EPT[MSL] Ro8 Day 1 - Page 54
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Creationism
China505 Posts
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10346 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On August 06 2010 05:59 Creationism wrote: I love how when Flash beat Zero in this manner, everyone said: "now if it were effort or jd..." And now they both get raped by almost the exact same style end game. Though sea and light got there differently, the game was basically decided on the acquisition of a single base. lol @ foresight. Funniest part is if Jaedong had played half as well in the late game as Zero had, he would have won. | ||
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Creationism
China505 Posts
On August 06 2010 06:57 hypercube wrote: Funniest part is if Jaedong had played half as well in the late game as Zero had, he would have won. He did play well up until a certain point. I think it was after he just devoured sea's first push with lurkers and he saw the 5-6 vultures moving out to the middle of the map. After that his rhythm of play completely changed and it seemed like he lost the control and feel for the game after that. But man, I cant say the same thing about effort, I think he played pretty well all game long, but the switch to guardian was.... | ||
bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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DMXD
United States4064 Posts
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Ursadon-n-Pals
United States928 Posts
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Draffut
United States128 Posts
On August 05 2010 21:17 L0thar wrote: Fun facts: Sea is 7:6 vs JD, Light is 4:1 vs Effort. But surely mech imba was the only reason terran players won today, right? Did mech build's not exist when the rest of those games were played? | ||
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luckybeni2
Germany1065 Posts
On August 06 2010 08:45 Draffut wrote: Did mech build's not exist when the rest of those games were played? At least for Sea vs JD their games go back pretty far and one of them(where Sea won with bio/vessel) was maybe the biggest game of tvz that was ever played. And light always beats every z no matter what he goes for(at least for the past maybe 8 month or so) | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
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Wings
United States999 Posts
Haven't you all realized yet? its the MAPS, NOT the RACES. Why else would there be such racial swings every few seasons? Why was there a time where the only moderately competent Terran was Flash, and he wasn't even doing very well at all? Mech is imba only when the MAP allows it. Get a map where more surrounds are possible, and terrans are screwed. Get a map with some damn good chokes, zergs are screwed. Haven't people noticed that the maps these days are heavy with chokes and ramps? Open ground maps are rare, but they're the maps that toss / zerg are strong at. in other news YEAH YUMMM BOOOO SUUNGG GOGOGO WIN THIS MSL User was warned for this post edit: edited out all the swearing, sorry guys. was just annoyed at all the imba talk and overreacted. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On August 06 2010 11:19 Wings wrote: This thread is hilarious. People forget Swarm Season & Protoss Dragons so freaking fast. After a long while, a few maps begin to favor terrans (but lol Dreamliner wtf never seen a more anti-terran map, if you spawn 6oclock insta-gg), and hate drops bigger than a nuke. Haven't you idiots all realized yet??? ITS THE MAPS NOT THE FUCKIN RACES. Why ELSE would there be such racial swings every few seasons?? Why was there a time where the only moderately competent Terran was Flash, and he wasn't even doing very well at all?? Mech is imba only when the MAP allows it. Get a map where more surrounds are possible, and terrans are fucked. Get a map with some damn good chokes, zergs are fucked. Haven't people noticed that the maps now are heavy with chokes and ramps? Open ground maps are rare, but they're the maps that toss / zerg are strong at. in other news FUCK YEAH YUMMM BOOOO SUUNGG GOGOGO WIN THIS MSL indeed a big attribute is the maps, though you could still convey your message with less patronising and swearing... | ||
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Draffut
United States128 Posts
On August 06 2010 11:19 Wings wrote: This thread is hilarious. People forget Swarm Season & Protoss Dragons so freaking fast. After a long while, a few maps begin to favor terrans (but lol Dreamliner wtf never seen a more anti-terran map, if you spawn 6oclock insta-gg), and hate drops bigger than a nuke. Haven't you idiots all realized yet??? ITS THE MAPS NOT THE FUCKIN RACES. Why ELSE would there be such racial swings every few seasons?? Why was there a time where the only moderately competent Terran was Flash, and he wasn't even doing very well at all?? Mech is imba only when the MAP allows it. Get a map where more surrounds are possible, and terrans are fucked. Get a map with some damn good chokes, zergs are fucked. Haven't people noticed that the maps now are heavy with chokes and ramps? Open ground maps are rare, but they're the maps that toss / zerg are strong at. in other news FUCK YEAH YUMMM BOOOO SUUNGG GOGOGO WIN THIS MSL User was warned for this post The dragon's peak was almost 2 years ago, the entire race has been struggling severely for a good while now. Yes, Zerg have been powerful fairly recently, but Terran's natural advantage over them counteracted it somewhat. While Terran are riding high, the complete lack of any decent protoss presence to counter-balance it somewhat makes it just that much more severe regardless of maps. | ||
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5unrise
New Zealand646 Posts
On August 06 2010 01:22 dtnmang wrote: Can we please put a stop to Terran hating now? Jeez. Need I remind you that they play to win, not to play to appeal the audience, regardless of the result? At that stage, they HAVE TO win, and they HAVE TO do anything to achieve it. Now I don't give a shit about Swarm Season, I don't give a shit about the bio mech transition that is "tearing apart the fabric of Starcraft". It's just you Zerg sympathizers and Terran haters have problem with your attitude. People like you are so fucking used to see Zerg rampaging through leagues that you start to take it for granted. Now there's no Protoss for you to hydra bust, to 3-0, only Terran players who have already acknowledged themselves being the underdogs and more inexperienced, so they practise more vigorously in order to minimize the gap. Fucking face it: They're just trying to do their job, while you sit here, you watch the stream, you trashtalk in the channel and enjoy the luxury of not having to endure the freaking stress those players out there have to; yet you call their [best performance they COULD offer] "gay" and by the most derogatory terms possible. I see nobody "gay" but you people. And map imbalance? Give us a freaking break. This PR, that Odd-Eye, every map that could be used to describe a Zerg graveyard? When a Terran wins this way it takes a freaking long time, followed by persistent endurance and a string of correct decisions. We are not hating the player who plays to win, we are hating the race. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On August 06 2010 06:13 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Moreover, considering only one game has been played in each Bo5, you should all be ashamed of yourselves for raging over a couple of set 1's. Can we please wait till all the series actually conclude before you make horrible over-generalizations? In my opinion, if the Terran has absolute control over the late mechanic strategy, then the Zerg cannot win. If a Terran has really great command over this strategy, there is no way Zerg can win in an average map. Tell that to Sea.  | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
there was a rep in the leaked progamer replays, where Hoejja actually used many queens and beat flash turtling with mech in a 40++ min rep | ||
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j2choe
Canada243 Posts
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TriniMasta
United States1323 Posts
fantasy > Calm | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
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