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Estonia4504 Posts
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Tueday, January 25th 2011, 18:00 KST, Channel MBCGame
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Estonia4504 Posts
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(unplayed games will be given random description to avoid spoilers).
+ Show Spoiler [Game 1] + Greedy play into annihilation, as is proper. I guess this game is good proof of the form of the losing player. Once again.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] + This has to be one the worst TvPs of the season. Masochism or hatred might make you watch this, but nothing else.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] + Below average TvT. In theme with the rest of the (bad) games, I guess.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] + Entertaining, and with some good moments, but definitely not what you'd expect.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] + Pretty damn awesome TvZ. Watch it!
+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] + Watch this game, it was a pretty good PvZ with nice drops and good defences!
+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] + And a boring ZvZ to close it all off. Pretty surprising result, though.
Poll: Who are you cheering for?Hwaseung OZ (45) 63% STX SouL (14) 19% I'm just hoping for good games. (12) 17% Both! Decision making is for suckers! (1) 1% 72 total votes Your vote: Who are you cheering for? (Vote): Hwaseung OZ
(Vote): STX SouL
(Vote): I'm just hoping for good games.
(Vote): Both! Decision making is for suckers!
Poll: Who will win?Hwaseung OZ (46) 74% STX SouL (8) 13% I'm not in the mood for predictions, but I still want to press a button. (8) 13% 62 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): Hwaseung OZ
(Vote): STX SouL
(Vote): I'm not in the mood for predictions, but I still want to press a button.
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for the inevitable tears after the killer all-kill?
i do think so.
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Let's see some sexy Killer / Perfectman action again 
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Man I'm so conflicted in this match. I just want Kal to win...
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United States5582 Posts
"STX Shelter," hahahah, how fitting.
Hrmmm... Your first try got a small quirk of a smile on my lips, but it feels like something is missing.... Or maybe I'm just not in a funny mood today? Good attempt though, please keep trying! I'd love to see more from you.  (Maybe a Modesty joke would be better next time, hahahah ;P)
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I love when Oz plays STX. That means the thread will pop up more than 2 minutes before the games start!
Great thread as always mustaju, but I'm rooting for Oz anyways lol!
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Hahaha, 'Shelter'? Must you really make them sound so desperate?
Your efforts are appreciated, and kittens and puppies are always good - is that a FlameWheel meme?
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Not a huge fan of Oz vs. STX because STX always insist on using Modesty to snipe Jaedong. I'm hoping for some good TvZ (Hiya vs. Calm, Jaedong vs. Bogus/CuteAngel) but we'll most likely get a lot of boring ZvZ.
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Loved the STX Shelter strip. Nice job mate. Made me chuckle while battling a long day at work
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On January 25 2011 11:28 Jragon wrote:
Hahaha, 'Shelter'? Must you really make them sound so desperate?
Your efforts are appreciated, and kittens and puppies are always good - is that a FlameWheel meme?
Kittens always make me happy.
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STX Shelter, awesome The combination of the word fly and the expression that Coach's face is hilarious! The only suggestion would be to try more girly pictures of Calm for the next one?
Go Jaedong, go!
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Excellent thread as always. Killer all-kill. It's happening. No really
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I think Jaedong has to win again!
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bogus will all-kill oz
or get denied by jd xD
hope to see great games
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OZ FIGHTING!!
Sorry STX, you guys stand no chance- OZ has been on a roll lately! :D
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
what ever this is we will have our totally bogus moments.
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On January 25 2011 10:16 Navi wrote:
for the inevitable tears after the killer all-kill?
i do think so.
On January 25 2011 11:50 n.DieJokes wrote:
Excellent thread as always. Killer all-kill. It's happening. No really
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United States13143 Posts
STX shelter was solid, but it wasn't as funny as Atrioc's Hwaseung House. I think it's because your team actually has more than one solid player which means that it's harder to gently poke fun at.
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Come on Oz 
Keep JD resting
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Gogo Oz, win without JD again =)
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STX FIGHTING!
comic is awesome
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On January 25 2011 10:35 slappy wrote:Let's see some sexy Killer / Perfectman action again
Nah, we need a Terran this time, so it's Lomo.
On January 25 2011 12:57 Yxes2211 wrote:Come on Oz Keep JD resting
Jaedong needs some wins as well, 2 per match would be enough.
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I hope Bogus doesn't go for all-kill or win a game at all cause his been eating my FPL team everytime he plays.
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Oz! Oz! Oz! All-kill for Killer!
I hope that they make JD smile again today, even though I won't be around to watch the games. :/
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i don't think i've ever seen oz as happy as they were when lomo did his 2-kill. (okay maybe it was just JD but JD = oz right?)
here's hoping for some more lomo action.
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GO TYRANT GO!!!
Seriously, who in STX can challenge JD? 
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thanks so much for stream
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Thanks for stream! Go Oz!
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wow. I'm totally feeling this "Condition" tab. Brings me back to my winning eleven days lol.
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the real question is, can anyone on Oz get past Bogus?
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calm looks like an indonesian :p
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Estonia4504 Posts
Gogo Calm! Show them your "new builds"!
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battle of the ocean-dwellers
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hmmmmmmm lol I have no idea who is gonna win :D. Since both players tend to play from godlike to omg wtf happened here
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United States5582 Posts
Lolz HiyA crying in chat.
...why am I staying up for this again @@;;
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Flying lurkers incoming!
vs. nukes or traps or something else Hiya.
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HiyA, "Constantly" is an awful name. Seriously. Go back, please.
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Oz players really come up with the worse namse. Constantly? Princess? Ugh ...
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On January 25 2011 18:12 Spica wrote:
Lolz HiyA crying in chat.
...why am I staying up for this again @@;;
Because the teams are awesome and because you spend way too much time with Starcraft.
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On January 25 2011 18:14 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 18:12 Spica wrote:
Lolz HiyA crying in chat.
...why am I staying up for this again @@;; Because the teams are awesome and because you spend way too much time with Starcraft.
Look who's talking lolz!
I guess I'm getting my hopes up too much for something epic to happen since it's HiyA up first... Now if it was Killer, I'd be out in a heartbeat.
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United States5582 Posts
Dat woman with binoculars in the audience- she's on a whole 'nother level.
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That person with the binoculars looked like Leta?
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A fish against a mollusk, great way to start the day !
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On January 25 2011 18:17 Spica wrote:
Dat woman with binoculars in the audience- she's on a whole 'nother level.
mere eyes are not sufficient for viewing the awesomeness that is about to occur
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fak why is hiya hesitating
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Calm is bad at zvt, more proof.
Man, that muta micro...
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stim + medic imba! LOL
late gg?
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Calm gg's! HiyA too good
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Wow calm, that was greedy :/
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Poll: Would you recommend game 1?No (16) 76% Check it out if you have time. (3) 14% Yes (2) 10% 21 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 1? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
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That was pretty  Flash-y of Hiya.
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LO L GO HIYA!
Seriously Calm...? Get beat by a sunken bust?
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Calm sighs and mutters a curse under his breath before he GGs.
Uhh... That "new build" of Calm's.... Looks like it never got to see the light of day. ~__~;
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seriously what was up with that queen's nest
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On January 25 2011 18:23 kdgns wrote:
seriously what was up with that queen's nest
Early hive.
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On January 25 2011 18:21 kuroshiroi wrote:That was pretty Flash-y of Hiya.
well.. I wouldn't go as far as to say that.. It was just a strong +1 pre lurk timing push. We might also conclude that Calm's muta micro was indeed quite subpar.
It was pretty downright terrible in fact. He killed a grand total of around 5 marines the entire game.
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Yeah, Calm played pretty poorly there. Which is good, I hope HiyA's next opponent does much the same.
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Magikarp uses Sunken Break ! It's super effective ! Clam is K.O. !
Who will STX send next ? Don't miss the next episode of Shinhan Pokemon !
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That was quick. I went to the mailbox, came back and it's over.
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 Calm's plan reminded me of Jaedong's time honoured 6 hatch no units build which Flash usually kills with a (unit + upgrade) timing attack, that's all. In that sense, Calm was pretty Jaedong-y there.
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the day jaedong changes his id, all respect for hwaseung will be lost.
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LMFAO that HiyA fan in the audience- her enthusiasm for HiyA is adorable!
On her sign: "HiyA! Get an all-kill please? And try to evolve to Gyrados..."
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stx bringing out the big gun already
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awesome, Hiya TvP is always great to watch
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On January 25 2011 18:30 GTR wrote:
the day jaedong changes his id, all respect for hwaseung will be lost.
not gonna happen!
no one else has balls enough to use their real name as progamer id!
ONLY THE DONG! GO LEGEND KILLER GO!
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On January 25 2011 18:32 gongryong wrote:
stx bringing out the big gun already
Yeah, not exactly sure what their plan is, Hiya may be slumping but he did take a game off Stork recently. Bogus would've been a better choice imo but let's see what happens.
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On January 25 2011 18:34 gongryong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 18:30 GTR wrote:
the day jaedong changes his id, all respect for hwaseung will be lost. not gonna happen! no one else has balls enough to use their real name as progamer id! ONLY THE DONG! GO LEGEND KILLER GO!
Jaehoon.
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On January 25 2011 18:34 gongryong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 18:30 GTR wrote:
the day jaedong changes his id, all respect for hwaseung will be lost. not gonna happen! no one else has balls enough to use their real name as progamer id! ONLY THE DONG! GO LEGEND KILLER GO!
...and Hyuk, Hyun and soo (just off the top of my head)
edit: bah and jaehoon, thanks Ryo.
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ˇThis is actually the worst PvT I've seen from Kal in a long while. I wonder what's bothering them.
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On January 25 2011 18:35 Ryo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 18:34 gongryong wrote:On January 25 2011 18:30 GTR wrote:
the day jaedong changes his id, all respect for hwaseung will be lost. not gonna happen! no one else has balls enough to use their real name as progamer id! ONLY THE DONG! GO LEGEND KILLER GO! Jaehoon.
Jaewho?
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Robotics + observatory up for Kal, lots of tanks for Koosh.
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On January 25 2011 18:37 gongryong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 18:35 Ryo wrote:On January 25 2011 18:34 gongryong wrote:On January 25 2011 18:30 GTR wrote:
the day jaedong changes his id, all respect for hwaseung will be lost. not gonna happen! no one else has balls enough to use their real name as progamer id! ONLY THE DONG! GO LEGEND KILLER GO! Jaehoon. Jaewho?
Jaewhoon
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On January 25 2011 18:37 gongryong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 18:35 Ryo wrote:On January 25 2011 18:34 gongryong wrote:On January 25 2011 18:30 GTR wrote:
the day jaedong changes his id, all respect for hwaseung will be lost. not gonna happen! no one else has balls enough to use their real name as progamer id! ONLY THE DONG! GO LEGEND KILLER GO! Jaehoon. Jaewho?
Jaedong's bff. I thought you were a JD fan?
Kal just terrible atm. Actually he hasn't been good in proleague since rd 1.
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Arbiters on the way, Koosh expanding. Both on 3 bases atm then.
Kal started his 4th right after that.
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benzene, like its father matchpoint, is so terrible late game due to map split. i wonder why they never updated detination! that map was legend
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100 goons + arbiter vs 1000 vults + some tanks
+ speedlots and goliaths
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United States5582 Posts
Don't forget 1000 zealots!
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that is a LOT of zealots. jesus.
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rofl wtf KAL ?????? where were your lots o.q
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way to block ur lots kal - -
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Comon Hiya allkill
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tank imba
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That was an AWFUL attack by Kal.
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What are you doing, Kal?
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Koosh just sniped two nexii, sweet.
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What the hell was kal doing with all his gas?
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Kal is just awful in this game, gets blocked by his own pylons...
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HIYA ALL KILL? thatd be the day!!
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Don't know who played worse, Kal or Calm
christ, whats wrong with STX.
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Yessss Hiyaaa! I knew there was a reason you're on my fantasy proleague team.
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Poll: Would you recommend game 2?No (12) 60% Yes (6) 30% Check it out if you have time. (2) 10% 20 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 2? (Vote): Yes
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(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
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So, Bogus and then Modesty?
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jaedong should start thinking about thursday's match instead
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Send Bogus now or be all-killed by Hiya.
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Really, I can't cheer for a player who plays like this. I still like him, but that was... atrocious.
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Kal laughing to himself after he GGs... I thought that he was the winner for a sec, with that bewildered grin on his face lolz.
HiyA make an all-kill, or someone from STX make an epic reverse all-kill plz.
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Pretty terrible army control cost Kal that game. To think Kal might actually get to the MSL finals with his horrible play as of late.
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Man. being Kal's army must suck. They all sacrificed themselves into fragmentation grenades and arclite shells. for nothing. Even the arbiter was being a lazy bum and only stasised 2 tanks before dying. That was etremely horrible from Kal. I want to think that Hiya is coming back, but those games were practically gifted to him. At least he's pulling some weight now!
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If this is another jaedong oz game without jaedong I might have to learn how to spell the name of the team correctly.
Damn you !
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Yeah Hiya wins games. That is a good sign.
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HiyA! <3
I really hope his slump is over, it's been so sad watching him play lately. But he's now 5-5 in his last ten, so that's good.
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don't tell me OZ gonna win without Jaedong in action again. NOOO..I wanna see the dong
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replay shows how idiot goons blocked the speedlots.
on a related note, ive always thought of siege tanks as massive hammers driving down the skull! really painful. irritate
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On January 25 2011 18:52 shizukuxii wrote:don't tell me OZ gonna win without Jaedong in action again. NOOO..I wanna see the dong
I prefer Oz in a KT situation, where Jaedong is the Final Boss and not the only Boss.
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Estonia4504 Posts
Really, those games were so awful, saying "HiyA is back" is very early. Sorry, HiyA, I love you too, but you don't want to win like this either, do you?
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magikarp on a rampage gogo!
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On January 25 2011 18:53 gongryong wrote:
replay shows how idiot goons blocked the speedlots.
on a related note, ive always thought of siege tanks as massive hammers driving down the skull! really painful. irritate
It's sad that players who practice 10 hours a day still block miserably their zealots with goons. Unless he was choking of course.
edit : reminds me of when I was at the STX Masters in Shanghai. Kal got destroyed by a terran STX B-teamer
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On January 25 2011 18:54 mustaju wrote:
Really, those games were so awful, saying "HiyA is back" is very early. Sorry, HiyA, I love you too, but you don't want to win like this either, do you?
Yes, but they give us hope. Just imagine if he lost to opponents playing like that...
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Oz and Ace really scraping the bottom LOL
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On January 25 2011 18:54 mustaju wrote:
Really, those games were so awful, saying "HiyA is back" is very early. Sorry, HiyA, I love you too, but you don't want to win like this either, do you?
When I see your posts I feel like I'm running around with 2 accounts. My feelings exactly.
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Looks Bogus. Apparently it's Last, no clue.
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51449 Posts
omg welcome back Last.
kid disappeared for like a century and i thought he quit. guess not.
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United States5582 Posts
Ahhh FBH in the other match! Where is that thread... D:
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in Hiya's defense, he played HEAPS better than he was a month ago
personally I was satisfied with that righteous TvP stomping, but im quite terran biased
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On January 25 2011 19:03 diskborste wrote:
No stream anymore?
Doesn't look like it no, just PiP.
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On January 25 2011 19:01 GTR wrote:omg welcome back Last. kid disappeared for like a century and i thought he quit. guess not.
I just discovered that he played in November. I didn't even know that. I figured he hadn't played since I got brain damage or something. The dude flies under the radar.
Did he ditch his terrible look by the start of this season?
Also, he better have been training up hard, because with a Terran line that has a ton of potential right now this looks suicidal from STX.
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That little box wont cut it
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Anyone know which is which colour?
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If anyone is willing to LR, I for one would appreciate the hell out of it.
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Estonia4504 Posts
Last is yellow. Last awesomely blocked a vulture that had made a half run-by.
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Somebody with a larger screen please LR? Also, we're missing an ACE vs. MBC thread, I think...
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HiyA wants to contain Last now.
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HiyA has more cloaked wraiths, tanks, and rines, but Last has an expansion on him.
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Another Wraith of Last dies.
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Last builds a valkyrie, but tanks are still shelling his natural. HiyA's natural is up.
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The containment finally dies, but a lot of mining time was lost, and the Valkyrie as well.
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During the counterattack, another of Last's valkyries dies to cloaked wraiths.
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Who is playing right now? The results shows hiya > last already.
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Estonia4504 Posts
The counterattack managed to take down all HiyA's wraiths but one and a few tanks, but at the cost of all of Last's Tanks. I'm not sure who is ahead.
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Last has built a new expansion at 7!
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Thanks for LRing Mustaju!
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Last uses dropships to trap some of Hiya's units, loses one (unloaded) to Hiya's cloaked wraiths.
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Last forces Hiya's counter attack into his main to withdraw with correctly placed tanks.
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Hiya pushes with his larger tank army and spots with wraiths, but all the wraiths die now. Some wierd supply depot building Barracks landing action going on at 5.
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HiyA gets an expansion up at 1.
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Last drops the cliff above Hiya's natural!
Which I might add, was done in a pretty cool fashion, eliminating turrets along the way.
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Last's tankline break fails horribly in the center!
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Hiya's Tankline break fails pretty badly too, Last apparently has an expo at 5, Hiya can't mine from his natural, he gg-s.
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Poll: Would you recommend game 3?No (4) 57% Yes (2) 29% Check it out if you have time. (1) 14% 7 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
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Bah, well 2 kills is better than 0. Just send out Anytime and kill this rookie + Bogus.
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Hiya did a good job for his team. Killer and Jd should be able to clean that up.
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Estonia4504 Posts
**** Now PPlive switched too. Can anyone stream?
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On January 25 2011 19:23 Fushin wrote:
Hiya did a good job for his team. Killer and Jd should be able to clean that up.
JD could clean it all up by himself 
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On January 25 2011 19:28 mustaju wrote:
**** Now PPlive switched too. Can anyone stream?
aahh
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konadora
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The stream is now listed under the Oz vs Stx game, but still no stream
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LOL sent out jd already. looks like jd is out for some blood
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Okey, ignore what I just said. Here we go!!!
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konadora
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PLU switched back now i think they were fixing some lag problems.
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konadora
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LKOLOLO LAST THOUGHT IT WAS 7 OCLOCK HAHAHAHA
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Fenrax
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lol if i was JD i would laugh my ass out seeint that bunker at 7
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Well, that was anticlimactic, makes a bunker at the wrong position.
Nerves, man.
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Who the fuck places a bunker from just seeing an overlord WTF are STX doing in the practise house ?
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hahaha. wouldve been successful if he didnt think jd was at 6/7ish. fail
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51449 Posts
......... and back to the dream leagues buddy.
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United States5582 Posts
Uhh, I just tune in to see some very... interesting stuff going on. The hell?
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Are you serious. Even if you didn't prepare a cheese, you should know how to bunker rush like a pro.
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Why abort the bunker rush now??? O-O
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Fenrax
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I like both so much, dont know who to root for.
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still its pretty even, jd lost 2 creeps, 1 drone + some zerlings
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Last aborts the proxy rax and the 2 marines inside die. Jaedong lost 2 sunkens and a couple drones in that excursion, and was forced to make quite a few lings!
He seems to be a bit behind, but we will have to see what happens from now!
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Dong should go pure hydra now
or infest a CC
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konadora
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pimp firebat and medic snipe
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"who needs sunkens when you have zerglings" - jaedong
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konadora
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omg jaedong why cut corners ;;
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Oh god learn to micro, that was terrible
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WOW. that is some defense. Hangs on by the hair of his chinny chin chin...
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Jaedong playing this beyond close to the edge in order to come back.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
Jaedong... stop giving me heart attacks man.
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omg jaedong, you not afraid to die? godly, fearless micro
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lol to be a jeadong fan is hard why he didnt this two sunkens a liitle bit earlier
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United States10328 Posts
wow jaedong so good
(btw it's funny that oz coaches prepared him for 4th set lololol)
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Fenrax
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woah JD
Incredible greed into god micro.
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T way ahead now, JD to play catch-up for his & Oz's life :x
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Jaedong got lucky that his opponent can't micro otherwise he'd be dead by now
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On January 25 2011 19:40 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Jaedong playing this beyond close to the edge in order to come back.
excuse me, which comeback exactly?
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wow, thats very entertaining!
back and forth
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On January 25 2011 19:40 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Jaedong playing this beyond close to the edge in order to come back.
He wasn't really behind.
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Wow I am amazed how well jaedong repulsed these pushes, now last is boned .
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good bye slight advantage T
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Is 7 up for JD? Can't see because of google banner :p
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On January 25 2011 19:42 nepeta wrote:
Is 7 up for JD? Can't see because of google banner :p
Yep
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On January 25 2011 19:41 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 19:40 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Jaedong playing this beyond close to the edge in order to come back. He wasn't really behind.
Ya he was, lost a lot to the early bunker push. Terran gave it back with the badly microed stim push though.
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Then he's not in so bad a spot as I thought, tg Now please have good lurker/swarm timing JD!
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On January 25 2011 19:43 nepeta wrote:Then he's not in so bad a spot as I thought, tg Now please have good lurker/swarm timing JD!
Don't worry. Jaedong will roll this kid easily in the midgame :D
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This game is rather intense...
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jaedong barely lost anything to the bunker push. He's expanding and teching all over the place, which is how he fell into danger in the first place, but he'll benefit from it a lot later on.
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Fenrax
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On January 25 2011 19:44 Lann555 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 19:43 nepeta wrote:Then he's not in so bad a spot as I thought, tg Now please have good lurker/swarm timing JD! Don't worry. Jaedong will roll this kid easily in the midgame :D
Wow, people need to start realizing how fucking good Bogus is.
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konadora
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On January 25 2011 19:45 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 19:44 Lann555 wrote:On January 25 2011 19:43 nepeta wrote:Then he's not in so bad a spot as I thought, tg Now please have good lurker/swarm timing JD! Don't worry. Jaedong will roll this kid easily in the midgame :D Wow, people need to start realizing how fucking good Bogus is.
but it's Last, not Bogus.
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Fenrax
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On January 25 2011 19:45 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 19:45 Fenrax wrote:On January 25 2011 19:44 Lann555 wrote:On January 25 2011 19:43 nepeta wrote:Then he's not in so bad a spot as I thought, tg Now please have good lurker/swarm timing JD! Don't worry. Jaedong will roll this kid easily in the midgame :D Wow, people need to start realizing how fucking good Bogus is. but it's Last, not Bogus.
then I talked shit!
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On January 25 2011 19:45 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 19:44 Lann555 wrote:On January 25 2011 19:43 nepeta wrote:Then he's not in so bad a spot as I thought, tg Now please have good lurker/swarm timing JD! Don't worry. Jaedong will roll this kid easily in the midgame :D Wow, people need to start realizing how fucking good Bogus is.
Or you should realize the terran playing is not Bogus.
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And besides that, Last is not making many mistakes. He's keeping his army together, has his base ----------------
and lets lurker/swarm hoisted up at his nat NVM LOL!
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Wow, that was sick play. Sacrificing some lings to get a huge plague off.
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godlike plague on marines
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On January 25 2011 19:44 kuroshiroi wrote:
This game is rather intense...
That girl in the audience who had a 8O ! expression on her face agrees with you!
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Oh, he clears his nat easily, gg! JD bleeding units all over the place, so many vessels out for Last :o JD needs to kill some m&m.
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lolol plague on cc
jd really has to deal with this vessel cloud
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JD needs those ultras before he gets busted somewhere!
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thank you JD for playing like shit in the beginning of this game to make it fun to watch.
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Actually Last is playing pretty damn decent for someone I hadn't heard of until today.
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ooooh drones not mining JD whats going on ?. hmm
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Jaedong forgets to put literally every drone in one expansion back on mining
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Oh wow, JD with an entire base of idle drones. That is going to mess with his timings pretty badly. Not looking good for JD.
-And then ultras pop out and all the vessels get sniped. Only JD.
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Ah, seems Last got his mech transition too late
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This is over, JD has map +econ.
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Can't afford to slip up vs the LJD ^^
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JD really not looking strong.
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ultra cavern going up for jd. last taking his 4th though--another good plague on m&m
lurker ling can they break the bunker at last's 3rd? lol no repair and they do
jd holds his 3rd again but a drop at his nat!
drones pulled drop cleared
jd losing lings to mines everywhere
last's 3rd held earlier, another attack--this time with defilers lol. mine kills stuff, jd trades some units
irradiated ultra running around
oops jd's drones not mining in the 3rd??? rofl
ultraling gogogo last transitioning into mine/tank
NICE PLAGUE on vessel cloud, drop in 4th (defended by tanks) but cracklings are gonna take it out??
last's 3rd lifted
jd flanks an mm ball, muta kills scourged vessels, 3rd of last lifted again
the ultras still seem slow..?? wait no what
another 5 ovie drop for jd to the southeast (last's 4th)
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LOL JD ferrying stuff across the map in unprotected ovies ^^
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drop + lings + swarm + plague and last's 4th goes down!
last gg's
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gg, nice game by Last though
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GG
Jaedong is on a rollllllllllllllll
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Ahahah Kona's stream freezing on the face of that handsome woman ^^
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Lag into coup de grace :o
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That was a fantastic game!
Last gg's, well fought.
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Last played alot better than I though he would.
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strange game by JD. He doesnt played very good, but for some reason JD was never in real danger.
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jaedong played horrendously that game, but hive tech play is so fun to watch. jaedong is lucky the msl doesn't have any terrans, because against any other terran he would have lost this game.
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wow, this games looks at first a little like
"Twilight of the Dong!"
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Last is terribly bad. His multitasking and macro is non-existent. Jaedong's play is decent, but not special.
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He obviously decided to stop mining for a while so that his oppononent has a chance. 3 bases vs 3 bases seemed fair
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wow. Extended heart attack. That was quite the entertaining game. Surprisingly, he played a similar game vs Baby a while ago where he was in a rather disadvantageous position and battled back to win it.
At so many points in the game, Last was so close to breaking JD's spine, but somehow JD would defend by a sliver.
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On January 25 2011 19:59 StylishVODs wrote:
Last played alot better than I though he would.
Yeah, really solid early game, mid game was ok, but he should have forced an opening with a drop or something, instead of patrolling the middle. Still, looks like a promising player.
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On January 25 2011 20:00 rainei wrote:
wow. Extended heart attack. That was quite the entertaining game. Surprisingly, he played a similar game vs Baby a while ago where he was in a rather disadvantageous position and battled back to win it.
At so many points in the game, Last was so close to breaking JD's spine, but somehow JD would defend by a sliver.
Honestly, while watching that game, would you call the Zerg Jaedong not knowing that he's playing? JD used to be so much better than this.
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On January 25 2011 19:59 chisuri wrote:
Last is terribly bad. His multitasking and macro is non-existent. Jaedong's play is decent, but not special.
Are you kidding me?
Last played very well, he played a better SK terran lategame than Leta/Fantasy usually do. He played a very strong TvZ and macro'd well and kept multitasking and keeping map control with mines. Now if it was Light/Flash, they would've rolled JD in that game, but last played a strong game.
On January 25 2011 20:02 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:00 rainei wrote:
wow. Extended heart attack. That was quite the entertaining game. Surprisingly, he played a similar game vs Baby a while ago where he was in a rather disadvantageous position and battled back to win it.
At so many points in the game, Last was so close to breaking JD's spine, but somehow JD would defend by a sliver. Honestly, while watching that game, would you call the Zerg Jaedong not knowing that he's playing? JD used to be so much better than this.
I agree with you, for the last season, and this current season, JD's play in all mus has dropped significantly, he's just a lot more sloppy, has weaker reflexes, and weaker management and decision making in general, it's not only his opponents getting better, his play is sloppy itself. I have no clue how he reached dual finals last season, but he did, and he keeps bringing in results.
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mustaju - THIS IS jaedong. He's always played using his micro skills to win. So many times he puts you on the edge of your seat but he pulls through.
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On January 25 2011 20:04 blue001 wrote:
mustaju - THIS IS jaedong. He's always played using his micro skills to win. So many times he puts you on the edge of your seat but he pulls through.
Jaedong used to play with awesome decision making, great multitasking and superb micro. This game his drones quit mining for several minutes, and it took him 20+ minutes to defeat a low ranked Terran who failed a 7rax bunker rush.
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Paralyze on the Sungchoon show... I wish could watch MBCGame.
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JD got bunker rushed and then attacked twice with lots of bio units while still only having a pool, I don't think any other zerg would've managed to hold that off. Then he had to basically be on the defensive until the last 5 minutes at which point he finally managed to reclaim map control and roll over Last with superior harass and attacks. It may not have been perfect, but it was impressive, at least to me. Sure, Flash and Light would've probably won that but then again, if it was any other zerg, they'd most likely fallen.
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I really hope they send Bogus next and not Modesty.
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On January 25 2011 20:02 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:00 rainei wrote:
wow. Extended heart attack. That was quite the entertaining game. Surprisingly, he played a similar game vs Baby a while ago where he was in a rather disadvantageous position and battled back to win it.
At so many points in the game, Last was so close to breaking JD's spine, but somehow JD would defend by a sliver. Honestly, while watching that game, would you call the Zerg Jaedong not knowing that he's playing? JD used to be so much better than this.
Really? What other Zerg right now would you say could play like that? The multi-tasking, the micro, the decision making... He's still the best. (Zero can play at this level but only sometimes).
edit: Also, Jaedong's drone count was really low early in that game. He had to sacrifice a lot to build lings, lost some drones and lost more to build sunkens. Of course it will take time to recover from that. Not that he hasn't played better in the past though...
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On January 25 2011 20:02 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:00 rainei wrote:
wow. Extended heart attack. That was quite the entertaining game. Surprisingly, he played a similar game vs Baby a while ago where he was in a rather disadvantageous position and battled back to win it.
At so many points in the game, Last was so close to breaking JD's spine, but somehow JD would defend by a sliver. Honestly, while watching that game, would you call the Zerg Jaedong not knowing that he's playing? JD used to be so much better than this.
Sadly, I agree with you in the fact that JD used to stomp his opponents quite ruthlessly. Him losing would either be something very strange and not just regular play. Recently, his opponents have been pushing him to the limit quite often, and as a spectator with a vested interest in him winning, it gives me a heart attack, but I guess for a neutral fan, the games would be much more entertaining, with the razor thin defenses in this game.
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look at this beautiful attack Jaedong knows how to fight <3
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On January 25 2011 19:59 tabula rasa wrote:
jaedong played horrendously that game, but hive tech play is so fun to watch. jaedong is lucky the msl doesn't have any terrans, because against any other terran he would have lost this game.
I think its still difficult to judge, If JD was a robot or a machine AI, you could be right by 100%, but he's just a man, like Kal today, that played like chit, but that doesn't mean he would have lost to a serious player in the same fashion. It all about your mood, your healthy state and many other reasons, that many of us do not count in here, we just want our player to play always good like a bot, that is not happening)
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On January 25 2011 20:05 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:04 blue001 wrote:
mustaju - THIS IS jaedong. He's always played using his micro skills to win. So many times he puts you on the edge of your seat but he pulls through. Jaedong used to play with awesome decision making, great multitasking and superb micro. This game his drones quit mining for several minutes, and it took him 20+ minutes to defeat a low ranked Terran who failed a 7rax bunker rush.
True, that bunker fail was hilarious. But jaedong really seems to love that lategame hive tech play.
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On January 25 2011 20:05 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:04 blue001 wrote:
mustaju - THIS IS jaedong. He's always played using his micro skills to win. So many times he puts you on the edge of your seat but he pulls through. Jaedong used to play with awesome decision making, great multitasking and superb micro. This game his drones quit mining for several minutes, and it took him 20+ minutes to defeat a low ranked Terran who failed a 7rax bunker rush.
Oh, you were an observer in this game and looking at the drones exclusively? Big maps=longer games, you know? He decided to play more defensively and imo it was a good decision. And his dropship defense was superb.
btw: He lost 2 marines in that bunker rush, not more. So he didn't even commit himself to it.
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On January 25 2011 20:07 Goragoth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:02 mustaju wrote:On January 25 2011 20:00 rainei wrote:
wow. Extended heart attack. That was quite the entertaining game. Surprisingly, he played a similar game vs Baby a while ago where he was in a rather disadvantageous position and battled back to win it.
At so many points in the game, Last was so close to breaking JD's spine, but somehow JD would defend by a sliver. Honestly, while watching that game, would you call the Zerg Jaedong not knowing that he's playing? JD used to be so much better than this. Really? What other Zerg right now would you say could play like that? The multi-tasking, the micro, the decision making... He's still the best. (Zero can play at this level but only sometimes).
Hydra, to be frank. Hydra has been a lot more dominant than Jaedong for the entire season, and while I do think Zerg in general suck right now, I wouldn't call that play anywhere near good even by Zerg standards.
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On January 25 2011 20:08 rainei wrote:
...and as a spectator with a vested interest in him winning, it gives me a heart attack, but I guess for a neutral fan, the games would be much more entertaining, with the razor thin defenses in this game. If you want to cheer for a player who roflstomps his opponents every time, cheer for Flash. Jaedong has always been about staying at the edge, the entire zerg race is like that; One major (maybe even minor) mistake and you're completely dead.
I honestly couldn't see any mistakes in that game from JD, other than the idle drones.
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Bogus, this time really Bogus.
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I don't want to come off as a JD hater. Really, I love the Dong and don't care if he wins or loses. But he's just not S-class anymore.
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This map isn't good for tvz :/
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On January 25 2011 20:11 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:07 Goragoth wrote:On January 25 2011 20:02 mustaju wrote:On January 25 2011 20:00 rainei wrote:
wow. Extended heart attack. That was quite the entertaining game. Surprisingly, he played a similar game vs Baby a while ago where he was in a rather disadvantageous position and battled back to win it.
At so many points in the game, Last was so close to breaking JD's spine, but somehow JD would defend by a sliver. Honestly, while watching that game, would you call the Zerg Jaedong not knowing that he's playing? JD used to be so much better than this. Really? What other Zerg right now would you say could play like that? The multi-tasking, the micro, the decision making... He's still the best. (Zero can play at this level but only sometimes). Hydra, to be frank. Hydra has been a lot more dominant than Jaedong for the entire season, and while I do think Zerg in general suck right now, I wouldn't call that play anywhere near good even by Zerg standards.
Hydra's game against Bogus looked quite bad though. He was in a good position in the mid-game with his crazy-zerg strategy and then blew it with terrible defiler usage.
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woo each team's ace player out =]
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On January 25 2011 20:11 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:07 Goragoth wrote:On January 25 2011 20:02 mustaju wrote:On January 25 2011 20:00 rainei wrote:
wow. Extended heart attack. That was quite the entertaining game. Surprisingly, he played a similar game vs Baby a while ago where he was in a rather disadvantageous position and battled back to win it.
At so many points in the game, Last was so close to breaking JD's spine, but somehow JD would defend by a sliver. Honestly, while watching that game, would you call the Zerg Jaedong not knowing that he's playing? JD used to be so much better than this. Really? What other Zerg right now would you say could play like that? The multi-tasking, the micro, the decision making... He's still the best. (Zero can play at this level but only sometimes). Hydra, to be frank. Hydra has been a lot more dominant than Jaedong for the entire season, and while I do think Zerg in general suck right now, I wouldn't call that play anywhere near good even by Zerg standards.
On January 25 2011 20:13 mustaju wrote:
I don't want to come off as a JD hater. Really, I love the Dong and don't care if he wins or loses. But he's just not S-class anymore.
What are you on mate?
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Yessss send more minions to boost jaedongs vT stats!
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On January 25 2011 20:10 tabula rasa wrote:
But jaedong really seems to love that lategame hive tech play.
Yeah. I don't know whether his aggressive side hasn't stayed as powerful or whether he has worked more on management. But some of Jaedong's best games are the really close walkovers, if that oxymoron makes sense. The games where he just barely kills his opponent - sometimes even Flash - with muta/ling only.
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On January 25 2011 20:13 mustaju wrote:
I don't want to come off as a JD hater. Really, I love the Dong and don't care if he wins or loses. But he's just not S-class anymore.
His play wasnt as solid as it used to look, but you cannot demote him to A class when he has hit a bit rougher patch for a while, he is still major favourite to win MSL and I believe he will power through when he will need to.
We are talking about Jaedong after all. he doesnt believe in slumps.
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On January 25 2011 20:13 mustaju wrote:
I don't want to come off as a JD hater. Really, I love the Dong and don't care if he wins or loses. But he's just not S-class anymore. Yes, that's true.
I hope so, he wins this MSL, because that is possibly the last title he wins...
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On January 25 2011 20:11 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:07 Goragoth wrote:On January 25 2011 20:02 mustaju wrote:On January 25 2011 20:00 rainei wrote:
wow. Extended heart attack. That was quite the entertaining game. Surprisingly, he played a similar game vs Baby a while ago where he was in a rather disadvantageous position and battled back to win it.
At so many points in the game, Last was so close to breaking JD's spine, but somehow JD would defend by a sliver. Honestly, while watching that game, would you call the Zerg Jaedong not knowing that he's playing? JD used to be so much better than this. Really? What other Zerg right now would you say could play like that? The multi-tasking, the micro, the decision making... He's still the best. (Zero can play at this level but only sometimes). Hydra, to be frank. Hydra has been a lot more dominant than Jaedong for the entire season, and while I do think Zerg in general suck right now, I wouldn't call that play anywhere near good even by Zerg standards.
no quite dominant, they both have similar stats in 38 last games (38-10). I think you mean the style of his games? yes, don't forget Hydra has momentum and his current top form, JD is just playing on a regular mode. So its indeed very very difficult to compare. Should we take JD in his prime, top form, would you call Hydra an opponent?
an addition, I do agree that JD's play dropped a little, to the level that any decent player is a threat to him, he used to play such games a lot better just couple of months ago. Dunno, JD had a little slump some time ago, I think he can put it together when needed
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bogus hesitates and retreats. i'm calling it for jaedong right now.
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Good timing and econ from JD with 3 hatches surprisingly off a pool first build.
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Being a marine, how would you feel if you heard JD's mutas scream in the night? ^^
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On January 25 2011 20:19 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:11 mustaju wrote:On January 25 2011 20:07 Goragoth wrote:On January 25 2011 20:02 mustaju wrote:On January 25 2011 20:00 rainei wrote:
wow. Extended heart attack. That was quite the entertaining game. Surprisingly, he played a similar game vs Baby a while ago where he was in a rather disadvantageous position and battled back to win it.
At so many points in the game, Last was so close to breaking JD's spine, but somehow JD would defend by a sliver. Honestly, while watching that game, would you call the Zerg Jaedong not knowing that he's playing? JD used to be so much better than this. Really? What other Zerg right now would you say could play like that? The multi-tasking, the micro, the decision making... He's still the best. (Zero can play at this level but only sometimes). Hydra, to be frank. Hydra has been a lot more dominant than Jaedong for the entire season, and while I do think Zerg in general suck right now, I wouldn't call that play anywhere near good even by Zerg standards. no quite dominant, they both have similar stats in 38 last games (38-10). I think you mean the style? yes, don't forget Hydra has momentum and his current top form, JD is just playing on a regular mode. So its indeed very very difficult to compare. Should we take JD in his prime, top form, would you call Hydra an opponent?
That's exactly it. Hydra's games looked like he was never really behind, it was just inconveniences till he won. JD used to look like that. Now he doesn't.
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Is this the dong you guys wanted?
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Looks like Jaedong wanted to practice muta micro today.
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On January 25 2011 20:17 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:10 tabula rasa wrote:
But jaedong really seems to love that lategame hive tech play. Yeah. I don't know whether his aggressive side hasn't stayed as powerful or whether he has worked more on management. But some of Jaedong's best games are the really close walkovers, if that oxymoron makes sense. The games where he just barely kills his opponent - sometimes even Flash - with muta/ling only.
It is a general trend zerg players start agressive and tend to transition into more lategame oriented play as they get older, must be something connected with teenage-angst
Unless you are Kwanro, Kwanro stays true to himself!
And as I am typing this Jaedong is raping Bogus with mutas :D
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On January 25 2011 20:21 samachking wrote:
Is this the dong you guys wanted?
Same Jaedong, Bogus just left an opening which Last didn't.
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Jaedong loves himself some Hive these days, almost done already.
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On January 25 2011 20:13 mustaju wrote:
I don't want to come off as a JD hater. Really, I love the Dong and don't care if he wins or loses. But he's just not S-class anymore.
There's form and then there's class. Jaedong is in poor form but that doesn't mean he isn't S-class anymore.
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Bogus going for the siege tank pre-defiler timing push, JD stomps part of his army. JD has the map for now.
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That was really good, I'll admit.
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United States5018 Posts
JD on too much fire it seems. Not much Bogus can do.
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DROPSHIP SNIPED
JD on top of his game.
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Sooo many lurkers..... the Dirty Dozen...
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I think I'll just leave these 11 lurkers here to say hi...
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Now that is JD playing serious shit.
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JD has as many lurkers as Bogus has marines, defilers are out, 4th is being established. How will this end???
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JD fully prepared at the 4th with lurker/defiler.
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Wow. This is really amazing. Where was this Jaedong vs. Bisu and Stork?
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On January 25 2011 20:21 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:19 letian wrote:On January 25 2011 20:11 mustaju wrote:On January 25 2011 20:07 Goragoth wrote:On January 25 2011 20:02 mustaju wrote:On January 25 2011 20:00 rainei wrote:
wow. Extended heart attack. That was quite the entertaining game. Surprisingly, he played a similar game vs Baby a while ago where he was in a rather disadvantageous position and battled back to win it.
At so many points in the game, Last was so close to breaking JD's spine, but somehow JD would defend by a sliver. Honestly, while watching that game, would you call the Zerg Jaedong not knowing that he's playing? JD used to be so much better than this. Really? What other Zerg right now would you say could play like that? The multi-tasking, the micro, the decision making... He's still the best. (Zero can play at this level but only sometimes). Hydra, to be frank. Hydra has been a lot more dominant than Jaedong for the entire season, and while I do think Zerg in general suck right now, I wouldn't call that play anywhere near good even by Zerg standards. no quite dominant, they both have similar stats in 38 last games (38-10). I think you mean the style? yes, don't forget Hydra has momentum and his current top form, JD is just playing on a regular mode. So its indeed very very difficult to compare. Should we take JD in his prime, top form, would you call Hydra an opponent? That's exactly it. Hydra's games looked like he was never really behind, it was just inconveniences till he won. JD used to look like that. Now he doesn't.
But thats the whole point, there have been dozens of good up and coming young players hitting hot streak and playing great starcraft managing to attain level close to TaekBang LeeSsang but after a while they are swept below the carpet as greats come back ,
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Bogus' assault on JD's 4th gets deflected easily, JD on 4, Bogus on 2, JD with a huge army. Will he be able to kill T before ultras?
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Unfortunataly for Bogus JD decides to play good against him.
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Jd with the snail pace ol drop ^^
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now it's clearly seen how different JD is when he's toying with the opponent and when he's concentrated and focused on the win. Flawless play.
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On January 25 2011 20:28 Quarz wrote:
Unfortunataly for Bogus JD decides to play good against him.
LOL)
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Yeah, completely over now, unless Bogus becomes Flash and Jaedong becomes... Clam.
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Sick multitasking from the Dong!
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I think bogus needs to use his vessles better
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Bogus' minimap must be dysfunctional, he's losing every battle because he's always 2 seconds late to manage stuff.
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jd seems extra plague happy today?
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Jd drops into the back of the main, plauges the depos
bye bye supply
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don't gg, i want to see every last building destroyed
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geeeeeegeeeeeeee come on bogus
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bye-bye, supply depots ...
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too many stork/bisu fans in here bashing the dong
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my god, jaedong played perfectly this game
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that made Bogus look like some D terran oh god
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Ok lol that drop killed like 1544232 depots in retaliation to the killed hatchery :p
Jaedong had his hands warmed, and DESTROYYYYYYYEEEDDDDD utterly lol !
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GGGGGGGGGGGGGG
COMPLETE DOMINATIONNN
PLAY LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME JD !
Please destroy snow.
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That was a good, old-fashioned JvScrub, gg ^^
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Completely outclassed, Jaedong played that flawlessly.
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LEE JAE DONG <3! GOGO Hwasung oz ^^
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Cracklings are sick, taking out heaps of depots, COWS ARE OUT JAEDONG SAVES HIS 3RD AND GG
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BRUTAL DOMINANCE BY JAEDONG. That was absolutely perfect
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perfect, sick rape. In your face, you all Dong haters over there
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Not S-class anymore, psshh.
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pretty much JD is unstoppable when he get to hive tech
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I was hoping, but man, JD played extremely well that game.
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Feels pretty ironic coming back to watch the last game after read LR where people calls JD "just another zerg" more or less. That looked pretty good to me.
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The only base Bogus had a chance at was the undefended 5th while JD was tearing apart all his expansions and main with doom drops.
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Ahhhhh its so nice, I have a pure feeling of a fan happiness filling my heart right now, fuck yeah Jae!
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This made me a believer again. It's nice to see good Zerg play.
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On January 25 2011 20:34 Zinbiel wrote:
Feels pretty ironic coming back to watch the last game after read LR where people calls JD "just another zerg" more or less. That looked pretty good to me.
If this is how Jaedong looks in a bad day <3
Gogogo 6th title
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So many confused people in this thread. JD was in full control of both the ZvTs he played today - ye some slipups but seriously there was absolutly at no point where he was in trouble. He played them out with the mindset of having a 100% chance to win increasing his advantage all the time.
JD not S-class? ROFL
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On January 25 2011 20:34 NovaTheFeared wrote:
The only base Bogus had a chance at was the undefended 5th while JD was tearing apart all his expansions and main with doom drops.
I really wish people would stop abusing the word 'doomdrop', they just don't understand the metagame TT
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Hiya MVP, looks like he doesn't believe it, lol
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On January 25 2011 20:34 Zinbiel wrote:
Feels pretty ironic coming back to watch the last game after read LR where people calls JD "just another zerg" more or less. That looked pretty good to me.
People trolling. Wish you were able to block certain people's posts.
Also:
On January 25 2011 15:16 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 10:35 slappy wrote:Let's see some sexy Killer / Perfectman action again Nah, we need a Terran this time, so it's Lomo. Jaedong needs some wins as well, 2 per match would be enough.
It was Hiya, but still...
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bogus wont win anything for at least 1 week after getting slaughtered like that
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On January 25 2011 20:34 mustaju wrote:This made me a believer again. It's nice to see good Zerg play.
U see, not so bad isn't it? I think its all goes down to your mood and physical state, top condition vs top condition gives us epic games. Today Bogus was a little underprepared or maybe he got a stomach ache in the morning, so he got rolled, who knows
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On January 25 2011 20:12 kuroshiroi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:08 rainei wrote:
...and as a spectator with a vested interest in him winning, it gives me a heart attack, but I guess for a neutral fan, the games would be much more entertaining, with the razor thin defenses in this game. If you want to cheer for a player who roflstomps his opponents every time, cheer for Flash. Jaedong has always been about staying at the edge, the entire zerg race is like that; One major (maybe even minor) mistake and you're completely dead. I honestly couldn't see any mistakes in that game from JD, other than the idle drones.
I want to cheer for JD, and Zerg basically. That's why watching BW is always an emotional rollercoaster, and who ever said rollercoasters ain't fun!
On January 25 2011 20:34 mustaju wrote:This made me a believer again. It's nice to see good Zerg play.
lol. This last game is more representative of JD's skill eh?
He must have heard your complaints. "What's that? Mustaju from Estonia doubts my abilities? Here, let me show you how it's done."
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Estonia4504 Posts
On January 25 2011 20:37 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:34 mustaju wrote:This made me a believer again. It's nice to see good Zerg play. U see, not so bad isn't it? I think its all goes down to your mood and physical state, top condition vs top condition gives us epic games. Today Bogus was a little underprepared or maybe he got a stomach ache in the morning, so he got rolled, who knows
I think the initial great attack sealed the game for JD, and after that, Bogus couldn't catch up. He played well too, but unlike against last, JD used his advantage much better and didn't blow it with overaggression.
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Now we need jaedong to brush up his zvp and theres jaedong back for you
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Jaedong owned bogus like every second of that game. I don't know what that means though, I haven't seen the good play from bogus yet this season (I haven't seen all of his games though..)
On January 25 2011 20:34 mustaju wrote:This made me a believer again. It's nice to see good Zerg play.
You are seriously opportunistic imo. You didn't see that Jaedong did exactly the same thing last game, with just a couple of small errors, but also with mor brilliance from time to time (the two-proned attack, the defence of the bunker rush)?
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I love the way Oz is playing right now. In their last 3 games, every player they sent out did their part.
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question: if a single lurker is in a dark swarm and a tank in siege mode fires on it, does the lurker take damage?
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On January 25 2011 20:41 tabula rasa wrote:
question: if a single lurker is in a dark swarm and a tank in siege mode fires on it, does the lurker take damage?
no. Splash doesn't work on burrowed units.
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On January 25 2011 20:41 tabula rasa wrote:
question: if a single lurker is in a dark swarm and a tank in siege mode fires on it, does the lurker take damage?
No, invincible lurker is invincible.
User was warned for this post
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Sweet, Oz on a roll! In their last 3 games they have gone 4-1, and all sent out players have gotten 2 kills each
Also the last game was pure art from Jaedong.
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On January 25 2011 20:44 InFdude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:43 rainei wrote:On January 25 2011 20:41 tabula rasa wrote:
question: if a single lurker is in a dark swarm and a tank in siege mode fires on it, does the lurker take damage? no. Splash doesn't work on burrowed units. But scarab splash will.
Scarab is a melee attack, afaik? Tank is ranged, etc. I'm probably wrong.
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what if the lurker isn't burrowed?
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lurks can be hit if unburrowed. When burrowed the only terran units that can damage it are mines, firebats and spells like irradiate and yamato iirc. (under dark swarm)
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On January 25 2011 20:45 kuroshiroi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:44 InFdude wrote:On January 25 2011 20:43 rainei wrote:On January 25 2011 20:41 tabula rasa wrote:
question: if a single lurker is in a dark swarm and a tank in siege mode fires on it, does the lurker take damage? no. Splash doesn't work on burrowed units. But scarab splash will. Scarab is a melee attack, afaik? Tank is ranged, etc. I'm probably wrong.
Yea, scarab acts a melee unit. which hurts alot. If the lurker is unburrowed and the tank fires, the actual shell still misses, but the lurker gets hit by the shrapnel.
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On January 25 2011 20:41 Elroi wrote:Jaedong owned bogus like every second of that game. I don't know what that means though, I haven't seen the good play from bogus yet this season (I haven't seen all of his games though..) Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:34 mustaju wrote:This made me a believer again. It's nice to see good Zerg play. You are seriously opportunistic imo. You didn't see that Jaedong did exactly the same thing last game, with just a couple of small errors, but also with mor brilliance from time to time (the two-proned attack, the defence of the bunker rush)?
I'll take that criticism gladly, seeing JD play well again does that to me. But I think you are oversimplifying here. "A couple of small errors" included over-aggression, attacking the terran where he was strong with inferior forces, and staying on 4 bases for way too long, sometimes mismicroing. Maybe when I rewatch the game, I'll be able to see my own assessment mistakes, as I'd love to be wrong in that regard.
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On January 25 2011 20:46 blue001 wrote:
lurks can be hit if unburrowed. When burrowed the only terran units that can damage it are mines, firebats and spells like irradiate and yamato iirc. (under dark swarm)
Why would yamato work? Not that it would ever come up in a game ^^
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On January 25 2011 20:48 kuroshiroi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:46 blue001 wrote:
lurks can be hit if unburrowed. When burrowed the only terran units that can damage it are mines, firebats and spells like irradiate and yamato iirc. (under dark swarm) Why would yamato work? Not that it would ever come up in a game ^^
Because it is a spell.
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On January 25 2011 20:50 Cpadolf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:48 kuroshiroi wrote:On January 25 2011 20:46 blue001 wrote:
lurks can be hit if unburrowed. When burrowed the only terran units that can damage it are mines, firebats and spells like irradiate and yamato iirc. (under dark swarm) Why would yamato work? Not that it would ever come up in a game ^^ Because it is a spell.
Makes sense. It's ranged too though but I guess spell > spell animation effect.
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On January 25 2011 20:48 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:41 Elroi wrote:Jaedong owned bogus like every second of that game. I don't know what that means though, I haven't seen the good play from bogus yet this season (I haven't seen all of his games though..) On January 25 2011 20:34 mustaju wrote:This made me a believer again. It's nice to see good Zerg play. You are seriously opportunistic imo. You didn't see that Jaedong did exactly the same thing last game, with just a couple of small errors, but also with mor brilliance from time to time (the two-proned attack, the defence of the bunker rush)? I'll take that criticism gladly, seeing JD play well again does that to me. But I think you are oversimplifying here. "A couple of small errors" included over-aggression, attacking the terran where he was strong with inferior forces, and staying on 4 bases for way too long, sometimes mismicroing. Maybe when I rewatch the game, I'll be able to see my own assessment mistakes, as I'd love to be wrong in that regard.
He turtled on 4 bases in both games to make that doom attack that killed Last with uppgraded ultras. It was his game plan, not just some random shit he made up there because the terran pressured him too much. He did exactly the same thing vs Bogus. Atleast, that's how I understood. I could be wrong though.
Tbh, if you didn't know about that game plan, his play looks very static. That's probably why he has been looking bad against protoss when they manage new timing attacks. Personally I prefer the agressive two base play he did before, but maybe that has been figured out. You almost never see zergs do that anymore, which looks rather silly right now in zvp especially - but maybe it just isn't viable/safe. I hope he will be able to show some new agressive zvp builds in the MSL finals against Stork.
edit: thx for the OP btw and the LR'ing
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JAEDONG FTW!!!
Damn, I don't think I've ever seen such beautiful zvt. Especially the game he got cheesed, it looked like Jaedong was losing it, but no, he somehow held on. And then, against Bogus, he was down in BO match overpool vs 1 rax CC, but the Dong still came through
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On January 25 2011 20:43 rainei wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:41 tabula rasa wrote:
question: if a single lurker is in a dark swarm and a tank in siege mode fires on it, does the lurker take damage? no. Splash doesn't work on burrowed units.
no. The single lurker is the focus of the attack, so it recieves no splash damage.
However, if a lurker were to be right beside or burrowed on top of the original lurker under fire, it would take splash damage.
ie you can't splash a single unit. DUH
Ahh... noobs everywhere =).
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For once, JD actually played an impressive game. That's a good thing, I don't really want him to be doing poorly.
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Great game against Bogus, he really manhandled him, and he's in not a bad player, in fact, he has excellent record on the Proleague (funnily enough, he's three last losses are agaisnt Bisu, Flash and Jaedong... the S-class players telling him that he is good but not that good).
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On January 25 2011 21:25 legaton wrote:
Great game against Bogus, he really manhandled him, and he's in not a bad player, in fact, he has excellent record on the Proleague (funnily enough, he's three last losses are agaisnt Bisu, Flash and Jaedong... the S-class players telling him that he is good but not that good).
Sounds like a new Hwasin in the making.
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Great to hear that JD impressed again. Gonna have to watch those games when they're uploaded. ^__^
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On January 25 2011 22:19 Holgerius wrote:Great to hear that JD impressed again.
I didn't think he was very impressive in his game vs Last. Was pretty sloppy by (former) JD standards. His second game was more stable.
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Happy day for an OZ fan, JD FTW!
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Yayy, another Oz victory! Even though HiyA is on my anti, it's still nice to see him winning a few! Oz for SWL winners!!
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On January 25 2011 18:34 gongryong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 18:30 GTR wrote:
the day jaedong changes his id, all respect for hwaseung will be lost. not gonna happen! no one else has balls enough to use their real name as progamer id! ONLY THE DONG! GO LEGEND KILLER GO!
Cept Jaehoon. And anybody in the n.die clan. :D
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On January 25 2011 21:21 SuperJongMan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:43 rainei wrote:On January 25 2011 20:41 tabula rasa wrote:
question: if a single lurker is in a dark swarm and a tank in siege mode fires on it, does the lurker take damage? no. Splash doesn't work on burrowed units. no. The single lurker is the focus of the attack, so it recieves no splash damage. However, if a lurker were to be right beside or burrowed on top of the original lurker under fire, it would take splash damage. ie you can't splash a single unit. DUH Ahh... noobs everywhere =).
He said a burrowed Lurker under swarm, which does indeed take no damage.
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Just saw the games, first game of JD had good micro but was more of a Last bunker rush fail(Wtf was that)
Second game of JD was just too awesome for words, its like total domination JD all over the place multitasking, muta micro, doomdrops. I loved it
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The game vs Bogus was indeed pretty awesome. Very entertaining and impressive play.
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Yes a burrowed lurker under swarm CAN take damage if another lurker is standing or burrowed just next to it, as someone already pointed out. Anyway JD looking good again, hope he gets his zvp together :D
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Russian Federation3329 Posts
lol just saw the Jaedong Bogus game haha Jaedong's ceremony at the end is so timid and cute
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On January 25 2011 21:33 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 21:25 legaton wrote:
Great game against Bogus, he really manhandled him, and he's in not a bad player, in fact, he has excellent record on the Proleague (funnily enough, he's three last losses are agaisnt Bisu, Flash and Jaedong... the S-class players telling him that he is good but not that good). Sounds like a new Hwasin in the making.
That's insulting to Hwasin fangirls everywhere. Hwasin is half about TvZ and half about his pretty looks
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rofl wow did Jaedong roll Bogus :D. Hope to see more of that :D
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lol its so funny seeing pg 13-15 "omg jaedong isn't playing well, there's no way he's S class" then pg 17-18 "COMPLETE DOMINATION"
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JD so happy...just warms my heart.
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just saw these games and i'd have to say that i squirmed when i watched game 4
how can a terran who cheesed twice in the same game, and both got blocked (proxy bunker rush, 1 base sunken break) not automatically lose the game? I guess that is the inherent imbalance in TvZ, teh dong played his ass off, major props
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On January 26 2011 05:00 dani_caliKorea wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 21:33 Roffles wrote:On January 25 2011 21:25 legaton wrote:
Great game against Bogus, he really manhandled him, and he's in not a bad player, in fact, he has excellent record on the Proleague (funnily enough, he's three last losses are agaisnt Bisu, Flash and Jaedong... the S-class players telling him that he is good but not that good). Sounds like a new Hwasin in the making. That's insulting to Hwasin fangirls everywhere. Hwasin is half about TvZ and half about his pretty looks
lets get Bogus some plastic surgery then
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On January 26 2011 04:36 Loffeman wrote:
Yes a burrowed lurker under swarm CAN take damage if another lurker is standing or burrowed just next to it, as someone already pointed out. Anyway JD looking good again, hope he gets his zvp together :D
I'm actually pretty sure a burrowed lurk under swarm cant get hurt by a tank no matter what, I tested this a couple weeks ago
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On January 26 2011 07:39 lastmotion wrote:
just saw these games and i'd have to say that i squirmed when i watched game 4
how can a terran who cheesed twice in the same game, and both got blocked (proxy bunker rush, 1 base sunken break) not automatically lose the game? I guess that is the inherent imbalance in TvZ, teh dong played his ass off, major props
1 base sunken break is not cheese and he expanded behind it. Both were blocked but they did enough damage for the game to continue, JD's handling of the delayed bunker rush was particularly poor and put him behind despite eventually beating it off (only 2 marines died, making the subsequent sunken break possible which JD sunkened too late for otherwise he would've been much better off). Inherent imbalance my ass, just enjoy the game and try to grasp what's happening instead of blaming balance.
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I still don't get how anyone can use JD's game against Last as evidence that he isn't S-class. Let's not pretend like Flash never made some poor decisions and got into a bad position against mediocre players. What makes S-class players stand out is that even when they're in a bad position, they manage to crawl their way out of it and ultimately win the game whereas most other players would completely fall apart.
Also, what's the point of making meaningless statements like "if that was Flash or Light, Jaedong would've gotten destroyed"? There have also been occasions where Flash got into a bad/vulnerable position against lesser zergs but ended up winning anyway, yet you don't see people commenting about how if that was Jaedong instead, Flash would've been raped. Apart from being completely meaningless, those comments are really unfair to the players who managed to put themselves in an advantageous position against the likes of Flash and JD.
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On January 26 2011 10:03 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 07:39 lastmotion wrote:
just saw these games and i'd have to say that i squirmed when i watched game 4
how can a terran who cheesed twice in the same game, and both got blocked (proxy bunker rush, 1 base sunken break) not automatically lose the game? I guess that is the inherent imbalance in TvZ, teh dong played his ass off, major props 1 base sunken break is not cheese and he expanded behind it. Both were blocked but they did enough damage for the game to continue, JD's handling of the delayed bunker rush was particularly poor and put him behind despite eventually beating it off (only 2 marines died, making the subsequent sunken break possible which JD sunkened too late for otherwise he would've been much better off). Inherent imbalance my ass, just enjoy the game and try to grasp what's happening instead of blaming balance.
I would argue that 1 base sunken break is cheese, since meta-game involves grabbing earlier 2nd base as soon as possible these days. A 2 base sunken break like ayumi build is more safe than a 1 base sunken break and is still considered borderline cheesy, so you get my point
yes i agree JD blocked it poorly but T cheese like bunker rush does not leave T as devastated if failed as opposed to early game Z cheese like 4 pool or 2 base ling all-in, this is where I would argue the match-up is not balanced and is hardly "fair" to both sides.
And lets not forget the fact that after the sunken break failed, Z had been on 2 bases longer than T has been, with higher worker production capability, and yet this difference was not enough to stop T from entering mid-late game as a Z
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JD looking very, very good in the game against Bogus. That's very, very good to see 
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Jaedong played perfect in the game against Bogus- dropping stuff all over the place.
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Thanks I'm going to check that out now!
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