I'm really looking forward to this group. With an up-and-down Snow I think it's a pretty tough group to call, and hopefully this will result in some close games.
I'll just turn it off before I go to class, which is 3.5 hours after group 12 ends. Someone will have to tell an admin to set it to Group 12 because I wont be up to do it.
I'll just turn it off before I go to class, which is 3.5 hours after group 12 ends. Someone will have to tell an admin to set it to Group 12 because I wont be up to do it.
I'll just turn it off before I go to class, which is 3.5 hours after group 12 ends. Someone will have to tell an admin to set it to Group 12 because I wont be up to do it.
Thanks for posting that. I saw that in a PIP during one of the proleauges, and thought it was awsome. Is there a longer vesion of that though?
Anyway, I think its cool that three matchups tonight are frozen snow, clasic movie, and violet killer (which sounds a lot ike violent killer.) Predicting snow + killer.
On December 02 2010 17:23 integral wrote: You know, I thought this looked familiar, so I checked -- killer is doing the exact same build he did vs violet a month ago on the exact same map.
man and violet still isn't getting any armor upgrades. mass upgraded lings are gonna rape him again.
violet is so bad, I don't understand how he can just throw away his army like that. why the hell is he out in the middle of the map not doing anything?
i cant even imagine being the zerg in this game. after having played sc2 only i would cry every time i looked at my minerals, because of massive macro fails
On December 02 2010 17:33 tenacity wrote: i cant even imagine being the zerg in this game. after having played sc2 only i would cry every time i looked at my minerals, because of massive macro fails
It's not unusual for lategame zerg to float a bunch of minerals because zerg is so gas intensive. There's only so much larvae for lings.
On December 02 2010 17:38 integral wrote: KT must not have any zergs that can play ZvP worth shit, because violet's zvp is terribad now. that was an embarrassing game by pro standards...
KT doesn't have any zergs that can play anything worth shit atm... hope action breaks his slump
On December 02 2010 17:36 Elyvilon wrote: I just tuned in, and wow, Killer has a lot of lurkers and bases
How did Violet get so far behind?
having watched the game I kind of wonder anyways, 5 base P vs 4 base Z for quite some time, and yet he throws his army away again and again. Sigh, being a KT fan is hard nowadays.
man, violet could've just sunken-broke the hell out of that 3rd and 4th with reaver support right after he killed all those drones. all killer had was 3 sunkens, a spore, and a few scourge and lings around the map. why was he playing so passive and trying to harass for so long letting killer get to hive tech? zerg bases don't stay dead for long.
On December 02 2010 17:39 Spazer wrote: KT has action, hoejja, and roo. Action is slumping hardcore, hoejja is just bad, and roo is also bad.
Roo's a rookie. And hoejja is a baller in his own ways.
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Did you see roo's game vs great the other day? It was baaaaad. He had a pretty decent chance to get ahead, but apparently can't micro mutas to save his life. It was kinda disappointing. D:
On December 02 2010 17:39 Spazer wrote: KT has action, hoejja, and roo. Action is slumping hardcore, hoejja is just bad, and roo is also bad.
Roo's a rookie. And hoejja is a baller in his own ways.
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Did you see roo's game vs great the other day? It was baaaaad. He had a pretty decent chance to get ahead, but apparently can't micro mutas to save his life. It was kinda disappointing. D:
It wasn't that bad, and he wasn't really ahead in that game. It was also his first televized ZvZ.
1. Killer performs well in MSL 2. OZ fans hail him as little Jaedong 3. Killer gets sent out for ace matches 4. Killer gets roflstomped by Hyun and Roro 5. omg killer so noob
On December 02 2010 17:48 doothegee wrote: 1. Killer performs well in MSL 2. OZ fans hail him as little Jaedong 3. Killer gets sent out for ace matches 4. Killer gets roflstomped by Hyun and Roro 5. omg killer so noob
am i doing this right?
I'd kinda argue that when Killer wins, it usually looks really good, and when he loses, he does so in the most miserable way possible. I've never called him little JD, though.
lagging for me, and it looks like 1.plu isn't casting this either so i cant get a backup stream anyone got a source for this? i can restream if you have one
On December 02 2010 18:16 Kiante wrote: i asked on kpopflash and they basically said they were pissed at TL admins not giving them respect, aka: no, so, unless craton comes back online or roffles aparates we're pretty screwed
On December 02 2010 18:16 Kiante wrote: i asked on kpopflash and they basically said they were pissed at TL admins not giving them respect, aka: no, so, unless craton comes back online or roffles aparates we're pretty screwed
I'm so bored right now.. i'd even gobble up some of that juicy DRAMAH your dangling in front of me.
On December 02 2010 18:16 Kiante wrote: i asked on kpopflash and they basically said they were pissed at TL admins not giving them respect, aka: no, so, unless craton comes back online or roffles aparates we're pretty screwed
Scourge are out and the sair legs it out of there. Three sairs huddling up
Scourge fly over the nat to check things out. 4 sairs are on the move towards 1 o clock DT out for snow and is heading in the same direction as the siars
Sairs hitting overlords at the nat, DT scores three drone kills as well as some zerglings. Overlords popping in time to stop the DTs from entering.
Two HTs fresh out of the gate sitting in the nat
DTs moving towards 1 o clock, they sit there and wait for their next order
Killer currently on 4 bases 2 DTs and an archon standing outside 2 o clock, zealots come to join them.
Snow warping in more gates. Sairs fly over Killer's nat and score an overlord. Killer has a large force of zerglings and hydras. Snow warps in another cannon at his nat.
Snow's army retreats as Killer's army is just too big. Shuttle out for Snow, drops a DT
Sees a queen's nest
Trying to snipe the spire but Killer's units arrive to remove the DT
Snow amassing a large force for ground units, plague over sairs, storms going off over hydras, Killer retreating to his sunkens, DRONES PULLED STORM OVER THE DRONES OMG
Shuttle on the move again, hydras and lings keep coming, snow may just run out of storms soon. Scourge his shuttle, but not before they drop 4 zeals into the main, they target the pool, zerglings arrive, the pool survives.
Snow expanding to 9 o'clock Snow's army is heading towards the center of the map, killer sends a group of lings to attack 6.5 swarm goes off and lings/lurkers attack the expo, HTs storm everything but it's not enough.
archons vs zerglings outside 9, zerglings are of course no match
Snow's army once again moving towards 1 o clock, too much defense there though and snow backs away
Zerglings running all over the map, eventually running into the protoss ball, not many survive but killer's going to make more.
Snow preparing to expand to 6 o'clock
Snow tries the nat, plague over his units, storm goes off but Snow is unable to break
Killer just keeps making units. Killer is expanding to 12 now. Swarm over 9, zerglings run in and tear down all the cannons. Probes pulled. Zealots arrive in time to stem any further damage.
Snow's army once again trying to attack at 1 o clock, stopped cold by lurkers. Snow expanding to 10 o'clock
Killer massing up a nice army of hydras now. Snow is mined out from several bases.
Snow's army is looking quite small. Meanwhile a shuttle flies over to Killers 4th, reaver is dropped, scarab fired! Drones run! IT"S GOOD! Scores a few drones
HTs lagging behind protoss ball, zerglings trying to snow the HTs. Archons protecting the shuttle from scourge
Shuttle sniped at 1 by hydras. Killer has a massive army.
I'm sure both violet and snow and other protosses feel that this map and aztec are too big to use reavers in large numbers, but seriously this aggression into a choke full of lurkers/lings is retarded. take a base with your army supporting you until you have critical mass of reaver/archon and zerg can't break you either. This is armchair theorycrafting of course but it's pretty clear what wins in late-game pvz and what doesn't...
Finally snow tries to take 10, but he should have done that fifteen minutes ago. now it's just too late... ah I missed the other time he tried while I was typing out that long post
wow. WOOOOWWw. that was a crazy game. Snow basically had a huge army advantage for ages, but somehow, Killer defended each of his bases spectacularly.
Basically, the protoss death ball just couldn't break Killer's ridiculous macroing this game. Even with quite good harass, killer's macro was just never-ending. Waves and waves of zerg units. Just when you thought Snow's ball had fought off a huge wave of units, another one would come.
Killer's style is so annoying and so hard for Protoss to defeat; a slow and methodical starving to death. I have no clue what Snow could've done better, except maybe even more drops?
EDIT: Killer played for the late game advantage,skimping on units early on to get 3 evo chambers to to up 3-3-3 for his zerglings, hydras and lurkers. this also helped when he transitions to ultras.
I'm thinking that if snow had went for a timing push he could have taken killer out, killer almost fell to that push to the nat.
But well done Killer, hes been playing great this 2 ZvPs. Then again, ZvP is after all his best matchup, compared to his ZvT
On December 02 2010 18:56 vectorix108 wrote: damn it snow. you had this
Did we watch the same game?
Did you just tune in at the end or something?
No, but Killer was always at least 2 mining bases ahead. He only had to defend since Snow put everything into pressuring Killer to death. When Snow started to have a decent army and a chance to finish him, his main and nat were mined out. Killer had 4/5 mining bases that time while Snow had 1/2. So it's not surprising that Killer won.
i really thought killer was gonna lose as well, although he did have the base advantage, seemed killer's eco wasnt that great and snow's army was growing... guess killer prevented exps good enough edit: i guess upgrades worked as well as ppl here said, i think snow was still on 0-0-0 >.<
Killer broke his own game streak with his two wins and keeps on increasing his elo peak; talk about peaking at the right time, just when Oz is in the crapper
Edit: 2 more games to go in this group and only 20 minutes till the next group is supposed to start? Long-ass games.
On December 02 2010 19:05 Kaolla wrote: i really thought killer was gonna lose as well, although he did have the base advantage, seemed killer's eco wasnt that great and snow's army was growing... guess killer prevented exps good enough edit: i guess upgrades worked as well as ppl here said, i think snow was still on 0-0-0 >.<
Killer reacted extremely well to harass, only lost a handful of drones. He was only badly saturated after Snows first push with HTs that killed some misplaced drones, but after he repelled that attack and managed to force Snow to defend, he built enough drones to make it certain he wouldn't be able to fall behind in macro. Killers defense was just too good for Snow.
ebay almost finished at frozean's main, vulture sneaks into the main, one probe kill. reaver and obs tech in the making.
scv builds a Cc at 5.5 Reaver is finished and is loaded into the shuttle, both of Frozean's facts are getting their machine shops added. Turrets being erected. Violet warping in his nexus at 11.5 Ebay spots the shuttle.
Armory half way done, shuttle flies over the main, reaver dropped and scarab fired, gets maybe 1 scv and a marine?
Shuttle running into turrets, drops a zealot into the tanks. dragoons coming in, tank goes down. SCVs pulled and the dragoons back off. Shuttle still in the main with the reaver, dud scarab though.
Stargate warping in along with temp archive, we're going to see some arbiters soon.
Frozean re-making his turrets, he adds two more factories
Nexus warping in at 12, so is the arbiter tribunal.
Reaver unloaded and catches a lone goliath off guard. Violet adds more gateways and his stargate is flashing. Violet microing his shuttle and reaver hard, wraith comes out of nowhere and destroys the shuttle, but not before unloading the reaver. Dragoons blow the wraith out of the sky.
vultures on the move, they run into the protoss army, only one makes it out alive. Frozean taking 6 o clock, zealot drop from the shuttle, more zealots evade from the left. CC lifted, dragoons move in! CC is in the red, scvs scramble to repair. CC is saved as tanks arrive and seige up.
Arbiter out, violet taking 7, dropship on the move. heading towards 12, it's just sitting there idling now. 7 o clock has finished warping in.
vultures laying mines all around the map. Vultures trying to spot 7 only to find a boss reaver sitting on the ramp
Violet getting more gateways, he has two forges both which are spinning.
Arbiter and shuttle moving towards the nat/main, RECALL dragoons and zealots warp in near the ramp, dragoons hammering away at a factory, it goes down. Frozean's army arrives. Zealots are dead. Dragoons move deeper into the base trying to do more damage. Eventually it's cleaned up.
Violet actually has three forges, his core is spinning too Violet has taken 12.5 as an expo
Frozean has like 8 facts in his main. Terran ball seiges up on high ground defending his corner of the base Violet warping in gates at his 7o'clock base.
Arbiter on the move again, this time towards the terran ball, vessels chase it away, no emp shot. shuttle flies over terran ball, zealot bombs! MASSIVE STASIS
Protoss army moves in and wipes out a lot of terrran units!
tank drop at 7 o clock, all three forges spinning. Violet is going carrier tech. 4 stargates
Tanks dropped again at 7
emp over the arbiter, storms over the scvs at 6 o'clock. Protoss ball moving into 6, CC goes down this time, frozean's army arrives but that expo is gone, protoss units holding their ground at 6, none of which survive terran gun fire.
Frozean seiges his tanks at violet's 8 o clock base. Meanwhile Violet it attacking 3, seige tanks making short work of building at violet's 8 o clock. Carriers are warping in.
Shuttle arriving to drop zealot bombs. Storms over the clumped up tanks. Violet cleans up
that was some baller shuttle usage that game by violet. Some players are confusing how terrible they can be at one matchup and good at another -- yarnc comes to mind, actually.
That was really well played by Violet, really enjoyed watching his shuttle usage. Those drops on the tanks before his units moved in made a huge difference.
On December 02 2010 19:36 Hyde wrote: That was really well played by Violet, really enjoyed watching his shuttle usage. Those drops on the tanks before his units moved in made a huge difference.
I'll totally agree with this, even though I like Frozen. Well played.
On December 02 2010 19:42 Pit667 wrote: FrOzen wall in with 4 bases and waited for Violet to take rest of the map and walks up to his territory and destroy everything
He didn't wait, his army was destroyed rather often and his harass was unsuccesful. Not to take anything away from Violet, but FrOzen is not a moron.
On December 02 2010 19:42 Pit667 wrote: FrOzen wall in with 4 bases and waited for Violet to take rest of the map and walks up to his territory and destroy everything
He didn't wait, his army was destroyed rather often and his harass was unsuccesful. Not to take anything away from Violet, but FrOzen is not a moron.
Maybe Frozen isnt moron his drop usage wasnt bad, but imho he should play more agressive before takeing 3rd expo
and I missed a bit because my stream froze up, and I'm back, snow's shuttle up in violet's main, probes run, nothing eventuates...yet
Violet sending his own shuttle down south around to Snow's back expo. Speed is done, two zealots and a reaver drop, probes run away safely, zealots target the nexus.
Snow's army moving forward to violets, shield battery being made
Snow's reavers are dropped and take out goons, WOW Snow completely overpowering Violets nat.
GG as Snow completely moves into the nat and Violet has nothing there