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On March 13 2011 16:17 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:15 Scaramanga wrote:
Is it just me or did it seam like flash threw away so many units when he could have seiged, pushed with more care and ended it way sooner? seamed really strange to me Yeah a few goliaths instead of wraiths and he wouldnt have lost so many units to stork dropping on him constantly. Wraiths are ok, but they get sniped too fast, and its not like he needed to chase shuttles here (where wraiths would be optimal), he just needed to protect his tanks.
Flash was screwing around, he says it in the interview
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- After destroying the natural, you could've won right there if you went in from the power generator route.
(T)Flash: At that time I already knew that I won, so I just played whatever I wanted.
So I just played whatever I wanted...
=p
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Makes me very satisfied to see Flash get his revenge on Stork so fast. 
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.... Well at least i got 1 point for accidentally picking Rolster to win lol Stork you sexy beast, but Flash... alskjdfl;akshbglkasjdg
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On March 13 2011 16:26 nodule wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:19 moopie wrote:On March 13 2011 16:18 a7choi wrote:On March 13 2011 16:17 moopie wrote:On March 13 2011 16:15 Scaramanga wrote:
Is it just me or did it seam like flash threw away so many units when he could have seiged, pushed with more care and ended it way sooner? seamed really strange to me Yeah a few goliaths instead of wraiths and he wouldnt have lost so many units to stork dropping on him constantly. Wraiths are ok, but they get sniped too fast, and its not like he needed to chase shuttles here (where wraiths would be optimal), he just needed to protect his tanks. meh. didn't really matter. flash was so ahead i don't think he even cared for his units Well yeah it didn't matter too much for the outcome, but still bothered me. 3 shuttles, no goliaths, constantly dropping zealot/goon on his sieged tanks. :/ He went wraith to combat dropship (was only half effective due to bad control, though). It doesn't make sense to go wraith and gol to counter.
You didn't read my posts that you quoted did you? yes he went wraiths to counter the shuttles, but wraiths are good if you need to chase down shuttles (like if flash wasn't being aggressive, and shuttles came to his main to reaver/storm drop). Since flash was just sieging on stork's expo, the shuttles came to him, and as such goliaths instead of wraiths would be much better for defensive purposes.
They are quite a bit cheaper, build faster, don't need starport tech, have more hp and armor, benefit from ground mech upgrades, aren't as worthless vs zealot/goon, and if you get goliath range they outrange wraiths as well. I am aware he was just screwing around and didn't care, that's not the point. I was replying to scara's message about flash throwing away units. A few goliaths instead of a few wraiths would have fared much better and wouldn't have allowed stork to fly shuttles right over the tanks over and over. I never stated that I thought he should have gone wraiths and goliaths.
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*Sigh*, there are some key mistakes from Stork's play, he should've abandoned expoing to the natural after being hard contained and went straight to the 6 o clock expo by faring Probe there with units for defending. And when Flash was going to make a push at the front of the expo, Stork's reaver should've been there to break it instead of trying to harass. But Stork was tired from 2 kill Stats and Action which is no easy feats I guess its understandable to lose to Flash.
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A fitting revenge, really. Flash's plan was to punish the early expansion counter to rax CC, as revealed in interview.
Just as Stork planned to beat rax CC in their last meeting.
For some reason this one felt more abusive though, maybe that's just my bias being a Stork fan.
Someone said something about poor gg timing, and it probably was, but that doesn't take anything away from Stork's play later on in the game when he was way behind. He really shows why he's one of the best players, even in the games he loses. Unlike others at the top who sometimes just seem to outright fail.
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Why do people keep saying Stork planned to beat rax cc in their last meeting? Stork FORCED rax cc. It's been said a million times in the thread and it shouldn't have to be repeated so often.
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On March 14 2011 09:44 Xiphos wrote:
*Sigh*, there are some key mistakes from Stork's play, he should've abandoned expoing to the natural after being hard contained and went straight to the 6 o clock expo by faring Probe there with units for defending. And when Flash was going to make a push at the front of the expo, Stork's reaver should've been there to break it instead of trying to harass. But Stork was tired from 2 kill Stats and Action which is no easy feats I guess its understandable to lose to Flash.
I agree with this line.
Flash did a lot of things right, and would have probably won even if it was Stork's first game (given his well-prepared build), but I think stork was actually really tired especially having played that game against Action. I was tired simply from watching that game as there were battles everywhere.
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what a game between flash and stork.. flash did such a good job denying stork's expansion.. nice play by stork considering.. but it would be hard to come back after that.
gg.
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I know it's Flash vs. Stork, but I don't think that game deserved this much discussion; Stork vs. Action was easily the highlight of this series IMHO. What a brilliant game that was. Very high level and even though Action lost, the game affirmed my belief that Action is one of the ZvPers out there currently.
This was a great series, I really like both teams and they delivered really entertaining games, a pity I couldn't watch it live.
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On March 14 2011 13:14 Cambium wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 09:44 Xiphos wrote:
*Sigh*, there are some key mistakes from Stork's play, he should've abandoned expoing to the natural after being hard contained and went straight to the 6 o clock expo by faring Probe there with units for defending. And when Flash was going to make a push at the front of the expo, Stork's reaver should've been there to break it instead of trying to harass. But Stork was tired from 2 kill Stats and Action which is no easy feats I guess its understandable to lose to Flash. I agree with this line. Flash did a lot of things right, and would have probably won even if it was Stork's first game (given his well-prepared build), but I think stork was actually really tired especially having played that game against Action. I was tired simply from watching that game as there were battles everywhere.
though this may be true. i don't think playing games actually tires progamers out.. we shouldn't use this as an excuse for poor play. think about it. these guys play non-stop for around half their entire day.. i don't see how they can even experience any fatigue after a few games. even i don't get tired after playing just a few games. and also, they get breaks in between their games.
edit: by the way i'm not downplaying stork's skill whatsoever. he's my favorite protoss.
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On March 14 2011 15:48 a7choi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 13:14 Cambium wrote:On March 14 2011 09:44 Xiphos wrote:
*Sigh*, there are some key mistakes from Stork's play, he should've abandoned expoing to the natural after being hard contained and went straight to the 6 o clock expo by faring Probe there with units for defending. And when Flash was going to make a push at the front of the expo, Stork's reaver should've been there to break it instead of trying to harass. But Stork was tired from 2 kill Stats and Action which is no easy feats I guess its understandable to lose to Flash. I agree with this line. Flash did a lot of things right, and would have probably won even if it was Stork's first game (given his well-prepared build), but I think stork was actually really tired especially having played that game against Action. I was tired simply from watching that game as there were battles everywhere. though this may be true. i don't think playing games actually tires progamers out.. we shouldn't use this as an excuse for poor play. think about it. these guys play non-stop for around half their entire day.. i don't see how they can even experience any fatigue after a few games. even i don't get tired after playing just a few games. and also, they get breaks in between their games. edit: by the way i'm not downplaying stork's skill whatsoever. he's my favorite protoss.
Pressure, bro, the pressure and believe me they do not get tired, but what happns is that their hands start reacting slower or something you know? At least thats what i think
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On March 14 2011 15:57 KTF_CloaK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 15:48 a7choi wrote:On March 14 2011 13:14 Cambium wrote:On March 14 2011 09:44 Xiphos wrote:
*Sigh*, there are some key mistakes from Stork's play, he should've abandoned expoing to the natural after being hard contained and went straight to the 6 o clock expo by faring Probe there with units for defending. And when Flash was going to make a push at the front of the expo, Stork's reaver should've been there to break it instead of trying to harass. But Stork was tired from 2 kill Stats and Action which is no easy feats I guess its understandable to lose to Flash. I agree with this line. Flash did a lot of things right, and would have probably won even if it was Stork's first game (given his well-prepared build), but I think stork was actually really tired especially having played that game against Action. I was tired simply from watching that game as there were battles everywhere. though this may be true. i don't think playing games actually tires progamers out.. we shouldn't use this as an excuse for poor play. think about it. these guys play non-stop for around half their entire day.. i don't see how they can even experience any fatigue after a few games. even i don't get tired after playing just a few games. and also, they get breaks in between their games. edit: by the way i'm not downplaying stork's skill whatsoever. he's my favorite protoss. Pressure, bro, the pressure and believe me they do not get tired, but what happns is that their hands start reacting slower or something you know? At least thats what i think
hmmm perhaps. not too sure.. but if anything i think players play their worst in their first game, because they didn't play any games prior to warm up their hands. even flash stated that he plays sloppy in his first games because he wasn't warmed up. so i don't know.. i don't think this strategy of trying to tiring players out is really effective :/
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Flash is effing ridiculous.
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The Ace match was just ... I can't even decide if it was hillarious or amazing so I'll say both! :D
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