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Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
January 31 2011 10:34 GMT
#361
On January 31 2011 19:31 Turbovolver wrote:
Is there a reason he didn't even try a muta switch? Ninja guardians all up in Sea's factories? Desctruction of as many tanks with 12 mutas, even if they do get irradiated?

Surprise guardian switch has been tried many times and it basically never, ever, ever works. There was a period when everyone was like "GO GUARDIANS" and then a lot of zergs did (Kwanro, Calm, Jaedong) and lost every single game and then everyone said "LOL WHY ARE YOU GOING GUARDIANS."

It seems like a good idea, but it's just too easy for Terran to irradiate them or get literally *a* wraith.

That said, it's may have been a better idea than A-moving into mines over and over and over and over again.
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4729 Posts
January 31 2011 10:34 GMT
#362
On January 31 2011 19:32 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 19:31 Malinor wrote:
I missed the first 15 minutes of the game, probably the reason I am not that surprised. If you just watched the second half, you just see a zerg throwing stuff at a mech-line for 15 minutes without breaking it. May have been 7 vs 3 bases, but Action missed that gigantic 10minute timimg window where he would just have needed to stop 3 and 6 from going up and starving Sea out.. But instead he tried to break the middle for unknown reasons.

Acton looked far more promising a couple of months ago

In the beginning Sea failed an 8 Rax, then lost his entire army in a failed sunken break and proceeded to lose a loooooot of SCVs to muta harassment. It's amazing that he ended up winning that.

Fantastic turtling by Sea.


Thanks for the summary

But that actually makes Action even look worse, lol. And we all know that Sea knows how to mech, he played this out really nice, no doubt about that.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
January 31 2011 10:35 GMT
#363
On January 31 2011 19:32 Monkeyshark wrote:
Seriously though guys. From what I saw, action never have much units and he had 5 base to make them from(when the mech transition happened) WHAT KIND OF MACRO IS THAT?


he had plenty of forces waiting in the middle of the map
while each time u see sea's reinforcements there were like 2 tanks
its just action suicided 90 % of his forces into mines and the rest got erased by the tanks
he made no plans on attacking smartly but just a moved the forces
there were like 6 or 7 moments where action forces passed sea's forces without attacking
not saying its easy but hey if u cant control 8 bases why take them
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
January 31 2011 10:35 GMT
#364
On January 31 2011 19:34 Hier wrote:
Too much unreasonably harsh criticism towards Action from our local "experts" here.


I don't think it was unreasonable.
I think most people know that running your army into mines... is generally a bad idea.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 31 2011 10:35 GMT
#365
On January 31 2011 19:34 Hier wrote:
Too much unreasonably harsh criticism towards Action from our local "experts" here.


Nothing is too harsh. He was a zerg with a supply LEAD going into hivetech. He had completely crippled Sea with his mutas and had such a ridiculous advantage going in that nothing short of playing several leagues lower than his opponent was going to change that. And that's what he did.
Remember Violet.
KTF_CloaK
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1338 Posts
January 31 2011 10:35 GMT
#366
Violet. <3
KT Rolster for the win!! Lee-Young-Ho hwaiting!!
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
January 31 2011 10:36 GMT
#367
Recommend poll?
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Monkeyshark
Profile Joined April 2010
United States406 Posts
January 31 2011 10:36 GMT
#368
On January 31 2011 19:35 pvzvt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 19:32 Monkeyshark wrote:
Seriously though guys. From what I saw, action never have much units and he had 5 base to make them from(when the mech transition happened) WHAT KIND OF MACRO IS THAT?


he had plenty of forces waiting in the middle of the map
while each time u see sea's reinforcements there were like 2 tanks
its just action suicided 90 % of his forces into mines and the rest got erased by the tanks
he made no plans on attacking smartly but just a moved the forces
there were like 6 or 7 moments where action forces passed sea's forces without attacking
not saying its easy but hey if u cant control 8 bases why take them


No man, from what I saw each time he had around like 50 supply in his rally point in the middle then he go suicide them and decide to make 50 more then repeat.
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
January 31 2011 10:37 GMT
#369
That was a nice tribute to violet. Bittersweet, for sure, leukemia is no joke.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 31 2011 10:37 GMT
#370
I wanna see Stats snipe Sea.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
thestool91
Profile Joined August 2007
672 Posts
January 31 2011 10:38 GMT
#371
I think the problem was that action let sea eat up the 4 bases so easily.

And I'm not being biased but as a zerg user, we all can agree that its rare for zerg to have a "han-bang push" compared to a terran. As zerg, you have to keep riding your advantage and keep winning multiple battles, whereas for protoss and terran against zerg, one good battle means that you can win from it. I hope I'm not the only zerg player that rides a huge advantage until a few misclicks and you're done :p.

My suggestion is that he could have harassed the 3 and the 530 way more in the beginning. Before the vults were up, if only action sent ling harass to those expos sea would have gone insane and gged. But no, action wanted to show off his late game defiler usage and lost.
the dreamer, mantoss, storm zerg, the cowboy, the spark terran, the ultimate weapon...what more can i say? GO KTF
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
January 31 2011 10:38 GMT
#372
On January 31 2011 19:35 mizU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 19:34 Hier wrote:
Too much unreasonably harsh criticism towards Action from our local "experts" here.


I don't think it was unreasonable.
I think most people know that running your army into mines... is generally a bad idea.


Mine sweeping with zerglings is nothing uncommon. Although there are valid criticism towards Action during that game, that's not one of them.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 31 2011 10:38 GMT
#373
can't believe action threw that game away after that mutaharass and sea's failed early/midgame preassure.

If you're going to drop something with swarm to delay/take out bases. make it lings and lurkers, not ultras:O
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Monkeyshark
Profile Joined April 2010
United States406 Posts
January 31 2011 10:38 GMT
#374
On January 31 2011 19:37 Holgerius wrote:
I wanna see Stats snipe Sea.


Save Stats for light so it's easier for him and just play Flash.
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
January 31 2011 10:39 GMT
#375
Action also almost never put up swarms when running his army into the tank lines. A swarm here or there but he really needed to set up a swarm corridor to run units under so that they actually get to attack anything. ZerO did a far better job of this in his game against Flash.
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fallingdream
Profile Joined December 2004
Romania452 Posts
January 31 2011 10:39 GMT
#376
Such a bad play from Action late game. He didn't commit to attacks, his harass was way way too late and didn't do anything significant. I don't know if a muta switch would have been the answer, imo he should have dropped Sea's base with cracklings and 2-3 ultras for support until Sea would have been obligated to move his tanks from center and than mount a full front attack on one of the expo's. His late drop into the main was somewhat effective, if he would of done that earlier and multiple times the result might have been different, throwing away units at minefields with tanks was bad.
On the other hand Sea played really good despite his failures early game. All in all I feel like Action should have finished this game early with mass muta, Sea didn't even have a starport until very late.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
January 31 2011 10:39 GMT
#377
On January 31 2011 19:38 Hier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 19:35 mizU wrote:
On January 31 2011 19:34 Hier wrote:
Too much unreasonably harsh criticism towards Action from our local "experts" here.


I don't think it was unreasonable.
I think most people know that running your army into mines... is generally a bad idea.


Mine sweeping with zerglings is nothing uncommon. Although there are valid criticism towards Action during that game, that's not one of them.


Oh yeah I know you usually use zerglings to defuse mines.
But ultras and hydras... aren't such a good idea.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
January 31 2011 10:39 GMT
#378
On January 31 2011 19:38 Hier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 19:35 mizU wrote:
On January 31 2011 19:34 Hier wrote:
Too much unreasonably harsh criticism towards Action from our local "experts" here.


I don't think it was unreasonable.
I think most people know that running your army into mines... is generally a bad idea.


Mine sweeping with zerglings is nothing uncommon. Although there are valid criticism towards Action during that game, that's not one of them.


What about minesweeping with lurkers and defilers?
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
January 31 2011 10:39 GMT
#379
On January 31 2011 19:38 Hier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 19:35 mizU wrote:
On January 31 2011 19:34 Hier wrote:
Too much unreasonably harsh criticism towards Action from our local "experts" here.


I don't think it was unreasonable.
I think most people know that running your army into mines... is generally a bad idea.


Mine sweeping with zerglings is nothing uncommon. Although there are valid criticism towards Action during that game, that's not one of them.


play hydra muta instead of ultras?
FTD
darklordjac
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2231 Posts
January 31 2011 10:39 GMT
#380
On January 31 2011 19:38 Hier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 19:35 mizU wrote:
On January 31 2011 19:34 Hier wrote:
Too much unreasonably harsh criticism towards Action from our local "experts" here.


I don't think it was unreasonable.
I think most people know that running your army into mines... is generally a bad idea.


Mine sweeping with zerglings is nothing uncommon. Although there are valid criticism towards Action during that game, that's not one of them.


Some zerglings are fine, but not your whole army over and over.
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