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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On March 13 2011 16:20 Monkeyshark wrote: I hope you mean the WL season because if you don't then you forget things so soon. First day of the 2010-2011 Proleague, remember it. Yeah, it was awhile ago and I'd forgotten, fair enough. No need to be so aggressive though, mate. Still, by far the best record in "ace" matches of any player. Like a 98% record lol. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66363 Posts
On March 13 2011 16:23 ]343[ wrote: part of it is haha (the individual results thing)  great >  BarrackSgreat <  StatsBrave < StatsJangBi < StatsStork > StatsStork > ActionStork < Flashlol flash imba thanks ^_^ + Show Spoiler + I MISSED THIS FFFFFFFUUUUUUU- | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On March 13 2011 16:21 Musou wrote: Depends what you consider cheese. Stork's build in that game was preplanned. He went into the game with the intention of doing a 4-gate all-in after forcing Flash to 1rax expand with double gas steal. I'd consider that cheese since Flash didn't scout it and therefore lost. On the other hand, in tonight's game, Flash scouted the quick expansion and decided to respond with a bunker rush. Stork's zealot saw the rush coming, but he mismicroed his first goon and lost it, while getting no kills with his zealot that was in Flash's main instead of pulling it back to chase marines, thus costing him his nat. yeah no... it was response to blind rax cc.... and has been used on jeadong when he goes similiar 12 hatch... it good you know that cheese is preplanned though.. | ||
]343[
United States10328 Posts
On March 13 2011 16:25 ShadeR wrote: yeah no... it was response to blind rax cc.... and has been used on jeadong when he goes similiar 12 hatch... it good you know that cheese is preplanned though.. pretty sure rax cc is standard after a gas steal...???? | ||
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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
Seriously, that game was over for a while. Stork might as well have gotten scouts. Just because he can do some damage against a non-air-attacking army doesn't mean he ever had a real chance. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On March 13 2011 16:23 Musou wrote: It wasn't a blind cc. He responded to Stork's gas steal with a 1 rax cc, and then Stork stole his nat gas as well, thus delaying siege. what so anticipating oppenents build and responding correctly is cheese or? | ||
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nodule
Canada931 Posts
On March 13 2011 16:19 moopie wrote: Well yeah it didn't matter too much for the outcome, but still bothered me. 3 shuttles, no goliaths, constantly dropping zealot/goon on his sieged tanks. :/ He went wraith to combat dropship (was only half effective due to bad control, though). It doesn't make sense to go wraith and gol to counter. | ||
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smekz
Portugal503 Posts
On March 13 2011 16:21 Musou wrote: Depends what you consider cheese. Stork's build in that game was preplanned. He went into the game with the intention of doing a 4-gate all-in after forcing Flash to 1rax expand with double gas steal. I'd consider that cheese since Flash didn't scout it and therefore lost. On the other hand, in tonight's game, Flash scouted the quick expansion and decided to respond with a bunker rush. Stork's zealot saw the rush coming, but he mismicroed his first goon and lost it, while getting no kills with his zealot that was in Flash's main instead of pulling it back to chase marines, thus costing him his nat. are u serious? lmao ggs, khan needs a protoss sniper asap | ||
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Musou
1375 Posts
On March 13 2011 16:25 ]343[ wrote: pretty sure rax cc is standard after a gas steal...???? Correct, which is why it was not a blind rax cc as I stated earlier. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On March 13 2011 16:25 ]343[ wrote: pretty sure rax cc is standard after a gas steal...???? Yup, gas steal leaves the terran having to expand or being way behind on his factory tech (while needlessly hoarding mins) | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On March 13 2011 16:25 ShadeR wrote: yeah no... it was response to blind rax cc.... and has been used on jeadong when he goes similiar 12 hatch... it good you know that cheese is preplanned though.. It was not a response to blind rax CC. The gas steal always comes before the rax finishes and there's literally no way to say flash was going to blind rax cc in that game. He literally cannot get enough gas and the only thing he can do with his minerals is either build more barracks (In a tvp, lol), a bunker, and a CC. Guess what that means? He builds a bunker and a cc and that's rax cc. | ||
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salito
1649 Posts
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DJONES
United States218 Posts
From early game aggression...to late game management, he doesn't really seem to have a weakness. He is just playing better than everyone else right now, not much you can do. | ||
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underxb
Bahrain100 Posts
Usually, ace player does not gg until very end, just to show their "fighting" mindset. Did flash scout the top left? Or is it a 2 players map? | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On March 13 2011 16:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: It was not a response to blind rax CC. The gas steal always comes before the rax finishes and there's literally no way to say flash was going to blind rax cc in that game. you misunderstand me. im trying to make the point storks 3 proxy gates in the game vs both flash and jaedong respond to early cc/hatchery play. | ||
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Monkeyshark
United States406 Posts
On March 13 2011 16:28 DJONES wrote: I dislike flash...but his play is pretty impressive. From early game aggression...to late game management, he doesn't really seem to have a weakness. He is just playing better than everyone else right now, not much you can do. I disagree, he does have a weakness. If you take away his ruler then he's nothing but a broken machine! | ||
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Gooey
United States944 Posts
On March 13 2011 16:24 konadora wrote: lol flash imba thanks ^_^ + Show Spoiler + I MISSED THIS FFFFFFFUUUUUUU- I highly recommend that if you go back and watch any of the games, to watch Stork vs Action. One of the best PvZ matches I have watched this season. Definitely worth the watch. | ||
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
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Renkaoru
390 Posts
Good games though. At least in terms of entertainment value of tonight's games, no one came out at a loss.  | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On March 13 2011 16:29 ShadeR wrote: you misunderstand me. im trying to make the point storks 3 proxy gates in the game vs both flash and jaedong respond to early cc/hatchery play. No it wasn't. Let me spell this out cleanly to you. The gas steal comes before Flash can do ANY build. His barracks isn't even finished when it happens. For all we know, Flash could've been going 1 factory expand, 2 factory, fast dropship, ANYTHING, but because he got his gas stolen, the only thing he could make was bunkers and CCs. Stork's 4 gate came because there is LITERALLY nothing flash can do but rax cc -- stork forced him to. This wasn't a blind choice by Flash, Stork's gas steal forces Flash to play this way. It's not blind, it's not something that Stork scouted and responded to (like he did against Flash, and like Flash did against him in this game). The only way for Terran to defend that is to build 2 extra bunkers, make extra marines, and preferably research marine range before getting his tank out, and this can only happen if he scouts the gates otherwise he's crippling himself. | ||
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