you consider cheese. Stork's build in that game was preplanned. He went into the game with the intention of doing a 4-gate all-in after forcing Flash to 1rax expand with double gas steal. I'd consider that cheese since Flash didn't scout it and therefore lost. On the other hand, in tonight's game, Flash scouted the quick expansion and decided to respond with a bunker rush. Stork's zealot saw the rush coming, but he mismicroed his first goon and lost it, while getting no kills with his zealot that was in Flash's main instead of pulling it back to chase marines, thus costing him his nat. yeah no... it was response to blind rax cc.... and has been used on jeadong when he goes similiar 12 hatch... it good you know that cheese is preplanned though.. It was not a response to blind rax CC. The gas steal always comes before the rax finishes and there's literally no way to say flash was going to blind rax cc in that game.
you misunderstand me. im trying to make the point storks 3 proxy gates in the game vs both flash and jaedong respond to early cc/hatchery play.
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On March 13 2011 16:28 DJONES wrote:
I dislike flash...but his play is pretty impressive.
From early game aggression...to late game management, he doesn't really seem to have a weakness.
He is just playing better than everyone else right now, not much you can do.
I disagree, he does have a weakness. If you take away his ruler then he's nothing but a broken machine!
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On March 13 2011 16:24 konadora wrote:lol flash imba thanks ^_^ + Show Spoiler +I MISSED THIS FFFFFFFUUUUUUU-
I highly recommend that if you go back and watch any of the games, to watch Stork vs Action. One of the best PvZ matches I have watched this season. Definitely worth the watch.
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Stork, you epic shit. I wonder what would have happened if Flash didn't Bunker rush. I wanted to see a late/mid game = (
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When Stork 12 Nex and Flash bunker rushes, it's not cheese. But when Flash blind 1 Rax CC's and Stork proxy gates, DIE STORK YOU CHEESY MOFO!! Gotta LOVE the fucking EPIC LOGIC LOL!
Good games though. At least in terms of entertainment value of tonight's games, no one came out at a loss.
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On March 13 2011 16:29 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 13 2011 16:25 ShadeR wrote:On March 13 2011 16:21 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:17 SkelA wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese. That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus. yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right? Depends what you consider cheese. Stork's build in that game was preplanned. He went into the game with the intention of doing a 4-gate all-in after forcing Flash to 1rax expand with double gas steal. I'd consider that cheese since Flash didn't scout it and therefore lost. On the other hand, in tonight's game, Flash scouted the quick expansion and decided to respond with a bunker rush. Stork's zealot saw the rush coming, but he mismicroed his first goon and lost it, while getting no kills with his zealot that was in Flash's main instead of pulling it back to chase marines, thus costing him his nat. yeah no... it was response to blind rax cc.... and has been used on jeadong when he goes similiar 12 hatch... it good you know that cheese is preplanned though.. It was not a response to blind rax CC. The gas steal always comes before the rax finishes and there's literally no way to say flash was going to blind rax cc in that game. you misunderstand me. im trying to make the point storks 3 proxy gates in the game vs both flash and jaedong respond to early cc/hatchery play.
No it wasn't. Let me spell this out cleanly to you. The gas steal comes before Flash can do ANY build. His barracks isn't even finished when it happens. For all we know, Flash could've been going 1 factory expand, 2 factory, fast dropship, ANYTHING, but because he got his gas stolen, the only thing he could make was bunkers and CCs. Stork's 4 gate came because there is LITERALLY nothing flash can do but rax cc -- stork forced him to. This wasn't a blind choice by Flash, Stork's gas steal forces Flash to play this way. It's not blind, it's not something that Stork scouted and responded to (like he did against Flash, and like Flash did against him in this game).
The only way for Terran to defend that is to build 2 extra bunkers, make extra marines, and preferably research marine range before getting his tank out, and this can only happen if he scouts the gates otherwise he's crippling himself.
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Bummed out that Action couldn't seal it but it sounded like it was a close game..
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On March 13 2011 16:33 Renkaoru wrote:When Stork 12 Nex and Flash bunker rushes, it's not cheese. But when Flash blind 1 Rax CC's and Stork proxy gates, DIE STORK YOU CHEESY MOFO!! Gotta LOVE the fucking EPIC LOGIC LOL! Good games though. At least in terms of entertainment value of tonight's games, no one came out at a loss.
i kinda like your logic too.
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On March 13 2011 16:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:29 ShadeR wrote:On March 13 2011 16:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 13 2011 16:25 ShadeR wrote:On March 13 2011 16:21 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:17 SkelA wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese. That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus. yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right? Depends what you consider cheese. Stork's build in that game was preplanned. He went into the game with the intention of doing a 4-gate all-in after forcing Flash to 1rax expand with double gas steal. I'd consider that cheese since Flash didn't scout it and therefore lost. On the other hand, in tonight's game, Flash scouted the quick expansion and decided to respond with a bunker rush. Stork's zealot saw the rush coming, but he mismicroed his first goon and lost it, while getting no kills with his zealot that was in Flash's main instead of pulling it back to chase marines, thus costing him his nat. yeah no... it was response to blind rax cc.... and has been used on jeadong when he goes similiar 12 hatch... it good you know that cheese is preplanned though.. It was not a response to blind rax CC. The gas steal always comes before the rax finishes and there's literally no way to say flash was going to blind rax cc in that game. you misunderstand me. im trying to make the point storks 3 proxy gates in the game vs both flash and jaedong respond to early cc/hatchery play. No it wasn't. Let me spell this out cleanly to you. The gas steal comes before Flash can do ANY build. His barracks isn't even finished when it happens. For all we know, Flash could've been going 1 factory expand, 2 factory, fast dropship, ANYTHING, but because he got his gas stolen, the only thing he could make was bunkers and CCs. Stork's 4 gate came because there is LITERALLY nothing flash can do but rax cc -- stork forced him to. This wasn't a blind choice by Flash, Stork's gas steal forces Flash to play this way. It's not blind, it's not something that Stork scouted and responded to (like he did against Flash, and like Flash did against him in this game). The only way for Terran to defend that is to build 2 extra bunkers, make extra marines, and preferably research marine range before getting his tank out, and this can only happen if he scouts the gates otherwise he's crippling himself.
i am no longer calling it blind cc as you have convinced me otherwise but i still oppse the view that other posters have that stork cheesed flash in that game.
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It was a crazy game, tonight was an awesome night for Starcraft. When have you ever seen someone get to hive tech in one game twice?
Also, if you haven't checked it out, the other match had some spectacular games as well.
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On March 13 2011 16:33 Renkaoru wrote:
When Stork 12 Nex and Flash bunker rushes, it's not cheese. But when Flash blind 1 Rax CC's and Stork proxy gates, DIE STORK YOU CHEESY MOFO!! Gotta LOVE the fucking EPIC LOGIC LOL!
I don't speak for other Flash fans, but I find his proxy raxes are completely cheesy, and awesome in equal amounts. That goes for Stork's cheeses too.
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I don't know what building 4 gateways before expanding is if not a cheese.
I mean, this was a bit cheesey, but Flash is still expanding after mines (standard). All he did was pull 5 scvs to attack, which is very common against 12nex and not a cheese there either. It's just something no one's seen before so it seems kind of cheesey.
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Looks like KT coaches learned their lesson: never send Flash early. He is the last beacon of hope, the final boss, the finishing blow. Always send him when the time comes, when all seem to be lost!
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On March 13 2011 16:33 Renkaoru wrote:When Stork 12 Nex and Flash bunker rushes, it's not cheese. But when Flash blind 1 Rax CC's and Stork proxy gates, DIE STORK YOU CHEESY MOFO!! Gotta LOVE the fucking EPIC LOGIC LOL! Good games though. At least in terms of entertainment value of tonight's games, no one came out at a loss.
Except you didn't watch today's game so your post is non sense.
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On March 13 2011 16:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I don't know what building 4 gateways before expanding is if not a cheese.
I mean, this was a bit cheesey, but Flash is still expanding after mines (standard). All he did was pull 5 scvs to attack, which is very common against 12nex and not a cheese there either. It's just something no one's seen before so it seems kind of cheesey.
How bout losing all yo SCVs and Didn't take the nexus ?
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Sounds like these were epic games... Too bad Khan lost
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On March 13 2011 16:33 Renkaoru wrote:When Stork 12 Nex and Flash bunker rushes, it's not cheese. But when Flash blind 1 Rax CC's and Stork proxy gates, DIE STORK YOU CHEESY MOFO!! Gotta LOVE the fucking EPIC LOGIC LOL! Good games though. At least in terms of entertainment value of tonight's games, no one came out at a loss.
for starters, stork didn't 12 nex. secondly, it wasn't blind 1 rax cc. finally, if you count the number of people calling cheese in either game (in the LR thread) you will find it's pretty much even
get your facts straight before you make a post criticizing everyone.
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On March 13 2011 16:40 ssregi- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I don't know what building 4 gateways before expanding is if not a cheese.
I mean, this was a bit cheesey, but Flash is still expanding after mines (standard). All he did was pull 5 scvs to attack, which is very common against 12nex and not a cheese there either. It's just something no one's seen before so it seems kind of cheesey. How bout losing all yo SCVs and Didn't take the nexus ?
Then he still has an expansion with as many workers as Stork because to defend the attack you HAVE to use probes to defend, which will die. It's a pretty break even or get advantage idea unless you just have ABYSMAL control. I'd imagine Flash's control is good enough to not make it do or die.
Cheeses are typically something that means you HAVE to win with it or you die. There are rare occurences where you do just enough damage for the game to progress in a general fashion, but that's not the intent. The intent of Flash's push isn't even to win then and there, as seen by how he just contains stork. It's literally the classic example of executing a strategy to get an advantage (not win), and then to expand upon that advantage until you can't lose.
That's how I define the difference. Some people think if you proxy any unit production facility and attack with it that it's cheese, and that's fine too, I just disagree.
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On March 13 2011 16:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I don't know what building 4 gateways before expanding is if not a cheese.
I mean, this was a bit cheesey, but Flash is still expanding after mines (standard). All he did was pull 5 scvs to attack, which is very common against 12nex and not a cheese there either. It's just something no one's seen before so it seems kind of cheesey.
Likewise i believe upon opening 10gate and discovering a natural that the opponent cannot defend is akin to flashes bukner rush... neither are cheese. just calculated risks that progamers take.
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On March 13 2011 16:36 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 13 2011 16:29 ShadeR wrote:On March 13 2011 16:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 13 2011 16:25 ShadeR wrote:On March 13 2011 16:21 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:17 SkelA wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese. That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus. yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right? Depends what you consider cheese. Stork's build in that game was preplanned. He went into the game with the intention of doing a 4-gate all-in after forcing Flash to 1rax expand with double gas steal. I'd consider that cheese since Flash didn't scout it and therefore lost. On the other hand, in tonight's game, Flash scouted the quick expansion and decided to respond with a bunker rush. Stork's zealot saw the rush coming, but he mismicroed his first goon and lost it, while getting no kills with his zealot that was in Flash's main instead of pulling it back to chase marines, thus costing him his nat. yeah no... it was response to blind rax cc.... and has been used on jeadong when he goes similiar 12 hatch... it good you know that cheese is preplanned though.. It was not a response to blind rax CC. The gas steal always comes before the rax finishes and there's literally no way to say flash was going to blind rax cc in that game. you misunderstand me. im trying to make the point storks 3 proxy gates in the game vs both flash and jaedong respond to early cc/hatchery play. No it wasn't. Let me spell this out cleanly to you. The gas steal comes before Flash can do ANY build. His barracks isn't even finished when it happens. For all we know, Flash could've been going 1 factory expand, 2 factory, fast dropship, ANYTHING, but because he got his gas stolen, the only thing he could make was bunkers and CCs. Stork's 4 gate came because there is LITERALLY nothing flash can do but rax cc -- stork forced him to. This wasn't a blind choice by Flash, Stork's gas steal forces Flash to play this way. It's not blind, it's not something that Stork scouted and responded to (like he did against Flash, and like Flash did against him in this game). The only way for Terran to defend that is to build 2 extra bunkers, make extra marines, and preferably research marine range before getting his tank out, and this can only happen if he scouts the gates otherwise he's crippling himself. i am no longer calling it blind cc as you have convinced me otherwise but i still oppse the view that other posters have that stork cheesed flash in that game.
Seeing as this is a discussion between fanboys and as cheese is a relatively volatile term in SCBW, it's best not to argue anymore. My view is simple, I think both Stork and Flash respond to a scouted early expansion by using early aggression. If people call Stork cheesy for that, then I'll call Flash cheesy for the same thing.
On March 13 2011 16:39 Monkeyshark wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:33 Renkaoru wrote:When Stork 12 Nex and Flash bunker rushes, it's not cheese. But when Flash blind 1 Rax CC's and Stork proxy gates, DIE STORK YOU CHEESY MOFO!! Gotta LOVE the fucking EPIC LOGIC LOL! Good games though. At least in terms of entertainment value of tonight's games, no one came out at a loss. Except you didn't watch today's game so your post is non sense.
Except I don't post assumptions that somebody didn't watch the game lol. Or maybe that person has hidden cameras installed at other people's houses now? O_o
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On March 13 2011 16:44 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I don't know what building 4 gateways before expanding is if not a cheese.
I mean, this was a bit cheesey, but Flash is still expanding after mines (standard). All he did was pull 5 scvs to attack, which is very common against 12nex and not a cheese there either. It's just something no one's seen before so it seems kind of cheesey. Likewise i believe upon opening 10gate and discovering a natural that the opponent cannot defend is akin to flashes bukner rush... neither are cheese. just calculated risks that progamers take.
Are you referring to the 4 gate with that first bit? Because the 4gate was most definitely cheese by any and all definitions.
The thing I don't get is why people think cheese are so bad. Flash cheeses ALL the time, it's no insult to call anything he does a cheese because of how often he does it. I just like defining the difference when people get questionable about it.
On March 13 2011 16:45 Renkaoru wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:36 ShadeR wrote:On March 13 2011 16:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 13 2011 16:29 ShadeR wrote:On March 13 2011 16:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 13 2011 16:25 ShadeR wrote:On March 13 2011 16:21 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:17 SkelA wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Musou wrote:On March 13 2011 16:13 Taekwon wrote:
yikes, top class cheese. That wasn't anywhere close to cheese. Stork scouted it way early and it was a planned response to his early expand. It was Stork's failure to respond that allowed Flash to build a bunker right next to his completed nexus. yep this wasnt cheese at all like their last game where stork just 4 gate flash right? Depends what you consider cheese. Stork's build in that game was preplanned. He went into the game with the intention of doing a 4-gate all-in after forcing Flash to 1rax expand with double gas steal. I'd consider that cheese since Flash didn't scout it and therefore lost. On the other hand, in tonight's game, Flash scouted the quick expansion and decided to respond with a bunker rush. Stork's zealot saw the rush coming, but he mismicroed his first goon and lost it, while getting no kills with his zealot that was in Flash's main instead of pulling it back to chase marines, thus costing him his nat. yeah no... it was response to blind rax cc.... and has been used on jeadong when he goes similiar 12 hatch... it good you know that cheese is preplanned though.. It was not a response to blind rax CC. The gas steal always comes before the rax finishes and there's literally no way to say flash was going to blind rax cc in that game. you misunderstand me. im trying to make the point storks 3 proxy gates in the game vs both flash and jaedong respond to early cc/hatchery play. No it wasn't. Let me spell this out cleanly to you. The gas steal comes before Flash can do ANY build. His barracks isn't even finished when it happens. For all we know, Flash could've been going 1 factory expand, 2 factory, fast dropship, ANYTHING, but because he got his gas stolen, the only thing he could make was bunkers and CCs. Stork's 4 gate came because there is LITERALLY nothing flash can do but rax cc -- stork forced him to. This wasn't a blind choice by Flash, Stork's gas steal forces Flash to play this way. It's not blind, it's not something that Stork scouted and responded to (like he did against Flash, and like Flash did against him in this game). The only way for Terran to defend that is to build 2 extra bunkers, make extra marines, and preferably research marine range before getting his tank out, and this can only happen if he scouts the gates otherwise he's crippling himself. i am no longer calling it blind cc as you have convinced me otherwise but i still oppse the view that other posters have that stork cheesed flash in that game. Seeing as this is a discussion between fanboys and as cheese is a relatively volatile term in SCBW, it's best not to argue anymore. My view is simple, I think both Stork and Flash respond to a scouted early expansion by using early aggression. If people call Stork cheesy for that, then I'll call Flash cheesy for the same thing.
See, here's a big problem with the mentality here. You just tell people not to talk to each other and insult them. This is a perfectly reasonable time to talk about what is and isn't a cheese because there's some ambiguity, not just respond with a kneejerk reaction the way you're telling him to.
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On March 13 2011 16:44 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I don't know what building 4 gateways before expanding is if not a cheese.
I mean, this was a bit cheesey, but Flash is still expanding after mines (standard). All he did was pull 5 scvs to attack, which is very common against 12nex and not a cheese there either. It's just something no one's seen before so it seems kind of cheesey. Likewise i believe upon opening 10gate and discovering a natural that the opponent cannot defend is akin to flashes bukner rush... neither are cheese. just calculated risks that progamers take.
"Discovering" the undefended natural... that Stork forced him to make lol
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People should stop arguing about cheese as if it's something bad. The cheese is good. Embrace the cheese.
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On March 13 2011 16:49 Kyuukyuu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:44 ShadeR wrote:On March 13 2011 16:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I don't know what building 4 gateways before expanding is if not a cheese.
I mean, this was a bit cheesey, but Flash is still expanding after mines (standard). All he did was pull 5 scvs to attack, which is very common against 12nex and not a cheese there either. It's just something no one's seen before so it seems kind of cheesey. Likewise i believe upon opening 10gate and discovering a natural that the opponent cannot defend is akin to flashes bukner rush... neither are cheese. just calculated risks that progamers take. "Discovering" the undefended natural... that Stork forced him to make lol
I suppose we will never be able to define the parameters that cheese falls within... at least criterion that everyone is happy with =S
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On March 13 2011 16:38 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:33 Renkaoru wrote:
When Stork 12 Nex and Flash bunker rushes, it's not cheese. But when Flash blind 1 Rax CC's and Stork proxy gates, DIE STORK YOU CHEESY MOFO!! Gotta LOVE the fucking EPIC LOGIC LOL! I don't speak for other Flash fans, but I find his proxy raxes are completely cheesy, and awesome in equal amounts. That goes for Stork's cheeses too.
On March 13 2011 16:50 okum wrote:
People should stop arguing about cheese as if it's something bad. The cheese is good. Embrace the cheese.
As a matter of fact, I like your way of thinking.
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On March 13 2011 16:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:40 ssregi- wrote:On March 13 2011 16:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I don't know what building 4 gateways before expanding is if not a cheese.
I mean, this was a bit cheesey, but Flash is still expanding after mines (standard). All he did was pull 5 scvs to attack, which is very common against 12nex and not a cheese there either. It's just something no one's seen before so it seems kind of cheesey. How bout losing all yo SCVs and Didn't take the nexus ? Then he still has an expansion with as many workers as Stork because to defend the attack you HAVE to use probes to defend, which will die. It's a pretty break even or get advantage idea unless you just have ABYSMAL control. I'd imagine Flash's control is good enough to not make it do or die. Cheeses are typically something that means you HAVE to win with it or you die. There are rare occurences where you do just enough damage for the game to progress in a general fashion, but that's not the intent. The intent of Flash's push isn't even to win then and there, as seen by how he just contains stork. It's literally the classic example of executing a strategy to get an advantage (not win), and then to expand upon that advantage until you can't lose. That's how I define the difference. Some people think if you proxy any unit production facility and attack with it that it's cheese, and that's fine too, I just disagree.
Ok so yo pull 5 SCvs to my nat when u see me 12 nexus While I still product my Little probes.
So i pull some Little probes to mining at my nat and yo attack me with yo 5 scvs and some marine
When yo push fail even i lost like 5 or 7 probe, you still product scvs with 1 CC and no nat while i still produce My awsomeness Probes on 2 nexus
So when if Flash bunker rush Stork he must Certain that he will take the nexus or delay his Mining nat until Flash' CC at home finish
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On March 13 2011 16:45 Renkaoru wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:39 Monkeyshark wrote:On March 13 2011 16:33 Renkaoru wrote:When Stork 12 Nex and Flash bunker rushes, it's not cheese. But when Flash blind 1 Rax CC's and Stork proxy gates, DIE STORK YOU CHEESY MOFO!! Gotta LOVE the fucking EPIC LOGIC LOL! Good games though. At least in terms of entertainment value of tonight's games, no one came out at a loss. Except you didn't watch today's game so your post is non sense. Except I don't post assumptions that somebody didn't watch the game lol. Or maybe that person has hidden cameras installed at other people's houses now? O_o
So in the game, Stork vs Flash, Stork went 12 nexus?
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If a cheese should be considered a BO that only hits one timing and is disadventegous in case of no doing a lot of damage then both Stork and Flash cheesed,
BUT, a standard responce can not be called cheese, and that is why many people say that flash did not cheese, because he responces with early pressure in every game where tosses dare to 12 nex or gate-nex.
If you watch all recent Flashed TvP where protosses did early nexus versus Flash you will see him always responding with early pressure. And do we always see Stork doing 4 gates in every PvT when terrans play early CC? Don't think so.
Also storks play in 4 gate game was prepared to do exactly 4 gate build after fast CC after stolen gas.
And flash does his responce with early pressure even in games when he has fast expanded himself. Like a game versus Jangbi in previous khan vs kt. So how can it be cheese if the build is oriented on FE? it is just that flash uses his units in other way, but the build is not cheesy.
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So in the game, Stork vs Flash, Stork went 12 nexus?
No, he went gate expo
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On March 13 2011 16:56 ssregi- wrote:
Ok so yo pull 5 SCvs to my nat when u see me 12 nexus While I still product my Little probes.
So i pull some Little probes to mining at my nat and yo attack me with yo 5 scvs and some marine
When yo push fail even i lost like 5 or 7 probe, you still product scvs with 1 CC and no nat while i still produce My awsomeness Probes on 2 nexus
So when if Flash bunker rush Stork he must Certain that he will take the nexus or delay his Mining nat until Flash' CC at home finish
I don't know why people always have to put scenario to prove something.
It was 1 dragoon and 1 zealot + (#?)probes vs 5-6 scv and 4-5 marines. I'm not a good micro player so please teach me how to micro those protoss units to effective kill all the terran units. Don't forget that 2 vultures is coming soon and your second dragoon will be out when the vultures get to the natural.
Edit: Well unless you were giving the scenario to prove a point about bunkering vs 12 nexus then nevermind about my post.
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On March 13 2011 17:04 Monkeyshark wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:56 ssregi- wrote:
Ok so yo pull 5 SCvs to my nat when u see me 12 nexus While I still product my Little probes.
So i pull some Little probes to mining at my nat and yo attack me with yo 5 scvs and some marine
When yo push fail even i lost like 5 or 7 probe, you still product scvs with 1 CC and no nat while i still produce My awsomeness Probes on 2 nexus
So when if Flash bunker rush Stork he must Certain that he will take the nexus or delay his Mining nat until Flash' CC at home finish I don't know why people always have to put scenario to prove something. It was 1 dragoon and 1 zealot + (#?)probes vs 5-6 scv and 4-5 marines. I'm not a good micro player so please teach me how to micro those protoss units to effective kill all the terran units. Don't forget that 2 vultures is coming soon and your second dragoon will be out when the vultures get to the natural.
OK this is " IF the rush Fail "
Even like u talk, do u ever 12 nexus, 1 zealt 2 dragoon my friend
And 2 Vul ?, ok wtf ( u 2 fact me ? )
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On March 13 2011 16:58 naneri wrote:
If a cheese should be considered a BO that only hits one timing and is disadventegous in case of no doing a lot of damage then both Stork and Flash cheesed,
BUT, a standard responce can not be called cheese, and that is why many people say that flash did not cheese, because he responces with early pressure in every game where tosses dare to 12 nex or gate-nex.
If you watch all recent Flashed TvP where protosses did early nexus versus Flash you will see him always responding with early pressure. And do we always see Stork doing 4 gates in every PvT when terrans play early CC? Don't think so.
Also storks play in 4 gate game was prepared to do exactly 4 gate build after fast CC after stolen gas.
And flash does his responce with early pressure even in games when he has fast expanded himself. Like a game versus Jangbi in previous khan vs kt. So how can it be cheese if the build is oriented on FE? it is just that flash uses his units in other way, but the build is not cheesy.
Except that Flash put his barracks in a proxy position, preparing for a bunker rush.
I am of the opinion that both are cheese. Nothing is wrong with it as it is the proper response to an anticipated early expansion timing. And to quote a piece of godly wisdom.
On March 13 2011 16:50 okum wrote:
People should stop arguing about cheese as if it's something bad. The cheese is good. Embrace the cheese.
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I left my house when the thread was only at 23 pages and Flash was having a great early advantage over Stork, and when I came back and saw it had 32 pages I thought Stork had pulled off a comeback victory : o
So happy that Flash and KT still won in the end. And Flash gets to pay Stork back too, awesome!
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Lol I love the rage when Flash cheeses, and then the rage when Flash plays late management.
It really is a testament to Flash that no matter how he wins he gets raged at for it
Either way, it was an interesting game. I mean, I really didn't expect Stork to last as long as he did and that was some wicked shuttle micro
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Was a pretty good game. IMO, only Stork and Jaedong have the potential to outplay Flash when they are all on top of their game. This game showed once again Stork's amazing Shuttle+Reaver control and Flash's decisiveness.
Like every other SPL game in the last 2 years, Khan shows that they need more quality players.
GGs
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More recently Khan seems to be entirely dependent on a large crop of competent new players. There's no shame in dropping games to Stats when he plays as well as he did in those 3.
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I dont watch live since I was in holiday and I assume that KT will win and its true :D
KT wins. Congrats KT and thank you Flash and Stats :D
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After today I think Protosses fighting Flash should scout before 12/14nexing to see if he goes rax first
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He has built rax after depo today as he does always in TvP, so early scout won't help.
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On March 13 2011 21:23 mnesthes wrote:After today I think Protosses fighting Flash should scout before 12/14nexing to see if he goes rax first
flash almost always goes depot rax.. and stork's nexus wasn't that early
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I was making a joke 
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Meh, I'm not too upset about this. At least Stork saved Khan from the embarrassment of an AK by Stats.
Also, holy shit, Bisu and Stork almost have the same PvT ELO.
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On March 13 2011 23:16 Lightwip wrote:
Meh, I'm not too upset about this. At least Stork saved Khan from the embarrassment of an AK by Stats.
Also, holy shit, Bisu and Stork almost have the same PvT ELO.
not upset? but...but... you are a skt1 fan!
same elo as stork?
wat
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On March 13 2011 23:16 Lightwip wrote:
Also, holy shit, Bisu and Stork almost have the same PvT ELO.
It's about to get even closer. Last night's games have not been factored into TLPD yet.
Regarding the last game, Flash's strategy is cheesy, but I'd hesitate to call it a cheese outright. It has to really, really fail badly before he's completely screwed over and if we define cheese in such a manner then basically any strategy would be considered cheesy. What makes a cheese a cheese is that a.) you are dependent on your opponent not being able to react in time (usually this boils down to if they scout it you are screwed, if they don't scout it you win) and b.) you are locked into your strategy. Hence if your cheese fails you are screwed. These days it's getting harder to call anything cheese because scouting techniques and understanding of timing are much better and players always want a contingency plan. At least, that's my take on cheese these days.
Why Flash was able to roll Stork like that in large part has to do with Stork failing a little bit. He was confident enough that he kept his zealot in Flash's base and it did help a little by allowing him to stack his probes to defend, but his zealot and goon at home didn't do enough in defense. He had enough stuff that I thought he should be able to defend that (obviously with some loss of probes) but he failed, really.
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On March 13 2011 16:17 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:15 Scaramanga wrote:
Is it just me or did it seam like flash threw away so many units when he could have seiged, pushed with more care and ended it way sooner? seamed really strange to me Yeah a few goliaths instead of wraiths and he wouldnt have lost so many units to stork dropping on him constantly. Wraiths are ok, but they get sniped too fast, and its not like he needed to chase shuttles here (where wraiths would be optimal), he just needed to protect his tanks.
Flash was screwing around, he says it in the interview
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- After destroying the natural, you could've won right there if you went in from the power generator route.
(T)Flash: At that time I already knew that I won, so I just played whatever I wanted.
So I just played whatever I wanted...
=p
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Makes me very satisfied to see Flash get his revenge on Stork so fast.
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.... Well at least i got 1 point for accidentally picking Rolster to win lol Stork you sexy beast, but Flash... alskjdfl;akshbglkasjdg
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On March 13 2011 16:26 nodule wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:19 moopie wrote:On March 13 2011 16:18 a7choi wrote:On March 13 2011 16:17 moopie wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Scaramanga wrote:
Is it just me or did it seam like flash threw away so many units when he could have seiged, pushed with more care and ended it way sooner? seamed really strange to me Yeah a few goliaths instead of wraiths and he wouldnt have lost so many units to stork dropping on him constantly. Wraiths are ok, but they get sniped too fast, and its not like he needed to chase shuttles here (where wraiths would be optimal), he just needed to protect his tanks. meh. didn't really matter. flash was so ahead i don't think he even cared for his units Well yeah it didn't matter too much for the outcome, but still bothered me. 3 shuttles, no goliaths, constantly dropping zealot/goon on his sieged tanks. :/ He went wraith to combat dropship (was only half effective due to bad control, though). It doesn't make sense to go wraith and gol to counter.
You didn't read my posts that you quoted did you? yes he went wraiths to counter the shuttles, but wraiths are good if you need to chase down shuttles (like if flash wasn't being aggressive, and shuttles came to his main to reaver/storm drop). Since flash was just sieging on stork's expo, the shuttles came to him, and as such goliaths instead of wraiths would be much better for defensive purposes.
They are quite a bit cheaper, build faster, don't need starport tech, have more hp and armor, benefit from ground mech upgrades, aren't as worthless vs zealot/goon, and if you get goliath range they outrange wraiths as well. I am aware he was just screwing around and didn't care, that's not the point. I was replying to scara's message about flash throwing away units. A few goliaths instead of a few wraiths would have fared much better and wouldn't have allowed stork to fly shuttles right over the tanks over and over. I never stated that I thought he should have gone wraiths and goliaths.
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*Sigh*, there are some key mistakes from Stork's play, he should've abandoned expoing to the natural after being hard contained and went straight to the 6 o clock expo by faring Probe there with units for defending. And when Flash was going to make a push at the front of the expo, Stork's reaver should've been there to break it instead of trying to harass. But Stork was tired from 2 kill Stats and Action which is no easy feats I guess its understandable to lose to Flash.
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A fitting revenge, really. Flash's plan was to punish the early expansion counter to rax CC, as revealed in interview.
Just as Stork planned to beat rax CC in their last meeting.
For some reason this one felt more abusive though, maybe that's just my bias being a Stork fan.
Someone said something about poor gg timing, and it probably was, but that doesn't take anything away from Stork's play later on in the game when he was way behind. He really shows why he's one of the best players, even in the games he loses. Unlike others at the top who sometimes just seem to outright fail.
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Why do people keep saying Stork planned to beat rax cc in their last meeting? Stork FORCED rax cc. It's been said a million times in the thread and it shouldn't have to be repeated so often.
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On March 14 2011 09:44 Xiphos wrote:
*Sigh*, there are some key mistakes from Stork's play, he should've abandoned expoing to the natural after being hard contained and went straight to the 6 o clock expo by faring Probe there with units for defending. And when Flash was going to make a push at the front of the expo, Stork's reaver should've been there to break it instead of trying to harass. But Stork was tired from 2 kill Stats and Action which is no easy feats I guess its understandable to lose to Flash.
I agree with this line.
Flash did a lot of things right, and would have probably won even if it was Stork's first game (given his well-prepared build), but I think stork was actually really tired especially having played that game against Action. I was tired simply from watching that game as there were battles everywhere.
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what a game between flash and stork.. flash did such a good job denying stork's expansion.. nice play by stork considering.. but it would be hard to come back after that.
gg.
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I know it's Flash vs. Stork, but I don't think that game deserved this much discussion; Stork vs. Action was easily the highlight of this series IMHO. What a brilliant game that was. Very high level and even though Action lost, the game affirmed my belief that Action is one of the ZvPers out there currently.
This was a great series, I really like both teams and they delivered really entertaining games, a pity I couldn't watch it live.
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On March 14 2011 13:14 Cambium wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 09:44 Xiphos wrote:
*Sigh*, there are some key mistakes from Stork's play, he should've abandoned expoing to the natural after being hard contained and went straight to the 6 o clock expo by faring Probe there with units for defending. And when Flash was going to make a push at the front of the expo, Stork's reaver should've been there to break it instead of trying to harass. But Stork was tired from 2 kill Stats and Action which is no easy feats I guess its understandable to lose to Flash. I agree with this line. Flash did a lot of things right, and would have probably won even if it was Stork's first game (given his well-prepared build), but I think stork was actually really tired especially having played that game against Action. I was tired simply from watching that game as there were battles everywhere.
though this may be true. i don't think playing games actually tires progamers out.. we shouldn't use this as an excuse for poor play. think about it. these guys play non-stop for around half their entire day.. i don't see how they can even experience any fatigue after a few games. even i don't get tired after playing just a few games. and also, they get breaks in between their games.
edit: by the way i'm not downplaying stork's skill whatsoever. he's my favorite protoss.
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On March 14 2011 15:48 a7choi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 13:14 Cambium wrote:On March 14 2011 09:44 Xiphos wrote:
*Sigh*, there are some key mistakes from Stork's play, he should've abandoned expoing to the natural after being hard contained and went straight to the 6 o clock expo by faring Probe there with units for defending. And when Flash was going to make a push at the front of the expo, Stork's reaver should've been there to break it instead of trying to harass. But Stork was tired from 2 kill Stats and Action which is no easy feats I guess its understandable to lose to Flash. I agree with this line. Flash did a lot of things right, and would have probably won even if it was Stork's first game (given his well-prepared build), but I think stork was actually really tired especially having played that game against Action. I was tired simply from watching that game as there were battles everywhere. though this may be true. i don't think playing games actually tires progamers out.. we shouldn't use this as an excuse for poor play. think about it. these guys play non-stop for around half their entire day.. i don't see how they can even experience any fatigue after a few games. even i don't get tired after playing just a few games. and also, they get breaks in between their games. edit: by the way i'm not downplaying stork's skill whatsoever. he's my favorite protoss.
Pressure, bro, the pressure and believe me they do not get tired, but what happns is that their hands start reacting slower or something you know? At least thats what i think
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On March 14 2011 15:57 KTF_CloaK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 15:48 a7choi wrote:On March 14 2011 13:14 Cambium wrote:On March 14 2011 09:44 Xiphos wrote:
*Sigh*, there are some key mistakes from Stork's play, he should've abandoned expoing to the natural after being hard contained and went straight to the 6 o clock expo by faring Probe there with units for defending. And when Flash was going to make a push at the front of the expo, Stork's reaver should've been there to break it instead of trying to harass. But Stork was tired from 2 kill Stats and Action which is no easy feats I guess its understandable to lose to Flash. I agree with this line. Flash did a lot of things right, and would have probably won even if it was Stork's first game (given his well-prepared build), but I think stork was actually really tired especially having played that game against Action. I was tired simply from watching that game as there were battles everywhere. though this may be true. i don't think playing games actually tires progamers out.. we shouldn't use this as an excuse for poor play. think about it. these guys play non-stop for around half their entire day.. i don't see how they can even experience any fatigue after a few games. even i don't get tired after playing just a few games. and also, they get breaks in between their games. edit: by the way i'm not downplaying stork's skill whatsoever. he's my favorite protoss. Pressure, bro, the pressure and believe me they do not get tired, but what happns is that their hands start reacting slower or something you know? At least thats what i think
hmmm perhaps. not too sure.. but if anything i think players play their worst in their first game, because they didn't play any games prior to warm up their hands. even flash stated that he plays sloppy in his first games because he wasn't warmed up. so i don't know.. i don't think this strategy of trying to tiring players out is really effective :/
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Flash is effing ridiculous.
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The Ace match was just ... I can't even decide if it was hillarious or amazing so I'll say both! :D
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