EPT[MSL] Grand Final - Page 136
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
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Corrupt
Bulgaria1312 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:28 Wangsta wrote: A = (-1) * x, (where x is the square of other number in the comparison) B = -0.9 C = -2 A > B B > C C > A T_T | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
No fail there. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:28 Amnesia wrote: lol at the above two posts HATERS GONNA HATE ![[image loading]](http://i45.tinypic.com/j5yp6u.gif) | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9031 Posts
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
EDIT: The reason I say this is better in the long run for their rivalry is because I think future games will be much harder to predict. Up to this point, it's simply been a case of Flash playing standard which ended with a) Jaedong falling to Flash's incredible macro, or b) overcoming Flash's predictable style through superior builds designed specifically to exploit Flash's predictable style. But now, it's going to be much harder to predict how they'll play against each other. | ||
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:32 arew wrote: After this final I can totally agree with Artosis and his words about EffOrt. GJ FlaSh! Best terran of all time! ^_^ lol... | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:35 Garnet wrote: This is the last place I expect to see math arguments. I'd say the same....except it's happened before too =P | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On May 29 2010 18:49 Lebesgue wrote: People forget that last season Flash raped Jaedong hard in OSL before the MSL final. However, before MSL Jaedong had plenty of time and opportunity to study Flash's build. He was the better player that night but the difference was stark mainly in the build order advantege. This time Flash prepared a new bunch of strats and raped Jaedong again. I see, so when Jaedong wins it's because of build order advantage, when Flash wins it's because he's so much better and just "rapes" jaedong... right, that's great logic!!! what's funny is that out of those winners 2 finals were even Zerg vs Zerg. I gotta say looking at this makes me feel sorry for protoss On May 29 2010 19:32 arew wrote: After this final I can totally agree with Artosis and his words about EffOrt. GJ FlaSh! Best terran of all time! ^_^ Aha, so watching these finals made you realise that effort is a cheesy noob? Anyways, very disappointing finals, but it woulda been really horrible if flash lost both of the finals after the performance he's shown in the past few months. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:23 okum wrote: Consensus during OSL finals: 14CC is a terrible autoloss build and Flash is such a retard for sticking to it. Consensus during MSL finals: 14CC is a totally imba autowin build that ruins Starcraft. Both statements have some validity - it's an economic cheese, so it's autoloss to an early rush and produces a heavy advantage against standard play. It tends to shorten games, which frustrates a lot of fans. I love jockeying for build order advantages, so although I'm disappointed, it's hard to fault Flash; fast scouting --> fast CC, or fast nexus or fast double hatchery, isn't cheesy on a two-player map. Although waiting until after you scout to put up your first barracks/pool/gateway will probably cause your death against an all-in rush. (4pool, or proxy double rax/gateway.) I think Jaedong should've 4-pooled in the first two matches, out of disdain for the map pool and to dissuade Flash from econ-cheese... but countering with his own econ cheese (which he did in game two) would've also worked, had Jaedong played better. | ||
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Yomi-no-Kuni
Germany333 Posts
i could only follow the first match and then had to leave... | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:32 jonich0n wrote: lol it's funny how people still say terran is OP when zerg have won something like 6 out of the last 8 starleagues (6 out of 7 before this final) -_- Its just the fact when theres a good Terran player they can pull off some abusive builds that look very annoying to a spectator. Things like 12/14CC where standard play against it will put you way behind, bunker rushing with no economic disdvantage, bunker rush -> 1 vulture -> 1 wraith so it does get people frustrated. Its like ZvP in that respect. | ||
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5unrise
New Zealand646 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:32 jonich0n wrote: lol it's funny how people still say terran is OP when zerg have won something like 6 out of the last 8 starleagues (6 out of 7 before this final) -_- Terran is OP OP OP, nothing nobody says will change that  User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:38 Yomi-no-Kuni wrote: will there be any way to watch this somewhere? i could only follow the first match and then had to leave... http://www.soku.com/search_video/q_msl/orderby_2 http://www.clipnabber.com if the stream is slow, just download the videos first | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:38 Yomi-no-Kuni wrote: will there be any way to watch this somewhere? i could only follow the first match and then had to leave... It's already being uploaded on the Jon747 youtube account  | ||
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link18
Croatia65 Posts
Game one also pretty much retarded build, it almost never works when you skip mid game units. And game 3 was just painful to watch-JD throwing away 20+ hyrdras on 2 bunks.If you watch game 3 again you can notice that Jd even came close to killing that push when tanks sieged below natural. If he had those hydras he wasted he would have easily killed that push.Just abuse mech immobility and snipe tank or a couple of gols, and when tanks siege just move back.Repeat. I really dont know what was JD thinking.Overall just poor games by him. Of course props to Flash for making well executed builds, i really liked the build in the first game, fast vessel play. I want a PvZ finals again for once.That would be epic. | ||
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
maybe dont flame him that much or say that he "played way below his abilities" the next time he takes a risk again and it doesnt pay off. | ||
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
Glad that FlaSh won, he really deserved this. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:40 link18 wrote: Very dissapointed in JD decision making, going 12 hatch every game. Bad scourge micro and TERRIBLE decisions in game 2(should have went muta ling in Flash natural and turtle with sunks and lurks). Game one also pretty much retarded build, it almost never works when you skip mid game units. And game 3 was just painful to watch-JD throwing away 20+ hyrdras on 2 bunks.If you watch game 3 again you can notice that Jd even came close to killing that push when tanks sieged below natural. If he had those hydras he wasted he would have easily killed that push.Just abuse mech immobility and snipe tank or a couple of gols, and when tanks siege just move back.Repeat. I really dont know what was JD thinking.Overall just poor games by him. Of course props to Flash for making well executed builds, i really liked the build in the first game, fast vessel play. I want a PvZ finals again for once.That would be epic. I don't think Flash would have pushed out at that point had Jaedong not thrown away more hydras. | ||
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